Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Ideally if the Labour Mayor could get in line and back the workers, that would grand.

I think thats a bit unfair as his position is always a conflicted one, as London Mayor he's representing Londoners first and i dont think many are in favour of the strikes. Especially not after today's chaotic fallout from it.
 
I think thats a bit unfair as his position is always a conflicted one, as London Mayor he's representing Londoners first and i dont think many are in favour of the strikes. Especially not after today's chaotic fallout from it.
Not to be too blunt but he is the LABOUR mayor of London, if Sadiq has always had this inner conflict of supporting workers than why join the Labour Party. This is a guy who's always happy to tell us(In fact you can never get him to shut up about it) that he's dad was the common old worker on the buses.

He's not even being balanced. He's completely gone against the workers on strike.

This is a very complex issue for Labour. On the one hand our history and links with the labour movement in the UK means that we're closely tied to the Unions in a largely positive way. Trouble is, it raises the concern that we'd be too close to the Unions if we ever get in power. Blair handled that particularly problem by having (intentionally or not) a rather cool relationship with the unions. However you get the impression that any union proposing a strike against a Corbyn led Labour Government would get the deal they wanted real quick.
Good.
 
First time he speaks up in months and its to be a pale imitation of the Tories. Sigh.
 
What do Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn have in Common?

Neither are too sure about what they want. Neither is able to communicate effectively and both have sizeable oppositions from within their own parties.

Those three things should get them a date on match.com
 
Salary cap is a bad idea, unworkable and unlikely to win him any votes.

Its an idea I can see becoming toxic real quick. If you ask people if there should be a salary cap of £1m per year, many will start out saying yes, thinking of bankers and corporate CEOs and the like.

When you then point out this means capping footballers pay at £20k per week, which would lead to pretty much every decent football leaving the UK to play abroad and the decimation of the Premier League, people will change their minds real quick.
 
The problem with the Labour Party in two tweets -

London Labour Mayor


Jeremy Corbyn's campaign manager


Ideally if the Labour Mayor could get in line and back the workers, that would grand.


Back THESE workers you mean, not all workers. Or do you think there should be no negotiation whatsoever? Sadiq should simply agree to whatever the TSSA ask for?
 
Its an idea I can see becoming toxic real quick. If you ask people if there should be a salary cap of £1m per year, many will start out saying yes, thinking of bankers and corporate CEOs and the like.

When you then point out this means capping footballers pay at £20k per week, which would lead to pretty much every decent football leaving the UK to play abroad and the decimation of the Premier League, people will change their minds real quick.

And all the banks and major institutions
 
Its an idea I can see becoming toxic real quick. If you ask people if there should be a salary cap of £1m per year, many will start out saying yes, thinking of bankers and corporate CEOs and the like.

When you then point out this means capping footballers pay at £20k per week, which would lead to pretty much every decent football leaving the UK to play abroad and the decimation of the Premier League, people will change their minds real quick.

I'm not saying it's a good idea but the footballer issue is easily solved by allowing them to pro rata their earnings over the length of a normal working career.
 


That last tweet is exactly why taxation on the wealthy is unpopular. People vote beyond their own circumstances but also on their aspirations.

Terrible media work this, they need to stop allowing premature policy statements and saying it's just something we're thinking about doesnt make it acceptable . Its the right direction but such unworkable policy is surely detrimental to the cause.
 
I'm not saying it's a good idea but the footballer issue is easily solved by allowing them to pro rata their earnings over the length of a normal working career.

Its a thought, but Im not sure the maths works out. Even if it were a a cap of a million a year, with players like Pogba earning £15M a year, after a 10 year career he'd be leaving with £140M of backpay owed to him, which would take 140 years to pay. Even if you consider a more modest (if that's the word) £5m a year salary, after a decade of earnings, a player would be owed 40 years worth of pay. Plus it assumes a) that the person never earns a penny after they retire and b) that the club will still be there, and still be solvent, in three or four decades time to keep paying them.
 
That last tweet is exactly why taxation on the wealthy is unpopular. People vote beyond their own circumstances but also on their aspirations.

Terrible media work this, they need to stop allowing premature policy statements and saying it's just something we're thinking about doesnt make it acceptable . Its the right direction but such unworkable policy is surely detrimental to the cause.
They do.

Thatcher, the lottery, the popularity of Delboy in Only Fools and Horses...
 
The only people these kind of things appeal to are, people who were already going to vote for him. Such nonsense isn't going to help him win an election.
 
Its a thought, but Im not sure the maths works out. Even if it were a a cap of a million a year, with players like Pogba earning £15M a year, after a 10 year career he'd be leaving with £140M of backpay owed to him, which would take 140 years to pay. Even if you consider a more modest (if that's the word) £5m a year salary, after a decade of earnings, a player would be owed 40 years worth of pay. Plus it assumes a) that the person never earns a penny after they retire and b) that the club will still be there, and still be solvent, in three or four decades time to keep paying them.

I think I explained myself badly. What I mean is that the revenue could put a "footballer's clause" in the legislation for people whose lifetime income is front-loaded. If Pogba earns £15m over a 10 year career, that would be a lifetime earnings of £150m. If the cap is set at, say, £5m/year, they could calculate his "real" annual salary as 150/40 = 3.75m/year, so he wouldn't exceed the annual cap during his playing career. Obviously, that would be complicated by whatever he does end up earning after he leaves football but they could take that into account in his tax returns over the course of his subsequent career.
 
Corbyn is the like a lunatic version of Bernie. If you put a cap on salaries, CEOs will get paid through stock options and a multitude of other ways which make it even easier to dodge taxes.
 
Corbyn is the like a lunatic version of Bernie. If you put a cap on salaries, CEOs will get paid through stock options and a multitude of other ways which make it even easier to dodge taxes.
Bernie is a very sensible politician. I don't recall anything this daft, coming from him.
 
He's thinking about the right problems, problems to which there are no easy answers. But he's looking for those answers in the wrong places. He needs to think about it much more creatively.

I think I said this before a few months ago but I read Paul Mason's book, a lot of people would consider him a loony leftie as well but at least he is trying to adapt left his socialist message to make it relevant in modern circumstances, taking things like modern technology info account.
 
He's thinking about the right problems, problems to which there are no easy answers. But he's looking for those answers in the wrong places. He needs to think about it much more creatively.

I think I said this before a few months ago but I read Paul Mason's book, a lot of people would consider him a loony leftie as well but at least he is trying to adapt left his socialist message to make it relevant in modern circumstances, taking things like modern technology info account.
Read that as Paul Merson, on first viewing. Was most confused.
 
I think I explained myself badly. What I mean is that the revenue could put a "footballer's clause" in the legislation for people whose lifetime income is front-loaded. If Pogba earns £15m over a 10 year career, that would be a lifetime earnings of £150m. If the cap is set at, say, £5m/year, they could calculate his "real" annual salary as 150/40 = 3.75m/year, so he wouldn't exceed the annual cap during his playing career. Obviously, that would be complicated by whatever he does end up earning after he leaves football but they could take that into account in his tax returns over the course of his subsequent career.

So in essence you'd have a working lifetime's maximum salary rather than an annual maximum salary? I guess the problem there is that most corporate CEOs and bankers and whatever others with telephone number salaries probably only earn for a short period too, so it wouldn't stop them earning those silly bonuses. Obviously you could have "right" and "wrong" careers that qualified for the footballer's clause, but we're heading deep into the moral minefield with that one.
 
as an American looking in from the outside, anytime I see any headline with something Corbyn has said, I can't help but thing "what an absolute idiot."

And I'm a Sanders supporter, so it's not like I have any conservative leanings.

A maximum wage cap ffs.
 
We complain about wage inequality and say 1% have more money than the 99% etc. Then why doesn't proposals like this get voted in because of populism? 99% don't care about wage cap as long as it is more than what they make. Even if a few people aspire to be a celebrity, majority of common people should get behind a wage cap.

After the election of the Donald, it seems a right idea to go for a populist angle.
 
We complain about wage inequality and say 1% have more money than the 99% etc. Then why doesn't proposals like this get voted in because of populism? 99% don't care about wage cap as long as it is more than what they make. Even if a few people aspire to be a celebrity, majority of common people should get behind a wage cap.

After the election of the Donald, it seems a right idea to go for a populist angle.
The majority of common people aspire to be wealthy. They dislike the fact they are already paying tax and the thought of having to pay more, should they 'make it' is not appealing.

EDIT - Maybe... I can't back any of that up.
 
Bernie is a very sensible politician. I don't recall anything this daft, coming from him.

Bernie has pushed for a maximum salary cap previously but he dropped it years ago. I only know as i checked to see if the Corbyn camp had stole it from him. Roosevelt also tried to enact one during war time but couldn't get it through.

Its certainly not a ridiculous principle which is why we've seen it discussed in other countries.

What it is, is a politically naive and idiotic proposal given the state the Labour party are currently in. The variation of average staff pay to CEO pay is much more sensible..........actually watching his press announcement live he's just explained it as this not a set cap.
 
The majority of common people aspire to be wealthy. They dislike the fact they are already paying tax and the thought of having to pay more, should they 'make it' is not appealing.

EDIT - Maybe... I can't back any of that up.

I think I've had someone complain to me before that them doing better for themselves shouldn't be 'punished'.

People are happy with progressive taxation until it affects them i guess.
 
I like Jeremy Corbyn. He's someone I would gladly have a drink with and chat about the world. We'd get on, I reckon. We agree on most things.

He's not made to be a leader of a major political party, though. He never really meant to be. He ran aiming to 'influence the debate' then when it became clear he might win he seriously considered stepping out (if reports are to be believed) before members of his team encouraged him to keep going. Which is pretty much what's happened since. The bloke feels lost in his job, is massively unsure if he should be doing it, but his associates keep telling him he has to carry on, for the good of the movement.

He's a typical indecisive leftie, like myself, and so if enough like minded people tell him what should be done he'll do his best to do it. Despite being aware he is unqualified.
 
Not to be too blunt but he is the LABOUR mayor of London, if Sadiq has always had this inner conflict of supporting workers than why join the Labour Party. This is a guy who's always happy to tell us(In fact you can never get him to shut up about it) that he's dad was the common old worker on the buses.

He's not even being balanced. He's completely gone against the workers on strike.

Good.

What about all the workers who aren't in unions, ie the vast majority, who want to get to work around their city, get reasonably priced tickets and can not? Should Labour represent their interests to, or not?

The general population got sick of the Labour-Unions collussion in the 70s and will not accept it to happen again.
 
They're approached the imbalance of wages in the wrong way. Creating a wealth drain and brain day is inheritently a bad idea.

Increase the minimum wage, remove taxatation for low paid or even middle income workers and increase the services they have access to and you'll mobilise them to vote for you. Increase higher end pay and increase stealth taxes for the rich if you must, ie mansion tax, increase BTL taxation, increase taxes on luxury items generally.

I think I explained myself badly. What I mean is that the revenue could put a "footballer's clause" in the legislation for people whose lifetime income is front-loaded. If Pogba earns £15m over a 10 year career, that would be a lifetime earnings of £150m. If the cap is set at, say, £5m/year, they could calculate his "real" annual salary as 150/40 = 3.75m/year, so he wouldn't exceed the annual cap during his playing career. Obviously, that would be complicated by whatever he does end up earning after he leaves football but they could take that into account in his tax returns over the course of his subsequent career.

It wouldn't work, firstly he wouldn't be able to get his hands on his money. Secondly is he not earning elsewhere after his football career?
 
That last tweet is exactly why taxation on the wealthy is unpopular. People vote beyond their own circumstances but also on their aspirations.

Terrible media work this, they need to stop allowing premature policy statements and saying it's just something we're thinking about doesnt make it acceptable . Its the right direction but such unworkable policy is surely detrimental to the cause.
I agree with you, simply framing it as a wage cap won't work. It has to be along on the lines of ''fixing a broken system'' or saying it's a ''fixed game where you can't win'' it's easier message for someone like Sanders, who has the idea of the American dream but it's slightly tricker here(Although I think there's a good anti capitalism message that could work but would scary people shitless sadly).

Anyway he seems to have back track on the idea and pissed off his base(I guess I was in that group) with his comments on freedom of movement. All in a days work.
What about all the workers who aren't in unions, ie the vast majority, who want to get to work around their city, get reasonably priced tickets and can not? Should Labour represent their interests to, or not?

The general population got sick of the Labour-Unions collussion in the 70s and will not accept it to happen again.
Um....
 
He's becoming more and more delusional as time goes on. Labour might as well not even exist.