Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

I think the failed coup is showing that for all of Corbyn's blind incompetence (and there's a lot of it), the supposed more sensible, moderate figures within the party are also incredibly incompetent. Incompetent on a similar level to Corbyn himself, despite many of them having more frontline experience. Which should be evidenced by the fact that the last two leaders before Corbyn were both sort of incompetent in their own right.

I also think it's going to be hard for them to oust him now in favour of a candidate who hasn't put their name forward yet. I'd find it just a tad difficult to believe someone wants to be PM when they've already turned down two opportunities within the past year.
 
Shamwow said:
JC did well in PMQs today too. He seems to be doing better now that a large part of the PLP have decided to stop doing their jobs. I suspect he might have been getting 'bad advices' as Arnie would put it.
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Maybe. Also I don't know how much truth is in this but on that Vice doc Seamus Milne(Corbyn strategist ?)had said someone was leaking Corbyn questions to the Tories. Can't of helped(If it's true)
 
Cheesy said:
I think the failed coup is showing that for all of Corbyn's blind incompetence (and there's a lot of it), the supposed more sensible, moderate figures within the party are also incredibly incompetent. Incompetent on a similar level to Corbyn himself, despite many of them having more frontline experience. Which should be evidenced by the fact that the last two leaders before Corbyn were both sort of incompetent in their own right.

I also think it's going to be hard for them to oust him now in favour of a candidate who hasn't put their name forward yet. I'd find it just a tad difficult to believe someone wants to be PM when they've already turned down two opportunities within the past year.
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You are correct, Labour as a whole has reached a state of critical incompetence. That's clear in Scotland, it would be clear in Wales if there was any opposition worthy of the name, and it's clear in Westminster. The PLP is dismissive of the membership, and the membership is dismissive of the public. The NEC is now studied using a kind of Kremlinology, tallying up which members are pro-Corbyn and which are anti-, and that's the stage where it's likely to be decided whether Corbyn is or isn't on a leadership ballot. None of it works, and hasn't been working for many years now, but it continues to lumber on partly because of the romanticism of past achievements, partly because of the stark electoral reality that it would face if starting afresh.

Think we better get used to the idea of a fair few years of May.
 


Okay, I can officially now give up all hope.
 
Shamwow said:
JC did well in PMQs today too. He seems to be doing better now that a large part of the PLP have decided to stop doing their jobs. I suspect he might have been getting 'bad advices' as Arnie would put it.
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The chap who made that Vice documentary said that he never saw a single member of the PLP anywhere near Corbyn or his offices. I think it is fair to say that neither side were interested in working together.
 
Ubik said:
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There's still this

Although I image the tweet you posted is right as any Labour voters who don't like Corbyn will just simply vote for other party(Lib Dems or maybe the Tories)rather than becoming a member to vote in a leadership race.
 
Sweet Square said:
There's still this

Although I image the tweet you posted is right as any Labour voters who don't like Corbyn will just simply vote for other party(Lib Dems or maybe the Tories)rather than becoming a member to vote in a leadership race.
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Me for example.

Edit: it's not that I don't like Corbyn, it's just that the party is doomed. I actually do like him.
 
He still has to go. Purely, because the situation just isn't tenable. I do really like the guy though, and have the utmost respect for him. Disappointed that he didn't lead a strong campaign to keep Britain in the EU, but I think in the grand scheme of things, this doesn't tarnish my opinion of him much.
 
Sweet Square said:
There's still this

Although I image the tweet you posted is right as any Labour voters who don't like Corbyn will just simply vote for other party(Lib Dems or maybe the Tories)rather than becoming a member to vote in a leadership race.
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Whilst it's impossible to put a definite figure on it, using random samples I imagine you can get a pretty good idea. At the same time it may also be a lot of membership renewals going through, as it was at about this point last year that the membership really began to surge with Corbmentum (original tweet says "applications" rather than confirmed new individual members).

But in general, looking at whatever bits of qualitative evidence there is around, I don't see enough turning against him for anything to come of it. My own CLP branch, for instance, emailed demanding an emergency meeting earlier this week to express its undying support.
 
Shame. Many more years of Conservatives doing whatever they please with that pointless hippy at the helm of the supposed opposition.
 
Ubik said:


Okay, I can officially now give up all hope.
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My town has always been one for Labour. Huge numbers of people locally are signing up and paying the monthly subscription in support of Corbyn. I must have counted 20+ comment on my own Mum's facebook status about it saying they had joined.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Shame. Many more years of Conservatives doing whatever they please with that pointless hippy at the helm of the supposed opposition.
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Aye the tories must be relieved they won't have to face the strength of the mighty Angela Eagle.
 
She does have the advantage, of course, of never having appeared to public praise terrorist organisations (to my knowledge, at least).

I'm sure the Tories (and their press) will be nice come election time and forget Jeremy (and his chief of strategy and comms) did this. I'm also sure they won't tie this directly to John McDonnell's statements on the IRA. Nope, that would be well beneath them.
 
endless_wheelies said:
True, I would hope she was just a "best at short notice" option though.
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Sounds just like the Leave voters, commiting to radical action without developing a plan of action and downplaying negative impacts. All these members coming over here and taking over our party.

"Make Labour New Again"
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is irrelevant. Those are the conditions any party that is going to beat the Tories will have to operate in.

McDonell have given enough anumition in the past year for Murdoch to get the job done. Let alone digging into Corbyn's past.
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Which politicians wouldn't provide Murdoch enough anumition and should we be limiting ourselves to them?
 
Red Dreams said:
hmmm. Hamas are the elected representatives of the Palestinians in Gaza. Heck I suppose we can call all the Palestinians there terrorists then. Just like Iranians call America terrorists...blah blah.

ahh well.
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The killing of jews is explicitly encouraged in their covenant.

Again, the Tories won't bring any of this up so it'll all be totally fine.
 
Smores said:
Sounds just like the Leave voters, commiting to radical action without developing a plan of action and downplaying negative impacts. All these members coming over here and taking over our party.

"Make Labour New Again"
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Don't really care about Labour tbh, all I know is the Conservatives are in charge of the biggest overhaul of our legal and economic framework in history and we need a strong Labour to keep them honest, maybe even challenge the overhaul itself.

Under Corbyn Labour is an irrelevance.
 
Red Dreams said:
Most of these Middle Eastern countries see the Jews and the United States as evil. So what.

You Can live with your enemies. To put up these mental blocks is what brings about more bloodshed.
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I'm not commenting one way or the other on the morality of it here, I'm saying he's going to get eviscerated in a general election campaign. This is but one example. And that's before taking into consideration that he's already the least liked leader of the opposition since Foot.
 
Ubik said:
I'm not commenting one way or the other on the morality of it here, I'm saying he's going to get eviscerated in a general election campaign. This is but one example. And that's before taking into consideration that he's already the least liked leader of the opposition since Foot.
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Corbyn is not aggressive or effective. But he has a couple of qualities that every other Labour leader lacks. Decency and Courage. I will vote for 'Corbyn' every time.

As for the Torries. Cameron had the nerve to say to Corbyn "For Heaven's sake just go"

Corbyn should have asked Cameron. "Why did you not hang yourself? Why are you still alive?"
 
Red Dreams said:
Corbyn is not aggressive or effective. But he has a couple of qualities that every other Labour leader lacks. Decency and Courage. I will vote for 'Corbyn' every time.

As for the Torries. Cameron had the nerve to say to Corbyn "For Heaven's sake just go"

Corbyn should have asked Cameron. "Why did you not hang yourself? Why are you still alive?"
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Would've gone down well on the six o'clock news.
 
Ubik said:
You are correct, Labour as a whole has reached a state of critical incompetence. That's clear in Scotland, it would be clear in Wales if there was any opposition worthy of the name, and it's clear in Westminster. The PLP is dismissive of the membership, and the membership is dismissive of the public. The NEC is now studied using a kind of Kremlinology, tallying up which members are pro-Corbyn and which are anti-, and that's the stage where it's likely to be decided whether Corbyn is or isn't on a leadership ballot. None of it works, and hasn't been working for many years now, but it continues to lumber on partly because of the romanticism of past achievements, partly because of the stark electoral reality that it would face if starting afresh.

Think we better get used to the idea of a fair few years of May.
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Pretty much. The party needs reform from top to bottom: problem is, the vast majority of the party seem interested only in their own agendas, with the blind belief that replacing one figure is going to fix a much, much deeper problem.

Looking back, Blair/Brown should've implemented PR. Naturally, they were never going to do it because it's easy to be short-sighted when you're strolling to majorities, but it'd have been the single best way to deny Tory majorities. I don't see how the current party can continue to function: the membership and the majority of the party just disagree too extremely.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is irrelevant. Those are the conditions any party that is going to beat the Tories will have to operate in.

McDonell have given enough anumition in the past year for Murdoch to get the job done. Let alone digging into Corbyn's past.
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Perhaps, although the Tories are always going to eventually find their way in after a few years if an opposition party is perfectly willing to abide by Tory ways and methods. Media spin etc is largely heaven for the Tories due to the dirty tactics they'll happily employ. To fight against that effectively requires a very, very strong Labour party, and an incredibly weak Tory one.

A strong Labour party with a viable leader just doesn't exist right now, and it simply isn't going to in the current state. Anyone who thinks it will is largely just as idealistic and wishful as any Corbyn supporter they'd accuse of being the same.
 
Looks like it was a Labour MP who was shouting down Corbyn during his measured response to the Chilcot report yesterday in the commons, Ian Austin MP for Dudley.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-iraq-war-after-publication-of-a7122871.html

Fecking disgrace. If you read his twitter the guy very quickly comes across as a complete idiot. This is the image the PLP are sending out to the world right now, anyone who thinks those associated to this coup will come out of it strongly is naive.
 
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