30 million? he does not push the envelope in the creative midfielder dept.
he is.....Villa quality.
he is.....Villa quality.
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He has so much potential.
After all this time, you would think people would just blindly trust Fergie.
It definitely seems we're interested. The story has that 'feel'
Milner is very highly rated amongst managers, pundits and scouts.
After all this time, you would think people would just blindly trust Fergie.
It definitely seems we're interested. The story has that 'feel'
Milner is very highly rated amongst managers, pundits and scouts.
Then pulled the same one that we did the same summer with Ronaldinho and offer them less than the agreed upon sum after the deal was done sadly, at least we willing to pay the 12.24 mil for Ronaldo though, made what could have been an awful summer of heart turn into us watching a world star become one and take the side on his back whilst doing so winning trophy after trophy. That said had United signed both Ronaldinho and kept Veron with RvN at the front they would have probably won the CL the next year.
See this just makes me laugh. On the whole SAF always steers us in a positive direction, of course he does. He makes mistakes in the transfer market or in squad selection or tactics all the time though. So this blind faith stuff is just bollocks, and regardless, it's not like what we think has any influence on him anyway. This site is just a place for us to share our opinions.
well of course SAF gets a lot more right than wrong. So how many of us are thrilled with Berbatov.
tbf, I used to think he was a pretty decent player when he was Newcastle. He is in teh England squad. (?)
not saying he is crap. why not go for a playmaker a couple of tiers higher.
tbf, I used to think he was a pretty decent player when he was Newcastle. He is in teh England squad. (?)
not saying he is crap. why not go for a playmaker a couple of tiers higher.
We did. We just thought we had better options on our wings. Besides, we are looking at him for an entirely different role to that he played at Leeds.
Well the pundits don't know their arse from their elbow and he's clearly not rated all that by top managers or else they'd have bought him.
He was a kid.. Fabregas apart its usually very difficult to make it as a young centre mid and no one knew he could play that position.
People saw him as a J.Cole type tricksy winger.. with goals and good passing on him. He just didn't have the pace to really cut it as a top class winger and he still doesn't.
As a midfielder he has grown beyond recognition, Capello who has managed most of the worlds best stars talks about this kid like he is potential gold and I trust his judgement.
Eh.. he's only just developed into a quality player.. so nows the time to see if top managers do want him. I'd hold judgement.
I have changed my mind over Milner after watching him play in the middle. I think he has been fantastic. I would love us to sign him...even for £20M.
From The Independant today...
Petrov: Villa have to show ambition and keep Milner
By Mark Fleming
Tuesday, 27 April 2010
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The Aston Villa captain Stiliyan Petrov has challenged the club's management to demonstrate the extent of their ambitions by keeping the midfielder James Milner out of the clutches of potential suitors such as Manchester United and Manchester City.
Milner, 24, was voted the Professional Footballers' Association Young Player of the Year on Sunday night in recognition of the outstanding season he has enjoyed, particularly since he moved into a more central role. Milner's form, coupled with his versatility, has made him a strong contender to be included in Fabio Capello's England squad for this summer's World Cup.
Petrov wants the Villa manager Martin O'Neill and chairman Randy Lerner to act decisively to ensure the club do not suffer a repeat of last summer, when Gareth Barry was sold to Manchester City. Milner is in the middle of a four-year deal and is due to have talks over a new contract in the summer.
"If the club wants to go forward," Petrov said, "we need to keep our best players like any big team – Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, they've tried to hold on to their best players and I hope our chairman and manager will do their best to keep our good players as well. It is very important we keep James. We have got a lot of talent at this club, which has cost a lot of money. We need to make sure they are happy and stay here.
"If we try to match his ambition, and the club show they are doing things the right way, I don't think James will go somewhere else. People say that if Manchester United coming knocking at your door it's a different question, then the manager and the player need to make a decision. He can play in any team and at that level, but we hope he will stay with us."
Villa's 1-0 victory over Birmingham on Sunday, thanks to Milner's late penalty, meant that O'Neill's side have taken 13 points from five games since a 7-1 defeat at Chelsea that appeared to have ended their chances of finishing in the top four. Petrov said comments made by Chelsea captain John Terry after that game, about Villa's tendency to tire after 60 minutes, has helped motivate the team to prove him wrong.
"People have been talking about whether we get tired but in the last few games we've shown we are getting even fitter," Petrov said. "I think John Terry's comments have made us even stronger, made us work even harder. That's what will drive us until the end. We're still in the mix. It's up to us now.
"I think the other teams are worried as well because they were probably looking behind, thinking we weren't in it. I remarked four or five weeks ago, when people were writing us off, that there would be plenty of twists and turns and that's what happened."
Petrov: Villa have to show ambition and keep Milner
By Mark Fleming
Tuesday, 27 April 2010
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The Aston Villa captain Stiliyan Petrov has challenged the club's management to demonstrate the extent of their ambitions by keeping the midfielder James Milner out of the clutches of potential suitors such as Manchester United and Manchester City.
Milner, 24, was voted the Professional Footballers' Association Young Player of the Year on Sunday night in recognition of the outstanding season he has enjoyed, particularly since he moved into a more central role. Milner's form, coupled with his versatility, has made him a strong contender to be included in Fabio Capello's England squad for this summer's World Cup.
Petrov wants the Villa manager Martin O'Neill and chairman Randy Lerner to act decisively to ensure the club do not suffer a repeat of last summer, when Gareth Barry was sold to Manchester City. Milner is in the middle of a four-year deal and is due to have talks over a new contract in the summer.
"If the club wants to go forward," Petrov said, "we need to keep our best players like any big team – Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, they've tried to hold on to their best players and I hope our chairman and manager will do their best to keep our good players as well. It is very important we keep James. We have got a lot of talent at this club, which has cost a lot of money. We need to make sure they are happy and stay here.
"If we try to match his ambition, and the club show they are doing things the right way, I don't think James will go somewhere else. People say that if Manchester United coming knocking at your door it's a different question, then the manager and the player need to make a decision. He can play in any team and at that level, but we hope he will stay with us."
Villa's 1-0 victory over Birmingham on Sunday, thanks to Milner's late penalty, meant that O'Neill's side have taken 13 points from five games since a 7-1 defeat at Chelsea that appeared to have ended their chances of finishing in the top four. Petrov said comments made by Chelsea captain John Terry after that game, about Villa's tendency to tire after 60 minutes, has helped motivate the team to prove him wrong.
"People have been talking about whether we get tired but in the last few games we've shown we are getting even fitter," Petrov said. "I think John Terry's comments have made us even stronger, made us work even harder. That's what will drive us until the end. We're still in the mix. It's up to us now.
"I think the other teams are worried as well because they were probably looking behind, thinking we weren't in it. I remarked four or five weeks ago, when people were writing us off, that there would be plenty of twists and turns and that's what happened."
Villa will make us pay some serious money if we indeed decide to go for him, but feck it, let's get him signed. Can play right across the midfield, adds some serious quality to the centre of the park, English, only 24 years of age, won't dream of moving to Real Madrid - sign him.
Villa will demand at least £20m though.
Villa will demand at least £20m though.
I'm just comparing that if Carrick was worth 16m... I'd certainly pay 20m for Milner. His form in the CM this season has been superb and certainly gets recognition. Still.... if we can cough up a few more and get..... GOURCUFF who I think should be our United Zidane, then byebye Milner.
Milner would add some goals from central midfield, but will most likely prove our "value for money" talk to be rubbish. Still, when top clubs go out and spend big they tend to be successful. So as long as Milner isnt the only midfielder coming in, over the odds or no, then I'm on board because he is a good player. Just not the playmaker I think should be our priority. As without one its asking a lot from Scholes next season...
Have we ever actually been linked with Gourcuff?
Tribal bolox has said we're in the race with Mancity.
Let's beg that Tottenham get that last Champions League spot then!
according to wiki he's got 24 goals in around 245 games...10 at villa in 70 games..so i'm not sure we can say he'll offer many more goals but he's shown he's a good player. A grafter too. He's completely overpriced but he's English and that's the reason.
We still have cleverly to come back who's very promising so it will be interesting to see what we do
I think that as soon as the Villa players begin discussing the transfer then we know there's something to it.
Petrov says, "If we try to match his ambition, and the club shows they are doing things the right way, i don't think he'll go somewhere else."
Well, if a player's ambition dictates that he wants top level football, then Villa will never be able to match us at that; much like Barry before him, if a big club comes knocking then there will be a deal to be struck. I can't see City being interested in Milner, but IMO he'd fit right into our United team.
I don't agree with those writing him off as not being 'United quality', or those claiming that he wouldn't improve our squad. He's already proven that he can score goals, and he's proven that he can create them, he's been doing both all season right here in the Premier League. He's won the PFA:YPY for a reason, and that reason is because he's led that Villa team to a position in which, two games from the end of the season, they're in the running for a Champions League spot, so anyone still disputing his talent must know very little about Premier League football.
Anyone complaining about his price needs to realise that nobody comes cheap; £20m is no longer a large sum of money for an establised Premier League player; we can complain about expensive English players and muppet around after foreign alternatives all we like, but i believe that with James Milner we'd be getting exactly what we pay for; not a young foreign potential with no English league experience and a craving for sunny weather, but the top performer from one of England's top clubs, trained to English standards by one of the English game's top managers.
I for one would be delighted to see him sign for us.
Petrov says, "If we try to match his ambition, and the club shows they are doing things the right way, i don't think he'll go somewhere else."
Well, if a player's ambition dictates that he wants top level football, then Villa will never be able to match us at that; much like Barry before him, if a big club comes knocking then there will be a deal to be struck. I can't see City being interested in Milner, but IMO he'd fit right into our United team.
I don't agree with those writing him off as not being 'United quality', or those claiming that he wouldn't improve our squad. He's already proven that he can score goals, and he's proven that he can create them, he's been doing both all season right here in the Premier League. He's won the PFA:YPY for a reason, and that reason is because he's led that Villa team to a position in which, two games from the end of the season, they're in the running for a Champions League spot, so anyone still disputing his talent must know very little about Premier League football.
Anyone complaining about his price needs to realise that nobody comes cheap; £20m is no longer a large sum of money for an establised Premier League player; we can complain about expensive English players and muppet around after foreign alternatives all we like, but i believe that with James Milner we'd be getting exactly what we pay for; not a young foreign potential with no English league experience and a craving for sunny weather, but the top performer from one of England's top clubs, trained to English standards by one of the English game's top managers.
I for one would be delighted to see him sign for us.
He could be good for us.
Can't imagine him being fantastic though. Could be wrong.
Can't imagine him being fantastic though. Could be wrong.
Chamez Milnero from Astoni Villareal, he'd the better option 
You do have to bare in mind that he's only been playing central midfield this season. And he's got 7 in the league from that position. You also have to take into account that several of them are penalties... Still, he has proven he can finish better than most of our central midfielders. I dont think its out of the question that he could get 8-10 goals as 1 of our 3 central midfielders next season, from open play as he probably wont be taking pens. Its not exactly Scholes in his prime but its a few more than our other midfielders tend to get.
The grafting will always be useful, but its surely a lower priority when you consider we have Fletcher and if Anderson is going to step up to the next level he'd provide something similar. We could really use someone to help us hold on to the ball and dominate midfield with our passing. Scholes can do it in part but he doesnt manage it every game and he cant play every game. And if we had another similar player in our 3 we could make it a 2 man job and make it easier on him as well as grooming his eventual replacement. For example Scholes playing his deep lying playmaker role he's been playing this season and then someone like Modric playing in front of him, next to Fletcher, Anderson or Milner or whoever. And then when Scholes is suspended, injured or needs a rest Modric could take on the role himself and fill in for him. Thats the kind of player I feel should take priority over "grafters" and players to add a few more goals from midfield. But if we got both then fair enough.
While I don't disagree with anything you said there, I just wanted us to go for someone who was Fabregas type playmaker rather than a Fletcher type box to box. Milner is a very promising player and will slot right in, but will he massively improve our midfield when Scholsy calls it a day?
I'd love it if we sign him, but I'd like another tricky player in the midfield. Either from the center or the wings. I think if we make the right signings this summer, we have the sqaud to not only win next year, but win at a ganter.
Milner would be a decent signing.
Martin O'Neil is a top manager.
He's 24. He will be snapped up by us soon!
Milner is PFA Young Player of the Year
We'll be in a race with Man City for every player we attempt to buy. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't actually employ any scouts.
Would much prefer Modric or Gourcuff to Milner. We need a playmaker, and we're supposedly looking to compete with the best in Europe.
Scholes is retiring in a year, wouldn't it be a better idea to bring in a creative midfielder and give him a season training with Scholes and being eased in?
Plus I just don't really like Milner.
But I can see this signing happening.
Scholes is retiring in a year, wouldn't it be a better idea to bring in a creative midfielder and give him a season training with Scholes and being eased in?
Plus I just don't really like Milner.
But I can see this signing happening.
Do not want.
I dont think we'll enter any "race" where City or the other big spenders are really interested. I mean, there will never be any "value for money" unfortunately. Look what happened with Berbatov when we tried to beat them to a player.
If signed as park's replacement then fine, although I will be lost for words seeing as we don't really need to replace Park, but otherwise, no. He is a decent player, one who will not improve us.
Perhaps had he been left footed, than I may have seen things differently
Perhaps had he been left footed, than I may have seen things differently
Milner has far more goals and assists to his name this season than either of them pair. What we need is more goals from midfield IMO, and with Milner that's exactly what you get.
O'Neill recently compared him to a young Roy Keane or a Bryan Robson
High Praise
High Praise
He also compared Ashley Young to Cristiano Ronaldo last season.
MON, beacon of sensible quotes and judgements.
Chamez Milnero from Astoni Villareal, he'd the better option
Sounds like a shit unknown player to be fair..... Would rather Milner
Sounds like a shit unknown player to be fair..... Would rather Milner
Are you kidding me? Chamez Milnero's going to be the next Iniesta! Check out his youtube clip...
m.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=ZOU8GIRUd_g
Why? We've Fletcher, Hargreaves, Carrick and Anderson who can all play that role. We'll be far too over-stocked in midfield if we buy a few midfielders this summer.
It's interesting. I like him as a player and I will say now i've not seen him in the middle. I have reservations of him being a good goalscorer inspite of this season. I come back to Gibson because to be fair, we can't ignore him.
In terms of goals, he has shown the ability and in big games too. His general play we can tidy up and hopefully with games you get sufficent mobility from him. I would then add Cleverly as I think he's a cracking player. He's young but getting experience, he's scoring goals and has two for United albiet in pre season games.
I think it's up in the air. 30 million or even close to that for Milner is madness. It's not his fault but it is. I think he'd prove a good buy for the club but i'm not convinced his goal output will increase much. There's no history to show he can do it regular. It seems to me we're wasting Anderson and now is the time to give him responsibility further forward. I mean that was meant to be his talent. I don't like the idea of buying because we have 4/5/6 players in the squad who are trying to establish themselves
I always think it's better to buy (unless you're despirate) when you've an established squad. Tosic/Hargreaves/Obertan/Diouf/Kiko and maybe others - who all have talent incidently and who all could save us ££ by being given time/opportunities to establish themselves. I think we need a tidy up
In terms of goals, he has shown the ability and in big games too. His general play we can tidy up and hopefully with games you get sufficent mobility from him. I would then add Cleverly as I think he's a cracking player. He's young but getting experience, he's scoring goals and has two for United albiet in pre season games.
I think it's up in the air. 30 million or even close to that for Milner is madness. It's not his fault but it is. I think he'd prove a good buy for the club but i'm not convinced his goal output will increase much. There's no history to show he can do it regular. It seems to me we're wasting Anderson and now is the time to give him responsibility further forward. I mean that was meant to be his talent. I don't like the idea of buying because we have 4/5/6 players in the squad who are trying to establish themselves
I always think it's better to buy (unless you're despirate) when you've an established squad. Tosic/Hargreaves/Obertan/Diouf/Kiko and maybe others - who all have talent incidently and who all could save us ££ by being given time/opportunities to establish themselves. I think we need a tidy up
Im not Carrick's biggest fan but he's a different animal to Milner. Far classier, superior passing ability and is capable of dictating play and controlling a game. Milner isnt.
can Carrick dictate play? He can't dictate the tempo. Scholes can but I never see that from Carrick. He can pass well, though not as good as scholes who has a much better range of passing and he can score now and then though even at 35 scholes can outscore him.
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