Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

NinjaFletch said:
Yeah. Like, I quite like Angela Eagle, she seems ok, but what has she got about her that makes anyway thinks she's more of a leader than Corbyn?
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Less gaffe prone maybe, that's about it. Not that it matters but she has a fecking annoying voice!
 
All this happened at a meeting to discuss anti-semitism? :wenger:

Jeremy Corbyn has to be a marmite of sorts. There are some who believe he can do no wrong and there are some who believe he can only do wrong. Reading this thread, before the reports of misquoting came out, posters were saying, 'so what is he said that, that's not antisemitic'. After the reports of misquoting came about, it became 'Well there you go, press had had it in him, he would never say that'.

His PR team must be fecking nuts to allow a situation to turn a meeting on anti semitism to a discussion on whether he's an anti semite or not.
 
@Ubik dunno if you have me blocked but respect to your main woman Liz Kendall for not getting sucked into all the bollocks that's going on.
 
His words may have been seized on by an over-eager press, but it's pretty mental that everyone in his team seemingly signed off happily on such an obviously misconstruable line.

Whatever his intentions, he just didn't need to go there.
 
"I welcome this report you've been very brave Shami in refusing to raise the temperature of the witch hunt that has been going on in this anti-Semitism debate. I saw that the Telegraph handed a copy of a press release to Ruth Smeeth MP so you can see who is working hand in hand."

What that Labour member actually said that cause the MP to walk out of the anti-semitism meeting.
 
Mockney said:
His words may have been seized on by an over-eager press, but it's pretty mental that everyone in his team seemingly signed off happily on such an obviously misconstruable line.

Whatever his intentions, he just didn't need to go there.
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Judging from that Vice documentary, what his team want seems to matter very little.
 
Mockney said:
His words may have been seized on by an over-eager press, but it's pretty mental that everyone in his team seemingly signed off happily on such an obviously misconstruable line.

Whatever his intentions, he just didn't need to go there.
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To be fair, he hired Seumas Milne to handle his PR.
 
Shamwow said:
"I welcome this report you've been very brave Shami in refusing to raise the temperature of the witch hunt that has been going on in this anti-Semitism debate. I saw that the Telegraph handed a copy of a press release to Ruth Smeeth MP so you can see who is working hand in hand."

What that Labour member actually said that cause the MP to walk out of the anti-semitism meeting.
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Just been reading more in this and what happened was the man was handing out some sort of press release calling for anti-corbyn MPs to be deselected. He refused to give one to the MP in question and then she was handed a copy by a Telegraph journalist (the one who tweeted about the incident.)
 
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Shamwow said:
Just been reading more in this and what happened was the man was handing out some sort of press release calling for anti-corbyn MPs to be respected. He refused to give one to the MP in question and then she was handed a copy by a Telegraph journalist (the one who tweeted about the incident.)
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Depends on the source I guess:

Ruth Smeeth this morning left a Labour anti-Semitism event after being accused by a Momentum activist of working “hand-in-hand” with the media to damage Corbyn.

Momentum is the pro-Corbyn pressure group set up to defend his leadership of the party. Activist Marc Wadswoth had distributed a leaflet at the event which branded MPs trying to unseat Corbyn as “traitors”.

The scene unfolded as Wadswoth defended not giving a copy of a press release which attacked “troublemaking careerist Labour MPs”.

“I saw the Telegraph handed a copy of a press release to Ruth Smeeth MP, you can see who is working hand-in-hand,” he said.

The comment was met with heckles in the room and shouts of “how dare you”. Smeeth left the room.

Corbyn had moments earlier said there was no place for the suggestion Jewish people were part of any “media conspiracy”.

He had also earlier tweeted that MPs should not be subject to personal abuse.

Asked about the description of MPs as “traitors” by Momentum, the group that supports his leadership of Labour, Corbyn said he wanted “no abuse, no name calling, none of that kind of behavior.” He added: “I don’t like the use of the world traitor.”
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...cs&section=uk_politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics
 
Mockney said:
His words may have been seized on by an over-eager press, but it's pretty mental that everyone in his team seemingly signed off happily on such an obviously misconstruable line.

Whatever his intentions, he just didn't need to go there.
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Maybe from a press strategy perspective. They should by now know what they are up against.

But the amount of twisting that has had to take place for this to turn into an anti Corbyn story is ridiculous:

You not only have to deliberately misquote him, but you also have to utterly ignore the context of the misquote (he was saying that just as we shouldn't blame Muslims for the actions of x, we shouldn't blame Jews for the actions of the Israeli state). Even if he had said Islamic State, its an evocation against anti-Semitism, not an example of it.
 
They have to use smears on Corbyn because they can't implicate him in any actual scandals without having to lie.
 
Shamwow said:
They have to use smears on Corbyn because they can't implicate him in any actual scandals without having to lie.
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Smears and spin, because, as you say, his record is pretty flawless when it comes to scandals. Media hatchet job in overdrive.
 
Looked very shook on the news last night. Comedy of errors type appearance of his backroom team not making it look any better either. Have to say though, it's hard to not go all conspiracy theorist on it and see it in the light of Chilcot. I was surprised today to have so many conversations at work along those lines.
 
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Currently doing the rounds on Twitter. Definitely some spinning going on, no doubt about it.
 
That reads like something written by LabourEoin.
 
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterso...domain-names?utm_term=.qt6BRxQm8B#.ewXEdbRxgE

Eagle's spokesperson insisted that while the politician did know McCrea personally, she was unaware that he had bought the domain names, hadn't authorised their purchase, and suggested he may have got "excited" on Saturday.

When contacted by BuzzFeed News and asked whether he had bought the domains on behalf of Eagle, McCrea talked briefly before saying "thank you very much, goodbye," and putting down the phone.

When called again to clarify whether he bought the domains with the support of Angela Eagle, McCrea said he was looking after his son, said it was unacceptable to call him back while he was looking after his son, and requested not to be contacted again.
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Well, at least they'll struggle to de-select Umunna when the revolution comes.
 
I think whichever side your loyalty is, we can all agree Labour are truly terrible at trying to oust their leaders.
 
Ubik said:


Well, at least they'll struggle to de-select Umunna when the revolution comes.
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I don't think any of the really prominent Labour politicians are in too much trouble. Their constituents will back them.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I think whichever side your loyalty is, we can all agree Labour are truly terrible at trying to oust their leaders.
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Aye, even those in here who dislike Corbyn must be displeased. By trying to force him out rather than quickly calling a leadership challenge they've damaged their own reputation and may have pushed more support to Corbyn.

I'm wondering whether they'll continue this strategy in hope. They're not even confident their new choice can get elected by the party members nevermind the country :lol:
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I think whichever side your loyalty is, we can all agree Labour are truly terrible at trying to oust their leaders.
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To be fair this was a pretty perfect ousting attempt for any leader of a major political party in recent history. It was said the other day that John Smith didn't feel it was necessary to put in the rulebook that a no-confidence vote automatically resulted in the leader getting the boot, it was just seen as a given (for comparison, IDS lost his no-confidence vote "only" 90-75). Ditto if you can't string together enough MPs to fill a front bench whilst in opposition.

Corbyn's reign is just all-round odd.
 
Ubik said:


Well, at least they'll struggle to de-select Umunna when the revolution comes.
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I fecking hate Umunna. I'll sign up to the Labour party just to get rid of that smug bellend as my MP.
 
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