fecking hell John Mann turned the opportunity down to make it all about himself? Was he ill?
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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SIX months! And I thought Hillary Benn going around collecting signatures during the EU campaign was bad enough.
Talk about giving the leader a chance
Yeah I guess you're right. I just thought with Labour facing an existential crisis the party would be able to unite against a single threat. If they can't even do that the party probably deserves what's coming.
Oh and thank you Owen Smith, keep em coming so we can split that Red Tory vote
John McDonnell swearing is getting more of a reaction out of the Blairite MPs than the fecking Chilcot report 
Angela Eagle claiming to have leadership qualities on Sky News while refusing to state her opinion on any of the interviewers questions.
Angela Eagle claiming to have leadership qualities on Sky News while refusing to state her opinion on any of the interviewers questions.
John McDonnell swearing is getting more of a reaction out of the Blairite MPs than the fecking Chilcot report
No surprises there, Turkeys for Christmas and all that.
They probably think Corbyn's dress sense is more criminal than a million dead
John McDonnell swearing is getting more of a reaction out of the Blairite MPs than the fecking Chilcot report
Angela Eagle claiming to have leadership qualities on Sky News while refusing to state her opinion on any of the interviewers questions.
Nah they just know how to make a good headline from a situation.
Can we just purge Alistair Campbell from the party? I will vote for anyone who campaigns for that even if its Kendal.
Hear hear, stick that cretin on a rocket aimed towards the moon and that leader has my vote, even if they're the red Tory drone type. Bonus points if Blair is on it with him.
If Owen Smith appeared to be genuine, on the left side of the Party, a competent and engaging speaker, and more electable than Dear Jeremy, would any of the Corbynites on here vote for him, as a move to heal the party?
Too early to say.
If he beat Jeremy fairly in a leadership contest, actually challenges the Tories on austerity, civil rights and democracy AND distancing himself from the Mandelson/Campbell types then I'll probably vote for him....in a general election.
If he's going to be another drone that says all the right things but abstains on everything including his mother's tea time then forget it.
I'm not talking about a general election, I'm talking about this leadership election, and how it relates to the future of the party.
I still have complete faith in Jeremy so unless he steps down, I won't be voting for anyone else.
Yes but he's isn't genuine at all.
If my auntie had bollocks...
If by 'Corbnites' you mean people who voted for him previously then yes i would. Im open to consider any potential leader if they fit my desired direction of the Labour party.
Im not going to vote for anyone simply to satisfy the MPs though as they're not permanent fixtures themselves.
My ideal outcome is a more presentable leader campaigning on Corbyns mandate (minus trident and immigration). I doubt Owen Smith is that man though.
Still considering cancelling my membership.
The only other candidate I'd consider voting for if he ran is Clive Lewis, genuine Labour type, young and even has that military background to appease the Daily Mail and Little Englanders.
His platform is very similar to Corbyn's though, so I don't see him running at the same time. Definitely one I'd get behind in the future.
His platform is very similar to Corbyn's though, so I don't see him running at the same time. Definitely one I'd get behind in the future.
It shouldn't matter - but I can see the fact that he received counselling for depression being something that would play badly for him.
He can spin that into a positive, shows us he's human and will actually take mental health seriously, unlike the sociopaths we have now.
Would love to see the Daily Heil and the Sun try and condemn a serviceman for suffering from depression.
can he spin it? - unless he can get murdoch on side I think its out of his hands as to how the story is spun
Like I said, even a Murdoch rag would be brave to poke fun at a military man who has served in Afghanistan that has received counselling.
Edit: I edited my previous post a little late.
I think you're right on both accounts. If they tried to do so they'd be some uproar/backlash but it would stick as most things do in politics.
Pathetic but thats the world we live in.
No, not a chance.
Complete faith in Jeremy in what sense? Do you think he's electable?
One of the NEC members saying Corbyn endorsed bullying and intimidation by voting against the secret ballot
Seriously i hate these fecking retards. Your members deserve to know which way you voted, you shouldnt be hiding behind secreacy.
Seriously i hate these fecking retards. Your members deserve to know which way you voted, you shouldnt be hiding behind secreacy.
People who have belief in their message will attract voters. What do the Blairites offer? And after what they did, are they electable?
You must have missed the memo, noting which way someone voted is just a Corbynista meme.
Just read that NEC suspended CLP meetings until the leadership election and just before Wallasey could pass no confidence vote on Angela Eagle. What lucky timing.
Its exactly this kind of behaviour why i voted for Corbyn in the first place. The party is in a terrible state. Corbyn losing will disenfranchise so many unless a credible alternative with vision comes forward
They've done that interview purely to get the media soundbite out there. Whats the guardian headline "Corbyn endorsed bullying".
I'm only half sure as to what's happened in the past 24 hours but it looks like an absolute shit-show either way.
Owen Smith being approached about 6 months ago tells a story of its own, though. If true, it highlights that the party never intended on giving Corbyn a genuine chance and were always working to undermine him. But we know that already.
This bunch look like they're trying to outdo the Tories for sneakiness and backstabbing. Which is a major problem. Can you imagine a more centrist Labour party trying to paint the Tories as a nasty, untrustworthy part after all of this? The Tories would have an absolute fecking field day.
Owen Smith being approached about 6 months ago tells a story of its own, though. If true, it highlights that the party never intended on giving Corbyn a genuine chance and were always working to undermine him. But we know that already.
This bunch look like they're trying to outdo the Tories for sneakiness and backstabbing. Which is a major problem. Can you imagine a more centrist Labour party trying to paint the Tories as a nasty, untrustworthy part after all of this? The Tories would have an absolute fecking field day.
Women in the meeting said they'd received rape and death threats. Calling them (or anyone) "retards" is a little disgusting.One of the NEC members saying Corbyn endorsed bullying and intimidation by voting against the secret ballot
Seriously i hate these fecking retards. Your members deserve to know which way you voted, you shouldnt be hiding behind secreacy.
So, to clarify, Labour have essentially banned people who signed up post-Brexit from voting (because they support Corbyn), and anyone who wants a vote has to pay £25. That's beyond embarrassing if so. It genuinely shows utter, utter contempt for the party members.
What does that mean?
One of the NEC members saying Corbyn endorsed bullying and intimidation by voting against the secret ballot
Seriously i hate these fecking retards. Your members deserve to know which way you voted, you shouldnt be hiding behind secreacy.
Having the strength of your own convictions doesn't help if they are 40 odd years out of date and do not reflect the needs of a modern economy and the opinions of most of the population.
Tony Benn case in point. Incredibly intelligent. Excellent orator. Has to be admired for the strength of his convictions and his authenticity. But nobody agreed with him.
My 91 year old Auntie thinks they should bring back hanging. Won't be moved on that.
Look forward to the leadership candidates calling for unity and bringing the youth out to both vote and to Labour, with something that sort of resembles a straight face, in the coming weeks. You just have to ignore that whole reality *thing* to temporarily find the funny in it.
The incompetence of Labour and the contempt they're actively, openly showing for Corbyn's supporters is fecking shocking. How can anyone expect a new leader, regardless of his alignments, not to get utterly shredded apart by the Tories? Ed Miliband was criticised for the way he ate a sandwich; can you imagine the field day the Tories will have with someone who's stabbed Corbyn in the back?
Corbyn might actually be a better hope for the party in any election at this stage. He'll lose, yeah, but so will anyone from the party right now.
Whatever its a poor choice of words but the fact they've received threats does not mean they get to circumvent democracy.
Those matters should be dealt with seriously but on such a crucial vote you cant have secreacy. There's always going to be these threats over votes of importance but are you telling me every contentious vote should be done in secret to protect the MPs?
I could forgive the stupidity of holding thst view but its been purposefully used as a weapon to feed the media narrative
I think it's much for muchness. For New Labour type voters Corbyn seems like a pig headed, delusional megalomaniac. They're not going to vote for him, but they might - might - still vote Labour if they get someone "electable" in.
This is civil war. Only one half can be satisfied with any outcome, it's a zero sum game. More Labour members with Corbyn, more potential Labour voters if it goes against.
But actually I think the damage is done now.
I think it will be hilarious if he insists on staying, or rather is voted as leader again, and the party splits.
Is there? I'm not sure that's the case. Certainly not on this scale.
I agree with you about secrecy actually. But I don't think you can be so blaze about the behaviour of some people throughout this episode. Momentum would do well to crack down on it hard because I can see it turning a lot of people off.
And this is the problem - the party is completely willing to feck over and ignore members under some vague pretence of maybe getting centre-leaning voters.
I think even that is unlikely to succeed for Labour. May's a fresh face, and for many centre voters will be welcome - on the news there's quite a few people who seem to be speaking fairly positively of her. She's actually probably going to come across as more personable and likable than any potential Corbyn replacement who's still got the knife in their hand.