I love the idea of people joining the Lib Dems because Corbyn has made Labour unelectable
I'm voting for lib dem too. I'm not cool voting for commies or capitalists/xenophobic people
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I'm voting for lib dem too. I'm not cool voting for commies or capitalists/xenophobic people
I would imagine that they are centrists that are not fond of his politics.
And Owen Smith's policy platform was different?
I guess they could just be very pro-Trident voters.
Might as well just vote Conservative then given the Lib Dems have shown themselves willing to prop up a Conservative government
There are tweets saying Labour had 15,000 new members sign up in the hours after Corbyn's victory yesterday. It's only twitter though.
Lib Dem for me too, at the moment. Corbyn's lot have made it quite clear how much they despise the rest of Labour, although I would like the choice of a new centre-left party as well.
In a strange way that might suit lefties anyway. Given that they seem to have no interest in retaining so-called 'red tory/tory light' votes, never mind attracting the current centre or right voters needed to actually win a general election, their only chance of even a share of power might be some sort of coalition in a hung parliament.
In a strange way that might suit lefties anyway. Given that they seem to have no interest in retaining so-called 'red tory/tory light' votes, never mind attracting the current centre or right voters needed to actually win a general election, their only chance of even a share of power might be some sort of coalition in a hung parliament.
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I'll probably vote lib as they are the main challengers in my constituency... Is there many where labour and conservatives share the top two positions?
I doubt that there is many where it is such a stark choice between the two
As said I can't vote for neither commies nor xenophobic aholes
But his point is that you vote for the people happy to side with them.
Ultimately there's not much to choose either. Hopefully the new lib dem would be less of a doormat to the rule Brittania then cleggs one was
What a bunch of entryists.
I might vote for Corbyn depending on UKIP's chance of getting an MP elected in my constituency, though that seems unlikely at the moment.
I will consider the Lib Dems, however.
I will consider the Lib Dems, however.
That's how any parliament works when there's no absolute majority though, isn't it?
What would a Corbyn party do if the next parliament were hung, just proudly stand aside, and settle for another five years in opposition?
I am a labour voter so why would i vote anyone else.?
Like Marching, hes a tory voter and voted for them despite the fact cameron led them out the eu, you have to admire that commitment?
Personally I see no value whatsoever in that kind of commitment. Why vote for a party that no longer represents you?
Well they have the closest match to my views than any other party have ever had. Only im even more left then Corbyn himself, almost horizontal.
I'm reserving judgement on Labour for a while. Left and centre need to get their acts together.
Scottish Labour now fallen to 16% in the latest poll.
Smith won the 18 - 24 vote. Guess the cock jokes work after all.
Labour MPs branded 'traitors' at conference and told they face deselection if they oppose Corbyn
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...raitors-at-conference-and-told-they-face-des/
That would depend on why someone disliked Corbyn, and what motivated your earlier support for either of the main parties. If there isn't a local grievance, the divide between centre-left and centre-right can be a bridgeable one. Is it so very implausible that floating voter might trust May and Hammond with the economy over Corbyn and McDonnell?
Should they have propped up Labour instead? Coalition government was something which the Lib Dems believed in strongly prior to the election, and the Tories were the only real option. Had they decided against an alliance with Cameron, the chances are that we'd have ended up a Conservative overall majority a few years sooner.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...raitors-at-conference-and-told-they-face-des/
That would depend on why someone disliked Corbyn, and what motivated your earlier support for either of the main parties. If there isn't a local grievance, the divide between centre-left and centre-right can be a bridgeable one. Is it so very implausible that floating voter might trust May and Hammond with the economy over Corbyn and McDonnell?
Should they have propped up Labour instead? Coalition government was something which the Lib Dems believed in strongly prior to the election, and the Tories were the only real option. Had they decided against an alliance with Cameron, the chances are that we'd have ended up a Conservative overall majority a few years sooner.
what does the ABC1/ C2DE stand for ?
Smith won 18-24 year olds 
I'm more puzzled by the +57 who did not vote Labour in 2015.
Who did they vote for?
If no one, should they really be choosing Labour's leader for us now?
Who did they vote for?
If no one, should they really be choosing Labour's leader for us now?
probably greens or TUSC? Most of them probably thought that labour was too far to the right, but can get behind Corbyn.
thanks.
Then maybe they should have been voting in the Green or TUSC leadership elections instead of joining another party and voting in their's?
A bit harsh.
It's fathomable these folk were not members of any parties prior Corbyn being made leader, and felt the Labour Party was not consistent with their values. Let's be honest, the Greens before 2015 were more aligned with Corbyn's platform than Labour was at the time.
I see that, but if they felt the Greens were more consistent with their values then why not join them and vote for their leader?
The economy is a rather big single issue, one that has dominated the past two general elections. Labour must also overcome two hurdles if it is to regain the confidence of the public: first, the residual hangover of their incumbency during the global crash; second and more importantly, the present leadership's lack of properly costed policies.
It is a bit difficult to evaluate the data without knowing how many people fall into each category. The "did not vote for labour in 2015" demographic could be quite small.
It's about 20% of the vote, according to YouGov. Mainly Greens.
Also don't read too much in to the 18-24 voter breakdown, it's based on a subsample of about 50 people and the August YouGov which predicted the result exactly had that age group at 61-39 in Corbyn's favour.
There hasn't been anything unpredictable. Any strategist will have foreseen this. Let's see what the letter scheduled for release at 7:45 this morning has to say.
Edit: Move along. Nothing (much) to see here.
Edit: Move along. Nothing (much) to see here.
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You can vote for us but feck off out of our party til then?
I do agree in some sense though, personally don't think you should have to have a clear record of voting Labour but you should have to be engaged locally and/or been a member for a given period.
Anyway, i see New Labour folk are out supporter their leader..oh wait no they're slagging off the members again and undermining the leader. Suprise suprise
What would the tories or anyone else done any different? As far as I am concerned every govmt in Europe acted the same.
What do you mean nothing much to see here? Corbyn is finished. The political titan that is John Ferrett has resigned as Portsmouth City Council leader.
Don't get this 'moderate' man confused with someone, with a similar name, calling for a new party, labelling Corbyn's backers his "political enemies" and saying he'd rather vote Tory than for them; this guy is...oh no it's the same one.
Looks like a compromise has been made on nuclear. Tone so far is very much stick with existing policy but actually put effort into multilateral disarmament.
Impressed with what ive heard so far.
Impressed with what ive heard so far.
And immediately the Mirror gets a brief: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labours-defence-chief-forced-drop-8916801
Sigh. I really hope this compromise was signed off by all. Labour really doesn't need to be focusing on nuclear weapons. It really isn't going to win an election.
The scale of the issue.
http://labourlist.org/2016/09/exclusive-labour-on-course-for-worst-defeat-since-1935/
Yeah Guardian presented that on the live feed. I dont think thats much tbh, speeches get changed and i think that line was prob removed as it could make it look like a dig at Corbyn.
Id be shocked if Labour change party policy on trident. Even if i do disagree with it.