Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

2cents said:
Confirms for me that he's not that bright. Definitely more of an activist than a thinker (nothing wrong with that btw).
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If the ''outrage'' was because he failed to talk about the antisemitic elements in the book I think they would have had a point(Although again its a bizarre standard to hold people to)but they lost it over Corbyn simply doing what many others have done before.

Who do these people think they are winning over ? Centrist/liberal people used to run not only the labour party but the country and now all they've got left is complaining on twitter.
 
Sweet Square said:
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sure.





Also bit of helpful advice for you.
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A bit of helpful advice for you actually. You might want to read that finkelstein piece on Churchill mate - he gets explicitly called out by him for being a racist. Run along now.
 
nickm said:
A bit of helpful advice for you actually. You might want to read that finkelstein piece on Churchill mate - he gets explicitly called out by him for being a racist. Run along now.
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I don't think you get the point the guy is making.

When Finkelstein talks about Churchill he's able to see both sides(Sort of) but when it comes to Corbyn praising a important work of literature suddenly Finkelstein judgement goes out the window.
 
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2cents said:
Honestly I read through Imperialism not all that long ago (maybe four years) and I don’t recall noticing the antisemitic elements to it at the time. Obviously reading the relevant excerpts today it seems I must have just missed them for whatever reason, but it does suggest to me that the antisemitic elements weren’t absolutely central to Hobson’s thesis.
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He basically charges Jewish men as being "the gravest single factor in the economics of imperialism."
 
Sweet Square said:
Er...I don't think you get the point the guy is making.

When Finkelstein talks about Churchill he's able to see both sides(Sort of) but when it comes to Corbyn praising a important historical book suddenly Finkelstein judgement goes out the window.
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But Corbyn doesn't make the same acknowledgement at all. He could easy have said, probably accurately, that Hobson's book was great but his anti-Semitism was a problem. Which is pretty much what Finkelstein said about Churchill. Finklestein isn't blind to Churchill's racism but Corbyn is blind to Hobson's. That's the point.
 
nickm said:
But Corbyn doesn't make the same acknowledgement at all. He could easy have said, probably accurately, that Hobson's book was great but his anti-Semitism was a problem. Which is pretty much what Finkelstein said about Churchill. Finklestein isn't blind to Churchill's racism but Corbyn is blind to Hobson's.
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Again the twitter example I used is to show how Finkelstein can quite easily drop seeing both sides of the argument shtick when he wants to.

Finkelstein in his article of course mentions the anti Semitic parts and the anti semitic views of the author but he doesn't mentioned anything about the book being important or great but problematic. And then the rest of the article is the usual right wing shite (talks about Corbyn views on Nato, not going to Trump planned dinner, Corbyn being a threat to this country)

Also that Churchill article, Finkelstein never mentions Churchill views on Jews and think its a ''outlandish idea'' that Churchill was a mass murderer(he was). So Finkelstein can't even meet the same standards he sets for Corbyn.


nickm said:
That's the point.
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Sweet Square said:
If the ''outrage'' was because he failed to talk about the antisemitic elements in the book I think they would have had a point(Although again its a bizarre standard to hold people to)but they lost it over Corbyn simply doing what many others have done before.
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Maybe. Separate columns separate purposes. You are trying to find gotcha moments of your own here.
 
nickm said:
Maybe. Separate columns separate purposes. You are trying to find gotcha moments of your own here.
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I've yet to find that article where Finkelstein talks about Churchill antisemitism.

All I'm doing is using Finkelstein and others standards that they are applying to Corbyn on themselves. Turns out they fail to meet these, mostly because it's a stupid standard to hold people to. Maybe just maybe someone who is paid by Rupert Murdoch doesn't care about consistency or being level headed.
 
Sweet Square said:
I've yet to find that article where Finkelstein talks about Churchill antisemitism.

All I'm doing is using Finkelstein and others standards that they are applying to Corbyn on themselves. Turns out they fail to meet these, mostly because it's a stupid standard to hold people to. Maybe just maybe someone who is paid by Rupert Murdoch doesn't care about consistency or being level headed.
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It’s not a stupid standard to want a noted anti racism campaignerTM to note the racism sitting at the centre of one of his fave books.
 
nickm said:
It’s not a stupid standard to want a noted anti racism campaignerTM to note the racism sitting at the centre of one of his fave books.
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:lol:

Did Corbyn set fire to a bag of dog shit on your front door ?
 
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nickm said:
He’s set fire to the labour party’s electoral chances for a decade or more leaving us all in shit, so in a way, yes.
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So Corbyns son has posted a picture of a kid killed in palestine saying it was by an israeli air strike and that the world needs to know about this...


tragic though that is there is one slight flaw in what he posted and that is that they were killed by a rocket that was mis-fired by his fathers "friends" Hamas

despite being told by literally hundreds of people about this he still keeps up the post...

meh like father like son i suppose.
 
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sun_tzu said:
So Corbyns son has posted a picture of a kid killed in palestine saying it was by an israeli air strike and that the world needs to know about this...


tragic though that is there is one slight flaw in what he posted and that is that they were killed by a rocket that was mis-fired by his fathers "friends" Hamas

despite being told by literally hundreds of people about this he still keeps up the post...

meh like father like son i suppose.
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Not that it makes a huge difference, but it seems that the rocket was fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, not Hamas. I'm not aware that Corbyn has ever praised PIJ.
 
So he wisely pulled the plug on negotiations. And if rumours are to be believed, he pushed for a public vote but the Tories said no.
 
He had to pull the plug, but the damage is well and truly done now.
 
The demonisation has definitely worked, although not helped by himself at all. I still find it mad that anyone thinks anyone else is a better choice though, which is what it comes down to.
 
sun_tzu said:
So Corbyns son has posted a picture of a kid killed in palestine saying it was by an israeli air strike and that the world needs to know about this...


tragic though that is there is one slight flaw in what he posted and that is that they were killed by a rocket that was mis-fired by his fathers "friends" Hamas

despite being told by literally hundreds of people about this he still keeps up the post...

meh like father like son i suppose.
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His son looks like Frodo. That is all.
 
VeevaVee said:
The demonisation has definitely worked, although not helped by himself at all. I still find it mad that anyone thinks anyone else is a better choice though, which is what it comes down to.
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You mean, you think it is mad that anyone else is a better choice than Jezza??
 
sun_tzu said:
It is certainly a minority opinion from @VeevaVee as not only is corbyn polling worse than farrage... hes worse than may and has been for over a year (with the exception of 1 month)
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That doesn't surprise me. A lot of people are ABJ now. Chavs hate him because of the anti-war stance. Tories hate him because he's not looking to help them even though they shouldn't need it. And now some of those in between are running riot with snippets of information.

In my opinion it comes down to:
Cuts and bleeding dry the only good thing the country has left, while those who don't need it become better off.
Racism/nationalism, which is dumb, especially seeing as their leader has rinsed the public.
Or a guy who hasn't helped himself with regards to his actions but with little substance or proof behind the main negatives, and has been weak when it comes to Brexit but still somehow better than the others.

I know which I prefer out of the lot and who I think will be best for the people.
 
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Rumours doing the rounds on twitter that after labour shit the bed in the eu elections there's going to be....................another leadership contest
 
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VeevaVee said:
That doesn't surprise me. A lot of people are ABJ now. Chavs hate him because of the anti-war stance. Tories hate him because he's not looking to help them even though they shouldn't need it. And now some of those in between are running riot with snippets of information.

In my opinion it comes down to:
Cuts and bleeding dry the only good thing the country has left, while those who don't need it become better off.
Racism/nationalism, which is dumb, especially seeing as their leader has rinsed the public.
Or a guy who hasn't helped himself with regards to his actions but with little substance or proof behind the main negatives, and has been weak when it comes to Brexit but still somehow better than the others.

I know which I prefer out of the lot and who I think will be best for the people.
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Did you, as a Labour Party supporter and advocate for Corbyn, seriously just label a load of people chavs?
 
VeevaVee said:
That doesn't surprise me. A lot of people are ABJ now. Chavs hate him because of the anti-war stance. Tories hate him because he's not looking to help them even though they shouldn't need it. And now some of those in between are running riot with snippets of information.

In my opinion it comes down to:
Cuts and bleeding dry the only good thing the country has left, while those who don't need it become better off.
Racism/nationalism, which is dumb, especially seeing as their leader has rinsed the public.
Or a guy who hasn't helped himself with regards to his actions but with little substance or proof behind the main negatives, and has been weak when it comes to Brexit but still somehow better than the others.

I know which I prefer out of the lot and who I think will be best for the people.
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Doesn't really matter what these fine intentions are, if Corbyn is so bad people refuse to vote Labour while he is leader. What matters most is getting into power in the first place. Something Labour need to remember pretty quick.
 
Sweet Square said:
Rumours doing the rounds on twitter that after labour shit the bed in the eu elections there's going to be....................another leadership contest
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Very doubtful. Corbyn's position in the party is the weakest its been since he took over and its something he's managed through his own actions on Brexit. A leadership contest would be a get out clause for him. At this point if you want Corbyn out, its pretty obvious you let him carry on doing what he's doing.
 
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