I can tell them Corbyn's Brexit policy will make things a fecking sight worse for them if that helps.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I can tell them Corbyn's Brexit policy will make things a fecking sight worse for them if that helps.
I was half joking that some corbynista would blame brexit on Blair... Seems i was half right... It's the blairites ...
Which isn't relevant to anything at all.
The question at hand is whether you can support organisations that involve themselves in violent means and kill civilians and claim to be a "man of peace", or not. Pointing out he thinks racial segregation is a bad idea has nothing to do with anything.
Everyone wants to see peaceful solutions. Even those involved in violence want to see peace, that's how these things work. Nobody is at war for the fun of it. There isn't a member of Hamas who thinks "Actually, deep down this is all quite fun all this bloodshed". Nobody in the IRA said "United Ireland would be good but to be honest I'd be sad to have to get rid of the semtex"
But this is what we get every time someone dares to pay attention to anything Corbyn says. It's fine he honours terrorists because....he's previously spoken out against US meddling in South America. There's nothing to see when he honours those who were responsible for killing British citiziens because.....he didn't like Apartheid.
Things aren't going to get worse for the 110,000 people who have been killed by austerity, nor the millions of people who are only a sliver a bad luck from the same fate. This condescending nonsense isn't going to be met with a eureka moment where people realise that voting for europhiles is going to solve all our problems, it's going to be met with, as the Lib Dems are finding out, a cold shoulder and disgust as to how anyone can be so out of touch.
oh good, you see where Jeremy's coming from
This page is a very good example why of liberals/centrists are fecked.
Now your talking some sense.
Everyone in the UK is against nuclear proliferation. What about our own nukes, will Corbyn scrap them? His manifesto says he would replace trident, so as it stands if you voted for him you voted for more nukes, but just like Brexit, let's pretend otherwise.
Just in time for their new party, apparently.
Wait, so the Labour remain campaign wasn't run by Alan Johnson, who refused Momentum's help because they backed Corbyn? What a crazy dream that was.
Is that before or after you've finished explaining to them why they need to rally around the remainers' favourite MPs like austerity enablers Anna Soubry and Vince Cable? Or Yvette Cooper, the architect of the 'tougher' Work Capability Assessments?
It's all they have. Every conversation eventually gets round to Tony Blair. Or Iraq. There's an ideology vacuum on the left where now a whole generation of political active 20/30-somethings seem to have little to say on anything if they're not talking about Tony Blair. What was that game where in 6 steps you could link any celebrity to Kevin Bacon. Speak with any Corbynite for any length of time on any political subject and they're only really interested when the conversation gets to the bit where they say "Illegal war in Iraq!"
replace brexit with blair
also iraq was a war crime but i guess that's okay because it's only bad when muslims and the irish kill people
He also said nothing about abolishing the monarchy, therefore I am now a monarchist. Goodbye Republic membership. Hello shitty Union Jack jacket.
keep up this was like a million stories ago: https://www.independent.co.uk/leade...axman-monarchy-not-on-my-agenda-a7762281.html
elitist scum
I’ve never said he doesn’t call for negotiations and dialogue, it’s his go-to platitude in every public utterance he makes on this topic. In this article though, he’s calling on the UK to talk to Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. as well as Israel, while endorsing pretty much all of their maximalist demands (the desire to actually send the Jews packing aside). It’s an endorsement of a Palestinian victory as the key to peace, it’s what he’s always advocated. There’s nothing there for Zionists Jews to look at and think it might be worth their while engaging with this guy, not that Corbyn has ever tried.
What I’m looking for is some indication that he understands that Zionism has a broad appeal that has nothing to do with racism, Jewish supremacy, or waking up in the morning and wondering how best to inflict suffering on Palestinians today, and that this appeal must be accounted for in the dialogue and negotiations that he’s always going on about. Can you dig up just one example over the many years Corbyn has been involved in pro-Palestinian activism that suggests he sees Zionism as in any sense a legitimate expression of the Jewish desire for national self-determination? It wouldn’t have to have him actually accepting Zionism as legitimate, just even a passing comment that suggests he understands in some way why so many Jews identify with Israel? Without that his calls for negotiations and dialogue appear insincere to me, and this feeling is only strengthened by his long association with the likes of George Galloway, Seamus Milne, Azzam Tamimi, the Palestinian Solidarity Movement, etc. and all the other problematic associations and activities that have come to light in recent months.
The most surprising thing to me about the 'new' left, again not necessarily Corbyn himself but the generation of acolytes he has in their 20s and 30s, is how little interest they actually take in politics beyond attacking those critical of the man himself. There really isn't a lot of talk in those circles about Brexit, or even really what the Tory party are doing. What they care about is:
- Who's being mean to Jeremy
- Why are they being mean to Jeremy
- What can we do to stop them being mean to Jeremy
Everything else is of secondary concern. Really it doesn't really take long to browse the various social media accounts to see how close to the truth that actually is.
- Who's being mean to Jeremy
- Why are they being mean to Jeremy
- What can we do to stop them being mean to Jeremy
Everything else is of secondary concern. Really it doesn't really take long to browse the various social media accounts to see how close to the truth that actually is.
but he's just so cute, they fact that neoliberalism has fecked us definitely has nothing to do with it
I don't know, it wasn't in his manifesto, I only said you voted for a Brexit-supporting Trident-buyer, despite apparently not wanting Brexit or nuclear weapons.
This is the same argument that's used to argue that tory 2015 votes are personally responsible for Brexit, and it's really offensive to people who had all sorts of sociopathic reasons for voting for them.
sorry i'm really stupid boss that's why i like jeremi
I do think Cameron's call for a referendum was a good reason not to vote for him, yes. Don't really understand the rest, sorry.
So that's a 'no', then?
It's the new 'PC gone mad'. Something people say because other people say it.
Rice gone up 4p a pack? PC gone mad!
I can't find my fecking socks, it's this bastard neoliberalism what's done it!
Who did you vote for, out of interest?
it's where it's blairism and and the more blairist is it the more neoliberal is
no i'm not going to answer your stupid condescending questions about free market liberalism, feel free to take it one of your little lib dem meetings, maybe you can talk about it between sessions of congratulating each other for being so damn reasonable
Private Eye.
It was a joke about how there are a lot of horrible reasons to vote for the conservative party.
It's not a stupid question because on the previous page you dismissed @711's concerns about Brexit, minimising the importance vs other things. Or as you put it:
"I'm glad Brexit is the biggest worry in your life but the rest of us aren't going to guarantee a tory victory by voting for the fecking lib dems."
Now if you actually had an understanding of what neoliberalism means and think that " neoliberalism has fecked us definitely", how could you not see the Brexit pursued by the Tory party and championed by the likes of Rees-Mogg that'd happily see us turn into a deregulated tax haven as the biggest threat the society?
Dismissing the importance of Brexit whilst simultaneously blaming our ills on neoliberalism definitely indicates that you don't know what at least one of those terms mean. And if I were a betting man I'd say you probably know what Brexit is.
I voted Liberal in the last election, although I've voted Labour more often in the past. As for the future I don't know. I stuck with Labour when others left for the SDP, but I feel it's different this time, I can see both major parties splitting in the next couple of years. I doubt a Corbyn Labour could win outright power, but a coalition is possible, and who knows, it might be for the best.
Luckily, all of the people you'll ever get to admit they voted Tory all explained in that little comments box on the ballot paper, that this didn't mean they agree with targeting the nation's most vulnerable people with savage cuts for the years prior.
Oh sorry, I'll try and keep up.
I was disputing the assertion that labour voters voted on the basis of and are responsible for brexit. It's really astounding that you would try to insult someone's intelligence while displaying such extraordinary levels reading incomprehension.
I didn't try to insult you, I successfully demonstrated you don't know what neoliberal means. You're not alone. Nobody who ever uses it knows what it means. In fact you can always tell the people who don't know what it means as they're the only person who use it. They think it means "Blair" or something.
see what i mean about reading comprehension
or was there a word limit, professor?
How do you manage to get around in life with such a big head, walking through doors must be a killer, no ? Sorry to say this Oscie but your just as thick as the rest of us.
this would explain most economists
No I said you didn't understand what it means not that you couldn't google it. Hence dismissing Brexit as a concern, something that would likely see the biggest ever deregulation of the market, loss of protections from consumers, low corporate taxation and an even greater concentration of capital at the top - and instead think what really is the problem is "neoliberalism"
There's nothing more ideologically neoliberal than Brexit. Yet the answer to everything is the man who wants to do very little to stop this neoliberal wet dream from happening because we should instead be focusing on the ills of neoliberalism.
Again, I was dismissing the idea that people who voted for Labour are responsible for Brexit, as I did here for a similar argument
seriously, learn to fecking read
I mean...it's quite clear that it's a modern form of liberalism with a heavy preference for free-market capitalism. We know what it means.
You certainly didn't dismiss it. You claimed other factors outweighed Brexit, which is a valid opinion, but not one that absolves you of responsibility. Brexit is Corbyn's policy and if you voted for him that's what you voted for.