Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

I didn't see anything wrong with that tweet when I first read it, and I still don't. Although I don't know what the third industrial revolution was considered to be.

It's a bit buzzwordy but technologically acceptable and it makes sense.
 
If it had ended at data it would have been passable.
The word salad following that is meaningless.
 
It sounds ridiculous him saying it now because it's not yet a household phrase but Corbyn saying "The internet of things" when we look back in 5 years would be like us laughing at Gordon Brown for highlighting how important "Social Media" will be.

There's currently about 6billion nodes connected that record the world in various ways. Some reckon there could be 30 billion nodes by 2025.

That's a huge amount of valuable data, we'd be very smart to invest in ways to mine it and find use of it.


I realise he's being laughed at for the word soup, just thought his point about IoT should be validated.
 
Pexbo said:
I realise he's being laughed at for the word soup, just thought his point about IoT should be validated.
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Well quite. I've got to attend a course on the 'Internet of things' in a week or two as part of my new job. Thanks to J Dawg for the heads up.

That tweet tho. Wordabix. :nervous:
 
Genuinely dont get whats wrong with that tweet at all. It all makes sense and i assume the context it was his CBI speech?

Are people just finding it funny because they don't understand the terms or what? :confused:
 
Smores said:
Genuinely dont get whats wrong with that tweet at all. It all makes sense and i assume the context it was his CBI speech?

Are people just finding it funny because they don't understand the terms or what? :confused:
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Please explain how the internet of things and big data will help develop cyber physical systems and smart factories?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Please explain how the internet of things and big data will help develop cyber physical systems and smart factories?
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Cyber physical systems is just another word for smart integrated systems, its what's oft referred to when you hear or see the topic of smart cities discussed. The IoT and big data is integral to that for quite obvious reasons as its part of the feedback loop of data.

Mistake here is putting that on twitter where the terms dont fit the audience rather than wherever it was used in the first place.

Here a quick Google and you have a McKinsey article on it using the same buzz speak

http://www.mckinsey.com/business-fu...net-of-things-and-the-future-of-manufacturing
 
Smores said:
Cyber physical systems is just another word for smart integrated systems, its what's oft referred to when you hear or see the topic of smart cities discussed. The IoT and big data is integral to that for quite obvious reasons as its part of the feedback loop of data.

Mistake here is putting that on twitter where the terms dont fit the audience rather than wherever it was used in the first place.
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It's a load of buzzwords cobbled together to make very little sense. Smart factories?! WTF? You can see what whoever wrote that is trying to do. Talking about factories and a new industrial revolution makes people think of jobs being created. Labour values an' all that. Surprised he didn't mention "smart coalmines". Crowbar in a few tech hot topics (even though some of them will do the opposite of creating jobs) and bob's your uncle. A completely meaningless bit of waffle to make grandad Corbyn seem both old school labour and down with the kids.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's a load of buzzwords cobbled together to make very little sense. Smart factories?! WTF? You can see what whoever wrote that is trying to do. Talking about factories and a new industrial revolution makes people think of jobs being created. Labour values an' all that. Surprised he didn't mention "smart coalmines". Crowbar in a few tech hot topics (even though some of them will do the opposite of creating jobs) and bob's your uncle. A completely meaningless bit of waffle to make grandad Corbyn seem both old school labour and down with the kids.
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Well agree to disagree but the language fits the topic as far as im concerned and he was speaking to business leaders so it even fit the audience.

All thats happend here is people have chirped in to laugh at someone for not having a clue when its themselves who are seemingly ignorrant.
 
We now face the task of creating a new Britain!

"Woo", "Go Corbyn!"

From the Fourth Industrial Revolution!

"Sure!" "Yay, woo!" "When was the third?" "Shut up and cheer, Woo!"

Powered by the internet of things and big data!

"Woo, he's one of us!" "Home automation!" "Big data I am personally less keen on but an happy for it in this context woo!"

"To develop cyber physical systems and smart factories!"

"Woo... wait, what?"
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's a load of buzzwords cobbled together to make very little sense. Smart factories?! WTF? You can see what whoever wrote that is trying to do. Talking about factories and a new industrial revolution makes people think of jobs being created. Labour values an' all that. Surprised he didn't mention "smart coalmines". Crowbar in a few tech hot topics (even though some of them will do the opposite of creating jobs) and bob's your uncle. A completely meaningless bit of waffle to make grandad Corbyn seem both old school labour and down with the kids.
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We need a Smarthur Scargill
 
Smores said:
Cyber physical systems is just another word for smart integrated systems, its what's oft referred to when you hear or see the topic of smart cities discussed. The IoT and big data is integral to that for quite obvious reasons as its part of the feedback loop of data.

Mistake here is putting that on twitter where the terms dont fit the audience rather than wherever it was used in the first place.

Here a quick Google and you have a McKinsey article on it using the same buzz speak

http://www.mckinsey.com/business-fu...net-of-things-and-the-future-of-manufacturing
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In manufacturing, the potential for cyber-physical systems to improve productivity in the production process and the supply chain is vast. Consider processes that govern themselves, where smart products can take corrective action to avoid damages and where individual parts are automatically replenished. Such technologies already exist and could drive what some German industry leaders call the fourth industrial revolution—following the steam engine, the conveyor belt, and the first phase of IT and automation technology.
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As the article says, this already exists. Everyone get's a tracking number where they can watch their goods move about in real time. Do we think that big companies that rely on components arriving at exactly the right time don't already do this?

Let's talk for a moment about making a car. Making a car is hard. You need thousands of thousands of parts, assembled in exactly the right order. Elon Musk talks about the time when his gigafactory (or what he had before it) slowed to a halt because they ran out of USB cables. The shipment of USB cables was stopped at customs (airfreight) because it was part of a shipment with goods that needed customs clearance. So they had to drive around the California area looking for USB cables, so they could fit these USB cables before finishing the rest of the car. A stupid problem to have, but a problem nonetheless.

Now this might be exactly the type of problem the "4th industrial revolution" will solve, maybe Teslas future systems will find out their is a problem with USB cables, and order them automatically from somewhere else. Great, but is that going to really replace just having a decent stock? Delays happen, and that's always going to be the case... Which brings us onto the next point;
Let’s take container logistics in maritime shipping, which might be considered almost Stone Age in view of what is to come. It will be a tremendous effort to bring container logistics into the next generation of manufacturing.
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Containerised transport isn't going anywhere. It is by far the cheapest and most efficient method of transport goods around the globe.
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You simply can't airfreight all of those goods. Air freighting works when for one or two large items, but it's much more expensive than containerised goods on a nice slow ship.

And when these goods are airfreight-ted or sent via containers they reach whatever port they are going to... and then have customs! More than any other reason, this is why containerization exists. Unlike when Elon Musk had his USB cables delayed, if they had been containerized, they shouldn't have been delayed because of someone elses goods (unless they had been mixed in the same container, entirely possible).

But let's talk about customs. The UK's busiest crossing for lorries are Dover and Folkestone, each doing around 2 million lorries per year. The vast majority of these do not need to stop any customs, because the UK is currently in the single market and the customs union.

If we leave the customs union, as it seems almost certain we will, then every haulage vehicle to and from the EU will need to stop at customs. This is what all the car manufacturers in the UK are afraid of, and why many are thinking of leaving despite the 20% discount brexit has given them. Right now, someone in Munich can buy from Milan or Reading and know their goods will arrive the next day.

And this is why Corbyn is entirely correct to hammer Boris over us leaving the customs union.
 
How much additional funding has Corbyn committed to healthcare, and from where will it be raised?
 
In this year of outsiders in politics, there is one which both Leavers and Remainers can unite against:

 
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After months of disarray, Ukip has announced that Paul Nuttall is its new leader – and his immediate plan is to target northern England’s Labour heartlands. So how worried should Labour be? We hear from Manchester University’s Robert Ford, author of Revolt on the Right.

Also this week, Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary, Sir Keir Starmer, tells us that Theresa May should act unilaterally to guarantee residency rights for any EU nationals already living in Britain and end the uncertainty about their status after Brexit.

Joining Heather Stewart to discuss it all are Guardian columnist Rafael Behr, leader writer Anne Perkins and James Morris, a former adviser to Ed Miliband and now a partner at polling firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research.

Plus: political reporter Jessica Elgot hears from candidates and voters ahead of the Richmond Park byelection result.

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James Morris makes some good points with regard to future immigration policy IMO. Neither Corbyn nor the Blairites would be amenable to such a shift though.
 
Len McCuskey as stepped down to trigger a snap election. Could that be a risk and a blow to Corbyn.
 
Yet another good performance at PMQs .Had Theresa May on the back foot and almost had her straining her larynx.
 
With all the recent shite talk of rebranding Corbyn, if someone in his team could just make him watch this



Ok it still might not win you the election but christ at least it's a coherent message.
 
Sweet Square said:
With all the recent shite talk of rebranding Corbyn, if someone in his team could just make him watch this



Ok it still might not win you the election but christ at least it's a coherent message.
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He's gone very quiet since the reelection but then i think thats probably because the rebels have stopped creating news constantly.

Its not a bad idea for him to stay out of the news for a while whilst the tory mess is highlighted. Hopefully they take the time to get a solid brexit message.
 
Sweet Square said:
With all the recent shite talk of rebranding Corbyn, if someone in his team could just make him watch this



Ok it still might not win you the election but christ at least it's a coherent message.
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Watching it and I think Corbyn's problem is that he just doesn't have the same innate passion and drive that Bernie has when he talks. Sanders is that guy you see at the centre of a party or event; the sort of person everyone stands around and listens to. Corbyn's the one standing in the corner, quietly sipping his drink.

There's nothing wrong with that...but it's ultimately not what you typically want in a leader-type politician, and it's primarily not the type of leader you want when that leaders supposed to be an inspiring type of candidate for change.

I want to believe he'll have some sort of re-branding that'll work, but I'm not sure what can be done now that hasn't already been done. I'm losing patience with him because it's appearing more and more he'll be destroyed in 2020...and while I think it was all well and good to blame the dissenters up until now, he's won the re-election and needs to use that to actually start driving forward, creating a movement that genuinely has a message and appeals to people...and I've seen little to suggest that'll happen.
 
Smores said:
He's gone very quiet since the reelection but then i think thats probably because the rebels have stopped creating news constantly.

Its not a bad idea for him to stay out of the news for a while whilst the tory mess is highlighted. Hopefully they take the time to get a solid brexit message.
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Trouble is Brexit highlights a very deep problem for Labour, much deeper than a mere policy position. It's core vote is being pulled in opposite directions based on very different value systems and the party doesn't know which way to follow. This is something that's been coming for decades actually, but Labours success in the late 90s masked the problem for a while.

What Corbyn needs to do is lead Labour through a period of reflection and analysis as deep as it faced in the late 80s when it became apparent the post war consensus wasn't coming back. It needs to figure out if it's possible to represent both working class social conservatives and middle class social liberals, given that the two groups increasingly want diametrically opposed things from their Government (and the EU).

Unfortunately Corbyn shows few signs of being the leader that can pull the party through that difficult process. Instead the party just kind of does nothing and is letting Brexit largely pass it by.
 
Smores said:
He's gone very quiet since the reelection but then i think thats probably because the rebels have stopped creating news constantly.

Its not a bad idea for him to stay out of the news for a while whilst the tory mess is highlighted. Hopefully they take the time to get a solid brexit message.
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Hopefully that's the reasoning, the last few weeks have shown May to be awful(That recent gif all most makes me feel sorry for her)but I can't help but think the reason for all quite on the Labour side has more to do with this
Unmutual said:
Trouble is Brexit highlights a very deep problem for Labour, much deeper than a mere policy position. It's core vote is being pulled in opposite directions based on very different value systems and the party doesn't know which way to follow. This is something that's been coming for decades actually, but Labours success in the late 90s masked the problem for a while.

What Corbyn needs to do is lead Labour through a period of reflection and analysis as deep as it faced in the late 80s when it became apparent the post war consensus wasn't coming back. It needs to figure out if it's possible to represent both working class social conservatives and middle class social liberals, given that the two groups increasingly want diametrically opposed things from their Government (and the EU).

Unfortunately Corbyn shows few signs of being the leader that can pull the party through that difficult process. Instead the party just kind of does nothing and is letting Brexit largely pass it by.
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Cheesy said:
Watching it and I think Corbyn's problem is that he just doesn't have the same innate passion and drive that Bernie has when he talks. Sanders is that guy you see at the centre of a party or event; the sort of person everyone stands around and listens to. Corbyn's the one standing in the corner, quietly sipping his drink.

There's nothing wrong with that...but it's ultimately not what you typically want in a leader-type politician, and it's primarily not the type of leader you want when that leaders supposed to be an inspiring type of candidate for change.

I want to believe he'll have some sort of re-branding that'll work, but I'm not sure what can be done now that hasn't already been done. I'm losing patience with him because it's appearing more and more he'll be destroyed in 2020...and while I think it was all well and good to blame the dissenters up until now, he's won the re-election and needs to use that to actually start driving forward, creating a movement that genuinely has a message and appeals to people...and I've seen little to suggest that'll happen.
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Oh I Agree. I partly posted the video out of frustration as while I agree with the socialist argument put forward by likes Bernie and Corbyn, I think it's only really resonates when you have to (oddly enough)really sell it, which something Bernie does but Corbyn lacks. Wither this new ''re branding'' address the issue will have to be seen, although like yourself I'm not overly optimistic. Although it should be mentioned that his credit there has been a change in rhetoric at least since the Trump win at least.

My annoyances and where my patience is running out is with as you said the lack of a driving force to create a movement, fair enough for people like me who pretty much live in Toryland central but for the rest of the country there's no reason to try Syriza model in the form of Solidarity Clubs, there's not even talk of such things.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-corbyns-radicalism-in-video-message-for-2017

Jeremy Corbyn will urge the public to join him in taking on the political establishment in 2017, in a new year video message aimed at cementing his reputation as a combative outsider.

In the video shot at Westminster, Corbyn describes 2016 as “a year that will live long in all of our memories” and says he understands some of the concerns that led to the Brexit vote.

“People didn’t trust politicians and they didn’t trust the European Union,” he says. “I understand that. I’ve spent over 40 years in politics campaigning for a better way of doing things, standing up for people, taking on the establishment and opposing decisions that would make us worse off.”

He promises to fight against a Brexit deal that would safeguard the interests of City banks or continue “corporate handouts” to big businesses, saying: “Labour was founded to stand up for people, and we founded the institutions that do that day in and day out, like our NHS. We are the party that listens to you and makes Britain better. Let’s do that, together, in 2017.”

Labour strategists have taken a deliberate decision to play to Corbyn’s strength as an unpolished political maverick who has notoriously refused to toe the party line throughout several decades as an MP.

The Labour leader has appeared more assured since he convincingly saw off Owen Smith’s leadership challenge in September, with his opponent admitting that Corbyn’s performance at the dispatch box has improved.

Corbyn also knows Labour will be under intense scrutiny in the months ahead. Close allies, including the shadow home secretary, Diane Abbott, have acknowledged that the party needs to try to close the gap with the Conservatives in the polls.

In the video, in which he appears in a tailored navy jacket against the south bank skyline of County Hall and the London Eye, Corbyn reflects on the past year, saying: “Every day I see the political system letting down the people of this country; how decisions made in Westminster are making people’s lives harder.”

He cites rising homelessness, the crisis in social care funding and the increasing prevalence of low pay and insecure jobs. “Millions of people can’t plan their lives because, whether on temporary or zero hours contracts, they don’t know what job or what hours they’ll have from day to day, week to week or month to month. And for many, pay is so low that it doesn’t make ends meet.”

Labour is attempting to gear up for a potential snap general election in early 2017, although no candidates have yet been selected for key seats. MPs with marginal seats in former industrial areas far from Corbyn’s Islington constituency doubt his appeal extends beyond the metropolis.

The party may have a battle on its hands to maintain the Copeland constituency that will shortly be vacated by Jamie Reed, the Corbyn critic who is leaving parliament to work for the nuclear site Sellafield.

Corbyn was blamed by many of his pro-EU MPs for failing to fight hard enough to win the referendum, but his allies believe that his cautious tone, in which he encouraged voters to stick with the EU “warts and all” better reflected the public mood.

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, sparked outrage among some in his own party recently by citing the “enormous opportunities” Brexit could bring. Corbyn’s new year message reiterates his stance that Labour “accepts and respects the result of the referendum”.

After the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, pushed the government to promise to produce a plan before legislating to invoke article 50 in the new year, Corbyn hinted that Labour might do more to try to influence the process. “We won’t be blocking our leaving the European Union, but we won’t stand by,” he said.

Corbyn’s more combative tone was evident in a Guardian interview earlier this week, in which he compared Theresa May’s wish to use the royal prerogative to take Britain out of the EU with Henry VIII.

The Labour leader makes no reference to his own turbulent year, which saw him face down scores of shadow cabinet resignations and a vote of no confidence by 172 of his own MPs – an overwhelming majority. Most backbenchers believe it is unlikely he will face a fresh threat to his leadership in 2017.
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D'oh.
 
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