In all the excitement I missed out on the fun of the latest flavour of the month to be talked about as a potential leader, it's only Kinnock's weird sequel!
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Doubt it, it's far too late for a new leader to step in and this is basically his last stand before he gets ousted. It wouldn't make a difference anyway.
Who would step in and be a better leader? The choices in the last leadership election were dire. I think Sadiq Khan might be the best choice for the next general election after this
There's just no way Corbyn will give up the leadership. He has the vocal support of the Labour party members. He being unelectable in general elections does not negate the fact that he's extremely popular within the Labour party. There is a lack of alternative candidate as well. I don't think he will step down no matter how Labour performs this election.
There is only one candidate for leader of the post-Corbyn Labour. He's back in the media spotlight, he says what is on his mind, never holds back, gets the backing of his closest allies and is battle hardened. He's not afraid to be ruthless when he feels it necessary, has an army of campaigners who have already got logos designed, flags sewn, social media pages aplenty and all in all the timing is absolutely too perfect for the PLP to turn down.
Marine A for Labour leader.
Who could be a better leader...
Ffs anybody except abbot, McDonnell or burgon.
Clive Lewis, kier starmer, rebecca long bailley and Dan jarvis are the favourites I think that any would have more appeal to the general electorate
I don't understand how anyone can support that stance.
I also don't expect him to step down.
And is he really that popular with the Labour party?
The momentum element
I could actually see him heading up a momentum party after the complete pasting he is about to get in the ge
Doesn't the buck stop with him? And what exactly will his staying on achieve if it is clear that whatever policies he has, there is very little likelihood they will ever be implemented?
They are priming top talent John McConnell to take over.
Dianne abbot to chancellor as she clearly has such a capacity for understanding how much policies cost to implement
The Labour manifesto should be out soon. I'm old enough to remember Michael Foot's 'longest suicide note in history'. I wonder what this one will be called?
Probably won't, but might help Corbyn keep control after he looses?
Corbinski's five-year plan for the development of the national economy in the United Kingdom
Well, he was elected twice on a Labour party vote, so I guess so.
Whereas the Conservatives will just send out a post it note with Strong and Stable on it for fear of the public realising their manifesto isn't in public interest. But that's a perfectly good tactic when Rothmere, Desmond and the Barclays are more than happy to get the propaganda wheels in motion and convince the Turkeys to vote for their Christmas.
Depends on who you consider to be in the Labour Party family. Among people who vote Labour, he's pretty unpopular. Among Labour members he's popular, but only those who joined in the last 18 months. In the last leadership election pre-2015 members voted overwhelmingly against him. So its not quite so clear cut.
From their perspective....
He barely got enough MP nominations originally.
They voted him out in a vote of no confidence.
He wouldn't have got enough MP nominations the second time around, but it was decided he didn't need to be re-nominated.
And he's now made Labour so unpopular that most of the MPs are going to lose their jobs.
May as well play for 2023 at this point.
Labour will need someone who can articulate a post-EU immigration policy, which has proven rather difficult up to this point. The party can promote a more open system that the Government is likely to introduce, while still offering voters more they have at present. The obsession with FoM is total red herring in my view. It could even be tailored as part of future trade policy, with lower barriers to movement with the US being a stated objective. Such finesse has been often lacking with the Corbyn regime in general.
A jobs and regeneration policy for...let's say Grimsby as an example, wouldn't go amiss either. Pledging to raise the minimum wage is all fine and dandy as a message, but not overly meaningful to a deprived area with scant decent employment to begin with.
He'll get my vote in the next leadership election.
I get your point, but I consider the Labour party to be the party members. Who supported him and probably still do. The fact that voters don't agree is the whole problem.
True, but the tories and their press will also be waiting for the Labour manifesto like kids waiting for their Christmas.
Of course they will and they won't be telling the public how it could be beneficial to them, they'll be ripping it to pieces and creating a ridiculing narrative. Our press is owned by a select few with their own interests at heart and the public is for the most part too stupid to realise it. My own mother votes Conservative because her father did, she's also reads the Daily Mail and Daily Express to the ire of myself, my dad and my brothers. A while ago I read her out a selection of blind quotes from Cameron, May, Corbyn and Clegg and asked her to choose which she agrees with and to her shock she disagreed with Cameron and May the most and agreed with pretty much all of what Corbyn and Clegg had to say. I then got her to do the Policies not Personalities test and she came out strongest in favour of Labour, then Lib Dem and Green and Conservatives firmly in last place.
So finally, I asked her, now she has clarity with a more educated view which way she intended to vote.... Conservatives. It's how her dad voted, how shes voted for 40 years and there is just no way she could bring herself to vote for Corbyn.
I've given up trying to persuade her now and despair of her for it but that's just how she's been programmed. Despite reading those papers for the last 45/50 years, they've not managed to shape her view of the world and the people that live in it, she's a fairly liberal socialist at heart with a lot of compassion for the most dependant members of our society and shes been shaped like that by her upbringing and life experiences however despite this she's had political ideas superficially shaped by the whims of Desmond and Rothermere and their constant fear mongering and ridiculing of the party that has her best interests at heart and is aligned with her own belief system.
The sad thing is that she isn't an isolated case, she's just a member of a huge group of people who have had their opinions crafted by hateful ridiculing and have been carefully blinkered away from anything they they might react positively to.
Your mother sounds exactly like mine was Pex, and my sister too, and for the record I detest the British press just as much as you, if not more.
As it stands though, the press were just as much arseholes before Corbyn won the leadership as they are now, what's caused Labour's popularity to plummet is him and his supporters, not the press.
I might be wrong, and Corbyn et al could produce a fully-costed and workable manifesto, and if he does I might yet vote Labour again. We'll see.
*evil press* *turkeys voting for their Christmas* *voters are just too stupid*. Poor Corbyn; he is just misunderstood. If voters would only be as smart as you guys. Sadly these dummies are holding you back. 
I think it's quite mixed. Initially I felt a fair bit of sympathy for Corbyn - a lot of the centrists in the Labour party had it in for him from the start, and the media have often tried to portray him as some batshit socialist when he's probably more of a democratic socialist who really isn't that out there in regards to what he'd do economically etc.
But he's not done himself any favours. McDonnell as Shadow Chancellor. Diane Abbott in important positions at all. The weird thing with the train where he tried to pretend there were no empty seats when there was. Sending Abbott to an interview without her actually having any idea of the figures she was trying to defend. Shite like that just gives his opponents more and more ammo.
And while I have sympathy for him, and for some of his supporters, because I ultimately agree with a large part of their agenda and sympathise with their case, there comes a point when they need to look inwards and say that, yeah, for all the infighting, and for all the press bias...he's been a bit shit, has made some shit choices, and really hasn't been anywhere near as successful as he was supposed to be.
And while it may be shite for them to have to acknowledge failure, and to potentially have to concede power back to the centre-ground, they should also realise that the electorates problems are not tailored to what happens to the Labour party - yeah, it might be crap if other people are trying to oust you from power and undermine you, but it's ultimately inconsequential to the country as a whole. If Corbyn can't win, or can't prevent a massive, massive Tory majority...then why should I care what's happened within the party? All it ultimately means is a gigantic win for the Tories.
I just wanted to ensure this hilarity didn't get lost in the inevitable crowd of posts over the next few weeks.*evil press* *turkeys voting for their Christmas* *voters are just too stupid*. Poor Corbyn; he is just misunderstood. If voters would only be as smart as you guys. Sadly these dummies are holding you back.
Labour don't seem to have anyone. I mean it's not just leaders, their strategy all over is shite but a good leader would help.
Unless Blair comes back from the grave or the rejected Dave Milliband returns I think we'd better buckle down for a fair few years (with Tory rule).
Corbyn just comes across as senile at this point.
Unless Blair comes back from the grave or the rejected Dave Milliband returns I think we'd better buckle down for a fair few years (with Tory rule).
Corbyn just comes across as senile at this point.
I wonder if 'less electable than Ed' or the questioning of his role in rendition and torture would be what kills his leadership bid.
The Sun and Daily Mail wouldn't even entertain having a story/comment piece from a Labour MP in the first place would they?
Been a couple who have spewed shite for The Sun. I know Gloria de Piero wrote a piece asking people to join Labour to vote against Corbyn in the last leadership election, citing it's large readership base. Then within a couple of months was shocked and outraged that the same paper she rushed to, would print Kelvin MacKenzie's claims that it was inappropriate for Channel 4 News to allow a Muslim journalist to present coverage of the Nice truck attack. John Mann, Michael Dugher, Frank Field, Jess Phillips and Ian Austin have also appeared in the rag in the last 18 months or so.
Thanks. I don't read either for my own sanity. Guessing the pieces would be pro-Brexit/anti-Corbyn on the whole anyway? Which would suit the papers.
Oh yeah, they're all exclusively anti-Corbyn.
@PedroMendez
Do you not agree that there is serious misinformation among voters, and all of it in one political direction?
How do you think these impressions come about?
Do you not agree that there is serious misinformation among voters, and all of it in one political direction?
How do you think these impressions come about?
Is it all in one direction
Don't similar questions also show that people continually underestimate what % of total tax take comes from higher rate payers and that illusive top 1% of earners
Similarly don't people often underestimate the national deficit ... and the national debt
Many years of brainwashing. There was a program on TV a few years ago putting people straight on some of these figures. These people bizarrely said they wouldn't change their opinions, that it was the way they felt. Sometimes, I think there's no hop for this country.
What, specifically, is shite about Labour's strategy?
Which policies would you rule out as being shite?
Which policies that the Tories have pursued or promised are better?
I think if someone is emphatically elected leader by a democratic party (twice) we just have to accept that he is the rightful leader and get on with things. It seems we will have to agree to disagree on this.
Blair? feck off! Milliband? Similar.
Corbyn seems far from senile to me - definitely a lot less senile than some posters on here, tbh.
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Because people have different priorities and don’t really care about politics. The only UK newspaper that I frequently read is the guardian, but they struggle to publish a single article about British/European politics that isn’t biased as feck. It is not a one-way street. Especially in times of social media.
Corbyn got hard done by the media. But that’s only a part of the story. Why is the centrist wing of his own party hating him? Why don’t Labour voters like him? Just because the Sun writes nonsense? Come on. There are things that are not his fault. Labour just got crushed by the referendum result and are now in a very awkward position. They can’t stand up for any recognizable position. That is not Corbyn’s fault, but his incompetence to lead a major party (=> a party with different wings) amplified this. I admire that he doesn’t seem to care how bad many of his actions look. More politicians should follow suit and stand up for their ideals. Yet the problem is, that many of his decisions are just genuinely bad. He promotes weird people, makes ambiguous statements and can’t compromise at all. Yes, even after winning the leadership elections, he has to take into account, that a significant part of the party holds other views. He should have gone full out populist. That seems to be his only chance to win over voters. Occasionally he still gives these speeches, but on a national level he seems to freeze.
But that aside, much of his rhetoric and many of his ideas simply don’t resonate with voters. The working class isn’t necessarily progressive when it comes to societal issues and centrist voters might be put off by his economic policies. They are not put off, because they misunderstand his arguments, but because they disagree with them. Additionally - that’s something I can’t repeat often enough – the average voter doesn’t like high-minded ideologues. Especially not when they are patronizing and arrogant.
A very small %age of the population would get questions about Gordon Brown's performance as Chancellor right - like hugely reducing both the deficit and debt prior to the financial collapse.