Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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A secret ballot is a bit pathetic really, these people are representatives that should have to justify themselves.
This party is becoming beyond a joke
This party is becoming beyond a joke
not the party. The Blairites traitors you mean.
On a knife-edge by the looks of it, might even come down to whether Corbyn's allowed to vote!
Folk like McDonnell and Abbott have promoted secret ballots for years now.
And? Doesn't mean I don't think they're ridiculous. Sorry I forgot this was supposed to be #TeamCorby vs #TeamEagle (which does sound cooler to be fair)
Even the union reps are appointed. Non of them have a right to deny the knowledge of how they voted. The term 'representative' just seems to have gone out of the window.
This is going to be a shitstorm whatever happens.
Interesting. On the one hand, he has a right to be there. On the other, clear conflict of interest. I don't like this either way.
That's the kind of strength we need in a leader...oh wait
The whole way the Labour party (not Corbyn) have conducted themselves over the last 2 or 3 weeks is thoroughly embarrassing. I just sit there and cringe every time they're on the news. If only they could see themselves from the outside.
Yeah, Labour's pretty humpty-dumptied whatever by the looks of it.
Left the room now apparently. I wouldn't, they're politicians ffs surely they can be adults and stab him in the front as well as the back?
Imagine some wanted to undermine him by making him wait outside.
Imagine some wanted to undermine him by making him wait outside.
"We need to reach out and listen to ordinary people" Has a secret ballot to remove the leader they know will win
Crazy world we live in folks
Crazy world we live in folks
*Unless those ordinary people bring up support for the Iraq war and attempts to prevent an investigation into it
He might not be the leader after today. If he isn't, Labour will split. If he is, Labour will split.
Agreed.
"Corbyn doesn't connect with Labour voters"... (Eagle)
But please don't let him be on the ballot in a leadership contest as more people will vote for him...
You can never safely bet against Tom Watson.
Apologies for spamming the thread but I'm genuinely seething at this.
Not because I think he's some great leader but because I voted for him as did a majority of other members and we're being denied the power of our vote because of the PLP and their scheming. My voice clearly isn't welcome or of any importance anymore. Think I'm done.
Not because I think he's some great leader but because I voted for him as did a majority of other members and we're being denied the power of our vote because of the PLP and their scheming. My voice clearly isn't welcome or of any importance anymore. Think I'm done.
Disgraceful from the NEC, the whole thing is disgusting. They should all be ashamed of themselves.
edit - agree with you, Smores.
edit - agree with you, Smores.
The "anti rainbow-coalition" vote would probably see the Tories gain the largest majority in my lifetime.
Worth noting that even if they do rule that he has to seek nominations (and it's still a coin flip as to whether they do), there will be a lot of pressure on some MPs to do nominate him. Nominations are public, after all. And that would rebound badly on the rebels, as one of their key lines is that he doesn't have enough support left to carry on.
Yep. One of the biggest fallacies in politics these days is that every vote not for the Tories (or even UKIP) is pro-lefty.
Would he definitely not manage to get the 20% of MPs/ MEPs backing him? Corbynites on Twitter seem to think it's the end if he's not automatically on the ballot. That may be the case, but it's a ludicrous position for the leader of the party to be in.
What I don't understand about the left's capacity to rip shreds off each other:
As shit as I think she is, I'd rather have Angela Eagle as PM than Theresa May
As shit as I think she is, I'd rather have Angela Eagle as PM than Theresa May
If Corbyn is kept off the ballot, I'm done. I'm also open to having a different leader for a variety of different reasons, Jarvis, whoever. But not like this.
Eagle is less electable than Corbyn. That's how bad she is. Most of us who support Corbyn recognise that he'll struggle to win a GE (but that it's possible). Eagle has no chance in hell.
Funnily enough, renowned historian Ken Livingstone made some good arguments about it back in the day - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183579.stm - prevents fear or favour being used to influence votes.
I don't think it's as impossible as some suggest given he got 40 votes in the no confidence motion (though since then more than 5 MPs have changed their stance to against him) and there's still the 20 MEPs to take from as well. Plus Lisa Nandy voted against him, but said he should be on the ballot, and there'll be a few who think similarly.
Snap. I probably won't bother joining another party (I'd certainly be voting for one) but my money sure as hell won't be going to Labour anymore. Regardless of how little it matters in their coffers, if I wanted to spend money and my input mean next to nothing I'd sooner put it in a fruit machine. At least there is a slight chance I'll get something in return.
Kinnock Jnr telling supporters of Corbyn if you're a revolutionary socialist go away and form your own party.
It's not about whether he can get the nominations. It just means the PLP have power over electing the leader and can just overturn the members any time they have a strop. There's no respect for the members there.
Yeah, this is awful. No idea what I think is best at this point.
simply put. feck democracy
A "strop" from the PLP is pretty significant. It's not something they've done out of the blue because they don't think Jez dresses well.
I still think he'll be on, the secret ballot vote feels the same as Nigel Farage conceding on referendum night.
I understand it's their job and they need a decent working relationship and I even understand their selfish concerns for their jobs.
I can't forgive them going against the members and CLPs. That's not representation that's elitist rule.
They had a very easy route to go down, explain their concerns to the member base, set out their own merits/policy and then let them decide. That's not the route they've taken.
It's a middle finger to the membership though, regardless of how well founded their concerns are. I'd be willing to support a new leader, if it's put to the members and a new leader can make a solid case. Corbyn simply has to be on that ballot, though. Otherwise this is just illegitimate.
TBH it's tough to see THAT many voters from the 48% or so who voted centre/left in the last election defecting to the right at the time of Brexit; you'd think that any drift by Labour leave voters to UKIP/Cons would me matched by a Conservative (remain) -> Lib Dem/Lab switch.
Never felt so angry about politics as I am with this, disgusting behaviour from the NEC and the 172. If he's kept off the ballot I will never vote Labour.
If he's kept off the ballot I will never vote Labour."Presumably" is a stretch there, makes it slightly likelier but nothing stopping people on Corbyn's side agreeing with need for a secret ballot.