Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

So ...
Whats the bets angela eagle steps down from race and a more serious candidate is put forward now that corbyn is on ballot?
Presume she was just a patsy to take the fall for excluding him.
 
Penna said:
Yeah, I just can't see how they can do this. You can change the rules tomorrow, but not retrospectively.
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I'm sure they'll be challenged on it but if he has to just pay the £25 I suppose he could just cancel his membership for a month to make up the loss.
 
Untied said:
OK, so it's going to be £25 to register as a Supporter for 48 hours from the 18th July to the 20th — somewhat bizarre outcome

@Ubik you can still vote if you fancy paying that
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Will have to check if I have to renounce my membership first or somesuch, cheers though.
Sweet Square said:
Well that's shitty although still think they might have to back track on it or it might be challenge.


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Doubt that amounts to a legally binding contract, Labour Eoin just doing his best to sound relevant. Despite my dislike of Andy Burnham I kind of wish it was him as the challenger, just because Eoin has an unhealthy interest in him and he'd be in floods of tears.
 
Ubik said:
Will have to check if I have to renounce my membership first or somesuch, cheers though.

Doubt that amounts to a legally binding contract, Labour Eoin just doing his best to sound relevant. Despite my dislike of Andy Burnham I kind of wish it was him as the challenger, just because Eoin has an unhealthy interest in him and he'd be in floods of tears.
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It's like hiring a service that brings puppies over, but instead they bring loads of old disease riddled dogs on the verge of death.
 
By the looks of it, the previous £3ers are no longer eligible, so they'll have to pay £25 to sign up again. Pretty big deal if so. That said, a lot of them signed on as full members just after Corbyn was elected, and a fair number of sulky moderates (cough) left.
 
Ubik said:
Doubt that amounts to a legally binding contract, Labour Eoin just doing his best to sound relevant. Despite my dislike of Andy Burnham I kind of wish it was him as the challenger, just because Eoin has an unhealthy interest in him and he'd be in floods of tears.
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Oh right cheers, just thought it was worth a share putting it on here(Just saw it randomly on twitter) .
 
Marching said:
Sorry just laughing at the farce.

7 hours of the NEC arguing whether he should be on the ballot and then they only get a 18-14 vote with one the 18 being Corbyn's own vote. Cringeworthy. Embarrassing.
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No problem. I was a bit worried that what I posted slightly stupid(If lots of people on twitter are saying it, it's never a good sign).
 
Ubik said:
Ooh, interesting. NEC apparently also agreed that you have to have been a member for 6 months, and raised the supporter fee to £25.
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Interesting. That will be fecking close.

I'm going to my first ever local parliamentary meeting on Monday - will it be as dull as I'm expecting?
 
ThierryHenry said:
Interesting. That will be fecking close.

I'm going to my first ever local parliamentary meeting on Monday - will it be as dull as I'm expecting?
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You're in Stella's constituency aren't you? Apparently a lot of Momentum folk there!
 
Some Labour MPs deleting the tweets they made encouraging people to join to #savelabour now that their attempts to make the votes not count have succeeded. Another stunning feck you to the people brought to you by the Labour party.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Interesting. That will be fecking close.

I'm going to my first ever local parliamentary meeting on Monday - will it be as dull as I'm expecting?
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It might. I used to go to many when I was young, all "points of order" in smoke-filled rooms. I also set up a local branch of the Young Socialists, but we were infiltrated (and ultimately taken over) by Militant Tendency - that was about the most exciting thing that happened. :lol:
 
In a sign that neither pro- nor anti-Corbyn folk are sure who this benefits, both are complaining about it.

It essentially looks like it's just for ease of administration as much as anything, the checking of the £3ers in particular last time was a nightmare and more costly than the money gained.
 
Ubik said:
In a sign that neither pro- nor anti-Corbyn folk are sure who this benefits, both are complaining about it.

It essentially looks like it's just for ease of administration as much as anything, the checking of the £3ers in particular last time was a nightmare and more costly than the money gained.
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That doesn't explain the 6 month retrospective ruling.

"Hey guys we're growing massively and just got 130,000 new members! How can we make them feel welcome?"
 
Ubik said:
In a sign that neither pro- nor anti-Corbyn folk are sure who this benefits, both are complaining about it.

It essentially looks like it's just for ease of administration as much as anything, the checking of the £3ers in particular last time was a nightmare and more costly than the money gained.
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Come on now.
 
This is just another reason to vote for Corbyn to me. The people working against him have no respect whatsoever for the common person. They will tell you whatever it takes to get your vote and they will not deliver on those promises if it means they can get someone elses vote the next day.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Come on now.
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You don't think individually verifying that 125,000+ new applications are legitimate is a demanding process in terms of time and manpower (and by association, money)? Don't you remember that "Labour purge" meme that Corbynites were getting worked up about last year, because so many were found to be duff?

Plus I'm unsure of the logic whereby a majority of the NEC is found to be in favour of Corbyn appearing on the ballot, then agree to changes purely with the aim of hurting his chances. Anyone?
 
Penna said:
It might. I used to go to many when I was young, all "points of order" in smoke-filled rooms. I also set up a local branch of the Young Socialists, but we were infiltrated (and ultimately taken over) by Militant Tendency - that was about the most exciting thing that happened. :lol:
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:lol:

They just took over your organisation?
 
Marching said:
Sorry just laughing at the farce.

7 hours of the NEC arguing whether he should be on the ballot and then they only get a 18-14 vote with one the 18 being Corbyn's own vote. Cringeworthy. Embarrassing.
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Executive has meeting and has vote, hows that embarrassing? What would a non embarrassing meeting look like?
 
Ubik said:
You don't think individually verifying that 125,000+ new applications are legitimate is a demanding process in terms of time and manpower (and by association, money)? Don't you remember that "Labour purge" meme that Corbynites were getting worked up about last year, because so many were found to be duff?

Plus I'm unsure of the logic whereby a majority of the NEC is found to be in favour of Corbyn appearing on the ballot, then agree to changes purely with the aim of hurting his chances. Anyone?
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I agree its a factor. I don't agree that its 'essentially for ease of administration as much as anything', but, people playing politics.

It doesn't matter who's pushing it, its bad form to take peoples money, tell them they can vote, and then retroactively decide they can't. In fact its worse than bad form, its fraud.
 
Robert Peston(ITV)
https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1655015298156542

Even by Labour's recent history of giving shambles a good name, today's meeting of the ruling NEC takes the biscuit.

Because at the end of the meeting, after a couple of pro-Corbyn members had left, and Corbyn himself had gone, a vote was taken on a motion not on the agenda, to exclude from the leadership vote anyone who joined the party in the past six months. So the 130,000 who signed up since Brexit, most of whom are thought to be Corbyn supporters, will be unable to vote.

Now whatever you think of Corbyn, this looks and smells like gerrymandering by his opponents.

Corbyn will definitely attempt to get the vote over-turned. And he may resort to the law, since Labour's website made clear that membership bought a vote.

As for those who joined since January, they will be revolting.

That said, if anyone wants to take part in the election, they now have two days to pay £25 and become a registered supporter.

Which is the first example of the much feared post-Brexit inflation, since till today it cost just £3 to be such a voting supporter.
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Mciahel Goodman said:
:lol:

They just took over your organisation?
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Yes, that's what they used to do, it was their MO, known as "entrism". Two Liverpudlian lads appeared one day and sat at the back, I knew right away what was going on. Militant were red-hot in Liverpool back in the 70s.

I didn't mind as I'd had enough of doing everything by then.
 
Penna said:
Yes, that's what they used to do, it was their MO, known as "entrism". Two Liverpudlian lads appeared one day and sat at the back, I knew right away what was going on. Militant were red-hot in Liverpool back in the 70s.

I didn't mind as I'd had enough of doing everything by then.
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Sounds a bit like Momentum today. Real old school communist tactics. Pretty interesting though.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I agree its a factor. I don't agree that its 'essentially for ease of administration as much as anything', but, people playing politics.

It doesn't matter who's pushing it, its bad form to take peoples money, tell them they can vote, and then retroactively decide they can't. In fact its worse than bad form, its fraud.
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If it states in the rulebook that the NEC decide the rules around leadership contests, then that takes primacy over some text on a website. If people didn't go and read the small print, it's their own problem. Joining the Labour party isn't solely about voting in a leadership election.

And look, someone thinks it's even a time for champagne.
 
Mozza said:
Executive has meeting and has vote, hows that embarrassing? What would a non embarrassing meeting look like?
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Embarrassing that Corbyn is alienating himself from the Labour Party...his MP's hate him and refuse to form his shadow cabinet and now he can only get 17 votes from the NEC. Complete joke. Long may he run.
 
Ubik said:
If it states in the rulebook that the NEC decide the rules around leadership contests, then that takes primacy over some text on a website. If people didn't go and read the small print, it's their own problem. Joining the Labour party isn't solely about voting in a leadership election.

And look, someone thinks it's even a time for champagne.
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I honestly can't believe you're defending it.

It's absolutely shocking.

Its shit like this why Labour's lost voters, btw, but apparently you're so blinded by your hatred of Corbyn you can't see it.
 
Marching said:
Either will do the Tories a power of good but Comrade Corbyn really does help remind the country of the dark days of us being ruled by the Unions.
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How times change, eh?
Today we had the new leader of the Tory party calling for compulsory worker's representatives on company boards.
The seventies unions were a natural reaction to shit governments and shit managements, maybe over the years a few lessons have been learned all round.
 
Ubik said:
If it states in the rulebook that the NEC decide the rules around leadership contests, then that takes primacy over some text on a website. If people didn't go and read the small print, it's their own problem. Joining the Labour party isn't solely about voting in a leadership election.
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Do you consciously just change your opinion on matters to suit your agenda or what?

"Some text on a website', they're taking money so unless the disclaimer is very clear which i can bet you it isnt then they'll at a minimum have to refund those fees.

Im pretty sure they could just refund rather than have to count these votes unless theres electoral law on the matter. Will they really refund that many new members?
 
Smores said:
Do you consciously just change your opinion on matters to suit your agenda or what?

"Some text on a website', they're taking money so unless the disclaimer is very clear which i can bet you it isnt then they'll at a minimum have to refund those fees.
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You want to point to me where I changed my opinion on this recently? Genuine question, I don't remember mentioning it before but if I did, my bad.
 
I'd sooner vote for May than Eagle. While I'd like the best for Labour and while I would like to vote for a party that I believe has the right values for a better society, I am by no means loyal.

I'd rather not vote Tory, but the way things are they're the ones who are best placed to lead this country, I feel.
 
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