Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

sun_tzu said:
In fairness its Burgen and he is seriously incompetent

It does not excuse it of course but I'm not sure he understands anything he says
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In fairness zionism is an enemy of peace because it requires the violent displacement of people
 
esmufc07 said:
Not true.
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Zionism requires/d the displacement of people. Unless you live in a fantasy universe in which every single one of those people willingly moved/ could be paid off/have their land purchased etc, then that displacement will have to be coerced. This is done through force.
 
esmufc07 said:
Not true.
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Can only assume that level of response reflects the level of thought put into it.

The argument that the Zionist project could ever have been implemented without disruption to the peace is in the same ballpark as Mogg and Boris claiming Brexit would be easy. The British very quickly realised that within a decade of announcing its intent.

I'd agree Burgen is an idiot who shouldn't discuss these matters though. We all have to pretend that party of British history doesn't exist especially politicians.

This forum would never side with zionism in the manner it happened if done now.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Not a helpful or constructive comment.
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Firstly. I am not anti-semitic.
But I have serious problems with the current Right wing government and what it is doing. They have forgotten their own history of Jewish persecution.
By their acts they are promoting even more acts of terrorism around the globe.
Innocent people are paying the price with their lives.
 
Red Dreams said:
Firstly. I am not anti-semitic.
But I have serious problems with the current Right wing government and what it is doing. They have forgotten their own history of Jewish persecution.
By their acts they are promoting even more acts of terrorism around the globe.
Innocent people are paying the price with their lives.
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It always ends well when things start out like that.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Not a helpful or constructive comment.
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It's the sort of comment we need to be careful about making, because a lot of anti-semites will use harsh criticism of Israel to mask their own anti-semitism, but there have been plenty of instances where the Israeli government have utilised fascist rhetoric. The tweet below, for example, is like something straight out of a fascist handbook:

 
nickm said:
I support Israel’s right to exist. Do you?

Let’s not forget why Israel was felt to be necessary.
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As it stands of course, it's original formation? Probably not, I'm not religious and so I'm not persuaded around claiming religious land. I don't think many liberals would if criticising zionism didn't have a backlash.

From the British side it was deemed neccesary due to needing a sphere of influence in the region. It was only a good bit later that it became more about fleeing the persecution across Europe and the British limited such immigration while it remained under our control. We actually turned boats back.

If there was a push now for another group of people who wanted to claim an area anywhere for themselves due to religious reasons and it required displacement of peoples there wouldn't be a single vote at the UN supporting it and no one would pretend it could be peaceful. So your question of supporting Israel's right to exist now is a completely different matter to the point i was trying to make, prehaps badly
 
Smores said:
As it stands of course, it's original formation? Probably not, I'm not religious and so I'm not persuaded around claiming religious land. I don't think many liberals would if criticising zionism didn't have a backlash.

From the British side it was deemed neccesary due to needing a sphere of influence in the region. It was only a good bit later that it became more about fleeing the persecution across Europe and the British limited such immigration while it remained under our control. We actually turned boats back.

If there was a push now for another group of people who wanted to claim an area anywhere for themselves due to religious reasons and it required displacement of peoples there wouldn't be a single vote at the UN supporting it and no one would pretend it could be peaceful. So your question of supporting Israel's right to exist now is a completely different matter to the point i was trying to make, prehaps badly
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My knowledge on the subject is limited, but according to it, it was the other way around: Religious motives only played a minor part in the formation of modern Zionism (Herzl was a decidedly secular Jew, for example), and their upsurge in mainstream politics is a later development. Afaik, modern Zionism was in essence about the political emancipation of the Jews through a national movement, which was seen as the only solution to escape the antisemitism that didn't disappear in the developing modern societies (as it was hoped for), but simply modernized along with them. Actual religious Zionism - while always having been a minority branch inside the spectrum - developed into a major political player much later, well after the foundation of Israel.

That's just based on what I came to know, and it may well be missing something. Corrections are appreciated. In general, I think this is one of the subjects on here that suffers the most from a lack of actually informed knowledge (as I said, myself included), with the gaps getting filled up in all kinds of ways.
 
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(For anyone wondering...https://www.timesofisrael.com/enjoy-your-bread-uk-labour-in-passover-faux-pas/)
 
feck me the ott response to the passover message makes our football forum look calm and considered. Anything to keep Teresa May in power I suppose.
 
It’s hard to tell whether some of these rich right wingers grossly misinterpreting tax rates are full on sociopaths willfully trying to con the public, or just idiots with so many dodgy lawyers and accountants they haven’t so much as looked at a tax return in several decades...

 
Mockney said:
It’s hard to tell whether some of these rich right wingers grossly misinterpreting tax rates are full on sociopaths willfully trying to con the public, or just idiots with so many dodgy lawyers and accountants they haven’t so much as looked at a tax return in several decades...

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Slightly off-topic but Bernie was asked, in full seriousness, by a Harvard student:

"Your free college plan is popular. But it is based on taxes. Once we graduate, if we get good jobs, won't we be paying taxes?"
 
I reckon if you just rebranded certain high end taxes as “Elite Executive Membership fee” or “Platinum band Fellowship dues” a lot of really rich idiots wouldn’t notice them.
 
Labour takes clear lead across 10 Westminster polls

The Labour Party has put clear water between itself and rival parties, taking a lead in 10 Westminster polls.

According to the latest voting intention Jeremy Corbyn’s party has an average lead of five percentage points over Theresa May’s Conservatives.

The latest polls, conducted by ComRes, ORB and YouGov, give Labour a +10, +3 and a +1 lead respectively.


Other polling houses put Labour up by as much as nine points, with Hanbury giving them 40 per cent of the vote if Britain were to go to the polls tomorrow.

Other polling houses put Labour up by as much as nine points, with Hanbury giving them 40 per cent of the vote if Britain were to go to the polls tomorrow.
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Mockney said:
It’s hard to tell whether some of these rich right wingers grossly misinterpreting tax rates are full on sociopaths willfully trying to con the public, or just idiots with so many dodgy lawyers and accountants they haven’t so much as looked at a tax return in several decades...

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Sometimes I have to remind myself that the UK still has nobility. The Black Death got rid of almost all of ours, and we never got around to making any more. Lord Sugar must be the prime argument against the idea of the superior nobility.
 
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