Well there you have it. Smashed it 61.8%
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Well, this is unfortunately where I have to get off. Good luck all.
Corbyn - 313,209 (61.8%)
Smith - 193,229 (38.2%)
Smith - 193,229 (38.2%)
Very conciliatory tone in his speech
I, for one, welcome our new socialist overloads.
A small increase in vote share, but a significant improvement for Corbyn in terms of sheer numbers.
Wore a smart suit and tie too. Davids mum would be proud
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Gonna be a big week for Labour. I'm expecting a few to resign this afternoon.
#smashedit
Fantastic to see him survive this attempted coup. Hopefully the rest of the party who rebelled will unite behind him and at least give him a fair shot going forwards.
Well, guess you'll find out now what the public really thinks of him.
Don't really know what to expect to be honest. His image his tainted with the electorate and itll take a big effort to reverse that.
Saying that a couple of months is a long time in politics and if we can oppose tory policy effectively who knows.
One thing im finding annoying with this coverage is the repeated line by Sky and the BBC that Corbyn only speaks to a group already won over. He's swelled the membership and brought new people in, got them to engage. This was celebrated under Milliband
Saying that a couple of months is a long time in politics and if we can oppose tory policy effectively who knows.
One thing im finding annoying with this coverage is the repeated line by Sky and the BBC that Corbyn only speaks to a group already won over. He's swelled the membership and brought new people in, got them to engage. This was celebrated under Milliband
Was there ever any doubt. Now hope they get behind him or if not start purging
Replace them all with labradors, and watch the fun as labour still retain their seats.
Bye
Absolutely. The voters have shown that they back Corbyn, the dissenting MPs need to put up or shut up. If they want to represent the people they supposedly serve then that means giving Corbyn their full support, anything less is not acceptable.
I am pleased Corbyn won personally, just because it shows that the voters still have SOME power, and also because I think Corbyn represents a different style to most politicians, which can only be seen as a good thing.
Thats the media for you. They've all been so against the guy which makes me want to vote for him even more. Feck the haters (especially when they're scumbags).
But from where is the increase in membership coming from? Have Corbyn's policies been tempting away those people who will determine the fate of constituencies? If he's just piling on in safe areas the practical benefits won't reflect the crowds at his rallies.
It is not only a case of meeting the PLP halfway, but also making some compromises on his own part when forming policy. Most importantly of all, they must be properly costed.
That is a shame. I am staying, and will continue to make the arguments that I have for the last year.
Congratulations to Corbyn and his supporters. I hope you will forgive me if I reserve judgment for the time being.
Dont get me wrong he also needs wider appeal and thats a seperate issue but the line that the numbers of new active members and increased participation at rallies is somehow a negative is blatantly just an attack where others would be praised for it.
These people are Labour voters with some disenfranchised non voters thrown in they're not going to add their own votes but they may help gain others whilst campaiging.
I have no doubt you'll do an infinitely better job of it than I have
I should've said congrats to Corbyn as well earlier, a commanding win in tough circumstances and his supporters are clearly as enthused as ever.
If we're being brutally honest, I think the moderates have to take the blame for the whole failed coup. In the end they presented an absolute dud of a candidate and did nothing but divide and split the party.
If they don't intend to split off and form their own new one, then they absolutely all need to get behind Corbyn and work alongside him in challenging the Tories. I think there's been a lot of damage done that can't be reserved, but plenty haven't said too much and can now still back him whilst coming across as genuine.
I'm not sure if Corbyn's very electable, primarily due to the IRA stuff and people like McDonnell being next to him, but the party have to now work to make him as electable as he possibly can be. Rebelling against him hasn't helped that electability at all, nor has the constant sniping since he stepped into office. Time for them all to come together.
If they don't intend to split off and form their own new one, then they absolutely all need to get behind Corbyn and work alongside him in challenging the Tories. I think there's been a lot of damage done that can't be reserved, but plenty haven't said too much and can now still back him whilst coming across as genuine.
I'm not sure if Corbyn's very electable, primarily due to the IRA stuff and people like McDonnell being next to him, but the party have to now work to make him as electable as he possibly can be. Rebelling against him hasn't helped that electability at all, nor has the constant sniping since he stepped into office. Time for them all to come together.
Fantastic news.
Now hopefully the PLP respect his mandate and get behind him, or get deselected and let others more willing to actually do their jobs.
Now hopefully the PLP respect his mandate and get behind him, or get deselected and let others more willing to actually do their jobs.
Hats off to John McTernan for backing yet another monumental loser. Will do nothing to his chances of getting on the box as a political expert, mind.
No doubt lecturing about winning elections
Corbyn was miles ahead of Smith among voters who didn't vote Labour in 2015 according to the YouGov exit poll. Thoughts?
Edit: Presumably that they are overwhelmingly Green voters?
From memory of past polls they've done of Labour members yeah the bulk is former Greens with a smattering of Lib Dems.
Here we go, this is from just after the previous leadership election (unfortunately the more recent ones just have "Labour/Not Labour") with the breakdown of 2015 vote, the big membership increase post-September was presumed to be £3ers signing up so I'd imagine many of the ex-Greens were among them - https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...nt/h4c7aqabu7/LabourSelectorate_TopLine_W.pdf
Also should give a tip of the hat to YouGov for their August poll of the race, which got it bang on 62-38.
As a Smith supporter how annoyed are you with his campaign? As I saw pointed out on Twitter, he won more votes than Ed did. So at the end of the day you really have to credit Corbyn's success at growing the electorate, even if you think it is taking the party down the wrong path.
Plus I still haven't forgotten that you said Corbyn was closest to you politically, which I'm sure you'd take back if you could
Smith voter! There's a difference
It was a bad campaign but I'm not sure it was a contest that could've been won really, unless you went on a mass-recruitment drive that took membership into the millions, which I'm not sure is logistically doable. I think the figures are something like 60-40 to Smith of pre-2015 GE members and near 80-20 to Corbyn among those since, so of course you can only really congratulate on managing to transform the party so fully in such a short amount of time. He's bomb-proof until an election now, particularly given that the members who joined since January will now be able to vote.Will hang over me for the rest of my days.Plus I still haven't forgotten that you said Corbyn was closest to you politically, which I'm sure you'd take back if you could
Smith voter! There's a difference
Will hang over me for the rest of my days.
I'm not sure how the campaign reflects on Lisa Nandy (strategic campaign direction), who we'd all like to think is a good prospect for the future. Probably not worth dwelling on it too much. Was always an uphill battle for them and they can cling to the appeal to pre-2015 members.
Hopefully the entire PLP realises this and decides to get on with fighting for the left until the next election
My other two wishes:
That Corbyn MK2 is better at his job
That we use the time between now and the next election to build the profile of some future leadership candidates (Jarvis, Lewis, I'd throw Nandy in there but I can't imagine she'll want to come straight back to the front bench after co-chairing Smith's campaign)
Badly I image.
Your right that it was always going to be a uphill battle but Smith campaign was just a terrible campaign overall.
He does know a lot about that to be fair. Step 1 is to ensure he backs your opponent.
I think that is six in a row now, Angelos Epithemiou Snr is an election losing dynasty.
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Well done mr Corbyn, I think there should be another leadership challenge as he's on a hatrick
Doing a decent job at cutting in from the left-wing so he is...
Guy needs to do a Cersei Lannister.
Reminds me of depay
His highlights from a lower level looked impressive but seems out of his depth at a higher level.
When he sticks out left his crosses can't connect with those in the centre and when he comes inside his efforts invariably end up in row z.
At best should be an impact sub from the bench
I love the idea of people joining the Lib Dems because Corbyn has made Labour unelectableSo lets say you're a labour voter, would you seriously consider voting tory perhaps cos you don't like corbyn?
That's like being a united fan but getting a season ticket for city cos they're better and you don't like mourinho.
That's like being a united fan but getting a season ticket for city cos they're better and you don't like mourinho.