It should have happened 18 months ago, but we need Mandelson out of this party as soon as it is possible to do so. Make as big a deal about it as possible too and send a message to all these yesterday's men and women.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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What I've come to realise about JK, rather sadly, is that she is the epitome of everything wrong with white liberalism.
She says a lot of nice things, but I think she does so in order to wear the cape of being an ally & continue to get attention, rather than trying to break the status quo.
I came to this conclusion when the 'I didn't say Hermione is white' issue died down, and her actions surrounding Corbyn only highlights it more.
Very much so. Her silence on Corbyn is deafening.
LOl! It's like some people in this thread can't understand they're some people who's political views would be considered centrist but they're still labour supporters.
There's nothing wrong with being "not a Corbyn fan".
The faster all sides accept this, the faster we move on and forming an effective opposition.
I still don't understand the word "Blairite". Does Jk Rowling support Tony Blair?
There's nothing wrong with being "not a Corbyn fan".
The faster all sides accept this, the faster we move on and forming an effective opposition.
I still don't understand the word "Blairite". Does Jk Rowling support Tony Blair?
For someone who has been working to undermine Corbyn every day (his words) and is now calling on 'moderates' to support May, the Labour party is the last place he should be calling home. He offers nothing of any worth to anyone bar the Tories and 'lesser' people have been booted out over the last 2 years for considerably less.
This isn't that at all though. Plenty in here are Labour supporters who dislike Corbyn but have the hubris to state he ran a good campaign and they were wrong about him.
Of course there's nothing wrong with not liking Corbyn but she spent much more effort campaigning against him than she did for Labour in any capacity. Her silence speaks volumes. She's the female Geldof, has a heightened sense of her sense and loves jumping on a populsr cause.
Don't really know about JK, don't pay much attention to her.
I was just voicing my opinions against those that act like a lack of enthusiasm about Corbyn somhow equates to being less of a labour supporter.
A very basic explanation http://www.edmundgriffiths.com/modlab.html but there is a ton of stuff on the political ideology of Blairism/Centrism.
JK Rowling won't be freezing from winter fuel cuts,She won't be visiting food banks .She won't be on a zero hour contract not knowing if she as work from one day to the next .So who cares what she thinks
such a shame
I don't get the left of the party wanting to get rid centrists/right. The party needs to unify and make use of it's most talented people. Many of those happen to be to the centre/right/Blairites.
What does Mandelson offer anybody on the left at this point? He's actively tried to undermine the leader and his efforts have resulted in Corbyn being in the most stable position as leader he's ever been and Mandelson scrambling to tell the 'centrists' they should be backing Theresa May. He not only missed the Corbyn surge he did everything in his power to stop it.
Same goes for anyone wanting to bring Yvette Cooper in. Despite the best efforts of her minions and her tango dancing husband, she's still the same person who co-created those oh so beloved work capability assessments.
It's not about 'the left' it's about the best for the Labour Party, which is getting the most skilled people to work. Corbyn needs a much stronger shadow cabinet and a much stronger media team. If Corbyn could get Mandelson to rally behind him, he'd be a major asset. Same with Cooper, rather than the cabinet of jokers he already possesses.
Not winning elections offers absolutely nothing to the left
Successful democratic politics is always about unifying. Even if Corbyn won an election he'd get nothing done in government with the majority of the PLP against him.
Hey it could be worse some people are Tories.So I'm a bit of a Blairite.
I agree with some of that stuff.
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Personally i hope Corbyn fecks the PLP off. But unfortunately he is not as vindictive as i am.
The Labour party really needs to get over all this Corbynite vs Blairite crap if it ever wants to win an election. I'm sure there's just as broad a politcal spectrum within the Tories but they seem to be much better able to position themselves as one party, despite this. Making a big song and dance about splitting your political party into two opposing camps is a terrible way to try and get the whole country behind you.
Corbyn has always made it clear the door is open to them. If they put their petulances aside and agree to support their leader who's now quashed this nonsense of allegedly being unelectable, then there's no problem. Balls in their court.
Otherwise they can join Simon Danczuk in the career graveyard.
Calling people from the same party petulant and accusing them of talking nonsense is exactly the sort of silly bickering I'm on about. And it's all over social media. Makes everyone involved seem petty and divisive. In a way it reinforces the doubts before the election about whether Corbyn could be the unifying force needed to get Labour into power.
When you have MPs saying that Corbyn should be replaced even if he wins the general election is exactly the sort of petulance im talking about. Labour should be celebrated for being the broad church it is, but all that counts for nothing when you have a stubborn faction of the party constantly undermining the leader. Corbyn has been nothing but diplomatic despite the treatment he's been getting from within his own party members.
True. The centre-ground of the party largely treated Corbyn like crap when he got in and never particularly gave him a chance, and Corbyn's performance has largely proven them (and many of us) wrong, but I'd say he should be the bigger man on this one and try to unite everyone around him; so far, to his credit, he's been doing that, welcoming figures who resigned etc back into the shadow cabinet.
For as much as guys like Campbell, Mandelson etc may be snakes, they've had their uses in the past and I'd say it's much better for Corbyn to have them on his side than against him. They don't even necessarily need to be in incredibly prominent, senior roles as such, but if they're willing to play a part then they can be included and could be useful. Hell, if nothing else, Corbyn can rip the piss out of the Tories by claiming he's a unifying figure of strong and stable government, someone who's able to unite his party and put differences aside, while they are the coalition of chaos; welcoming in a corrosive influence such as the DUP to government, and shafting the country over to suit the whims of their party more than once.
Plus, Attlee was known as a consensus compromise-type politician, someone who could work with all wings of the party, and he's the best Labour PM (and perhaps the best PM) the country's ever had.
Yeah, it does seem as though Corbyn himself seems willing to crack on without getting hung up on settling scores. Hopefully his acolytes will take the hint and follow his lead.
Is that your 8 year old posting as you again?
Dobs hat to one perfect post
It's really got fantastic PR potential. Instead of the stubborn, arrogant, self-righteous May, who is indecisive and runs from conflict, there's the alternative of Corbyn; someone willing to forgive people who've turned against him in his party for the good of the country, promoting unity etc. Someone like that comes across as much, much better for leading EU negotiations than May, who's credibility is now non-existent.
Doffs. It's doffs hat. Not "dobs". My 8 year old didn't post this but could have.
Carry on with insults. Not quite as good as telling me to "get over my mums death" but up there with the other brain donors.
Yeah I'm not sure people know(I don't them blame as it can be rather boring)how disruptive the PLP have been, thats without going into how shit the members have been treated.
You so now man. How do you do it?
Corbyn has always left the door open for. the Blarites.
Lest we forget it was they who bent over backwards stabbing Corbyn's back. Being more of an 'enemy' than even the Torries.
Lets not rewrite history so quickly.
Lest we forget it was they who bent over backwards stabbing Corbyn's back. Being more of an 'enemy' than even the Torries.
Lets not rewrite history so quickly.
I do just mentioned and agree with what @Ubik has said before that there aren't actually that many Blarites in the Labour Party.
Agree with all of this. Get Alastair Campbell on board as the master of spin. Let him take on the hostile Murdoch press. Mandelson as well. Get all the centrist Blairites on board, David Miliband as well. Corbyn can then say that he's unified and brought together the different wings of Labour, whilst the Tories are marred by infighting with another leadership contest coming up most likely.
Labour needs to work together before the next election which most likely will be next year.
No, he's a Brownite.
Brownite: one who talks shite
FT says Miliband, Cooper and Umunna are joining the shadow cabinet. 
FT says Miliband, Cooper and Umunna are joining the shadow cabinet.
Fair play. I really don't like Umunna though, was hoping Clive Lewis would be back in too.
FT says Miliband, Cooper and Umunna are joining the shadow cabinet.
Wise i think, if only because of the lack of talent and media presence of those amongst the existing SC.
I'm still nervous that some will try to oust him at any moment, if they do it'll be the end of Labour for a while.