I could turn that around. What do you know of Corbyn that you didn't get from the media?
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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No, the constant undermining of its leader is the cause. Look at the state of the cnuts botched attempts to get rid of him. That's who is to blame not JC.
Who are you guys kidding? Do you think the media is responsible for northerners abandoning labour in the droves. A leader is much more than the words that he speaks, how he handles himself, how he gets other to follow him, how he gets people to listen is also part of leadership. He's a poor one. Just look at his statement today. Not a single reference to brexit which was why the snap GE was called.
Labour may as well get rid now because he'll step down after the election anyway, least they'll have a fighting chance. I don't think there's that much faith in this government.
Others have said it is timed to be before the courts decide on what the punishment for Tory election fraud should be. They might well have decided that by-elections need to be called in all those constituencies. Anyway - Brexit is just one of the issues. JC is primarily concerned with a fair and just society. It's what drives him, so only natural for him to be enthusiastic about the chance to put his case regarding that.
Maybe after getting hammered in this election, Labour might arrive in the 21 century. Its problems go beyond Corbyn.
That is certainly true. However, its hard to name a problem he's not made worse.
Precisely. I'm hoping that the party can reach some sort of consensus after they get trounced in the election, but I doubt even that is possible.
Corbyn is a disaster. I didn’t know anything about him when he became leader of Labour and was fairly interested what he’d do. It turns out that he is just horrifically incompetent regardless of his ideas.
That said, the underlying issue is something different. We see that the labour party and almost all other European social democrats are divided between 3rd way centrists and left-leaning social democrats, who advocate the ideology of the 1950s-70s.
The 3rd way centrists struggle because their political leadership in the late 90s/early 00s didn’t bring the positive change for the working class, that their voters wanted. Many people think that they abandoned them and their interests. Yet more centrist people look at the idea that policies of the 50s-70s are the solution with shock and horror. The idea that labour is losing election because they lack ideological purity is misjudging reality. Socialism (in the way that someone like Corbyn promotes it) is simply not particularly appealing to most people. Even if these people are not rich. Most people don’t look at society through the lenses of ideology or class struggle, but want pragmatic and efficient solutions to their problems.
Labour needs to reinvent itself and come up with new ideas instead of recycling stuff of the past.
You assume I don't agree with a lot of the things he says or wants. That's not my issue here. i am saying, leadership of a party in this day and age demands someone with the right package of policies, guts, personality, pragmatism and charisma that will make sure his message is heard. Corbyn is found wanting in too many of these areas and that's why he can't command the respect of his party. His supporters labeling people who don't agree with his policies as Blairites do themselves a disservice. L
Surely that will be dead if JC steps down before then?
An indication he could cling on to power till at least October? His wing of the party are surely finished if he quits before helping push that change through - they can't get 15% of MP votes at the next leadership election.
McDonnell will be telling him to stay on regardless I'd bet, arguing that they haven't had enough time to make their changes. If the result is much worse than Miliband's then he'd have to be fairly shameless to cling on, but in the end it all comes down to what the members think. Recent polling suggested that a large majority would want him to stand down in the event of a GE loss, but I can also imagine them backing him again if there isn't a candidate nominated in his image. If he stays then there'll be a new party formed pretty quick with a lot of defections.
I expect CLPs to be debating who they want standing for them in the next few days. Could be very interesting.
How does that process work?
Is there any chance (read: risk) of Momentum parachuting candidates into a bunch of safe seats?
Was only really going to happen after the boundary changes came in, which won't be until after the election now. But, a fair few moderate MPs will likely not stand (Blenkinsop and Alan Johnson have announced so far, likely more to come), so the new selections should be a fair old fight.
The word moderate really is on its arse politically if it applies to Tom Blenkinsop and Alan Johnson
It means someone about in the middle of the national picture.
I think that's just Kate Hoey 
Tom Blenkinsop probably has 'the national picture' blocked on Twitter. The bloke is an absolute tit.
I think that's just Kate Hoey
Will she be gone? There's no way Labour can hold Vauxhall with her as MPHadn't thought of that, she's 71 so may not stand - silver linings! 12,000 vote majority, though.
Also just noticed from going on her wiki:
"For the Thai third gender, see Kathoey"
Did not expect to learn that today.
Yeah good majority but then it was 70% Remain in that constituency. I guess the fact the Lib Dems are so far back should actually keep it safe even if she is the candidate.
I've just moved into her constituency.
Am I better off voting there or Walthamstow? Both look like Labour safe seats. I'd happily vote for a Lib Dem over Hoey but not Creasy (Walthamstow MP). I imagine Labour will keep both though.
Am I better off voting there or Walthamstow? Both look like Labour safe seats. I'd happily vote for a Lib Dem over Hoey but not Creasy (Walthamstow MP). I imagine Labour will keep both though.
Creasy's got a majority of 23k so is def safe (she increased her vote share in 2015 by 17 points 
). If I was you I'd enjoy voting against Hoey quite a lot
As Untied said there's a massive Remain presence there, you never know.
). If I was you I'd enjoy voting against Hoey quite a lot As Untied said there's a massive Remain presence there, you never know.
If this is true. Wow. Corbyn with one last attempt to overhaul the party?
"Jeremy Corbyn To Oppose Automatic Reselection Of Labour MPs For General Election 2017, Sources Claim."
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58f638a7e4b0b9e9848ec795
"Jeremy Corbyn To Oppose Automatic Reselection Of Labour MPs For General Election 2017, Sources Claim."
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58f638a7e4b0b9e9848ec795
Oh please be true. If I've got to see the likes of Jess Phillips on TV for the next 7 weeks, the possibility that their heads may literally explode is worth it alone.
How in fecks name will this help the party win mere seats?
I think one of the replies has this spot on unfortunately:
A sense of we've lost the battle but we'll still fight the war.
I can think of another word instead of "overhaul" there.
If he hadn't missed all those sitters, we'd be ten points better off.
I think trigger ballots are ruled out if parliament is dissolved.
The mugs must still be in the dishwasher.
Very good on QT tonight
Any chance Corbyn falls on his sword before the general election... (mind you he would probably find a way to cock that up as well)
I don't think we only need a new leader we need new MP's. If this guy thinks this is a good message to put before the electorate the he needs to leave the party.
I can see that the infighting is killing the party but that is down to the PLP as much as it is down to leadership.