For me, Milner would be a better version (far better imo) of Park. A versatile player offering a lot in a number of positions. He would be a very good addition to the squad, but he wouldn't be a player to win us the CL. While I would like him added to the squad, he would be (and I have stated this before) my wished for 3rd signing. At the money that would be required, he just isn't viable for me.
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14m is cheap compared to what some players went for that summer (Cashley for Gallas plus cash, Sheva for 30m, Diarra for 20-something, etc.).
Paying OTT for Rooney was necessary - he had world class potential and had just ran riot in the Euros.
Paying 20m plus for Milner is madness.
Would you say the same about Rodwell? not disagreeing btw, just curious...
Hopefully City will try and gazump us for the sake of it, give Villa £30 mil. Villa then pay us £20 mil for Carrick. In the confusion we buy Hamsik because City are far too stocked with midfielders to be able to guarantee him week-in, week-out football.
Yes. Rodwell may well turn out a top class player but he hasn't yet proven himself as a regular or in the national team set up. Granted he could end up costing 30-40m in a two years or he could very well end up another Barmby or Richards.
There is/are enough squad cover/squad players right now. I hope SAF saves the big money for one top class player and the rest on a few more youth to groom. I think the squad is one top class midfielder away from taking the league and Europe once more. Assuming there is no massive defensive injury crisis and Rooney doesn't get crocked during the business end of the next season.
There is/are enough squad cover/squad players right now. I hope SAF saves the big money for one top class player and the rest on a few more youth to groom. I think the squad is one top class midfielder away from taking the league and Europe once more. Assuming there is no massive defensive injury crisis and Rooney doesn't get crocked during the business end of the next season.
Which only goes to show that "talent" and "value" are not things that you can deliberate on with any kind of objective authority. Which was my original point.
Not looking too good for him if Nasri signs.
Amazing the amount of money he cost.Did City even need him to overpay Villa that much ?
Him and Barry will be the main casualties this season. It might be the last year for them.
He needs to get out of there for the sake of his career. I still think he's better than he's shown at City.
I don't think he will start complaining for another season because he is getting money either way. Isn't that why he along with Barry went there in the first place?
I don't think either went there for purely money. It's obviously a contributing factor but I'm sure Milner believed he was going to play more games. Plus didn't they sign the likes of Yaya, Silva and Super Mario after he signed?
The squad didn't look so great at that point.
It wouldn't surprise me if he started kicking off a bit in January if he is proper frozen out of the side. What with the Euros coming up at the end of the season.
I'd agree with this. Neither of them come across as money whores and both expressed wishes to join a bigger club. I think he deserves better than a bench spot. Would be an interesting replacement for Kranjcar at Spurs or a great addition at a Fulham or Everton.
Barry would be useful for Liverpool and Everton.
Would be interesting to see if they can meet the Premier League homegrown rules if they keep letting the core of the english players go
Where else will they go?
Won't get the wages they're getting at City thats for sure.
More likely to warm the bench or leave on loan.
He thought he was going to get more games at City than at Villa where he played pretty much played every game? After Barry left, it was him and Young who were leaders of that team.No, he clearly meant he thought he'd get more games than he actually played last season at City.
They will all settle for smaller wages as they age, as in when they pass 30. Milner is still young but Barry will be 31 at the end of the season. He seriously can't expect to earn such high wages for the rest of his career if he wants more playing time.
Balotelli is another doubt if his attitude does not calm down. AC Milan really want him and he wants to go back to Italy. That could help Milner. But who is to say they are done buying.
And not to mention the fact that they still use Kolarov and SWP on the wings.
We are talking about the reasons as to why he moved to City, not this season and last season?
Eh? I mean I'm sure he thought he'd get more games at City than he's getting. Not more games than he was getting at Villa. Obviously.
I know its hindsight, etc, etc, but haven't we seen this with Chelsea already? Big money clubs will use big money to buy stepping stone players like Barry and Milner. If these two players didn't think they were stepping stone players (i.e. on par with the next batch like Silva, Aguero, etc) then they are seriously deluded.
Much like SWPs WRONG move to Chelsea instead of Arsenal back in the early 2000s, these two players will be at Stoke and Sunderland soon enough.
Much like SWPs WRONG move to Chelsea instead of Arsenal back in the early 2000s, these two players will be at Stoke and Sunderland soon enough.
It's not inconsievable to think that given the hype around Milner at the time he thought he was more that a "stepping stone player".
Either that or he thought it was a risk worth taking. Get yourself in the team and make yourself undroppable etc.
Also, I'm not sure why Barry's name is being thrown around. He still plays pretty much every game. Granted that could change with Nasri's inclusion but knowing Mancini like we do he'll probably drop 1 of the wingers.
Last season, Mancini was playing three holding midfielders and using Toure as an attacking mid. Now he has the option of actually using very good attacking midfielders. Hence he is going to drop one of the holding midfielders to the bench and Barry seems to be that obvious choice.
He could have done that last season though but still chose to play Silva out wide in favour of playing Barry, De Jong and Toure.
Exactly, he had less options then. Now he has to account for Aguero and Nasri. This season he has to play Silva/Aguero in the attacking mid position, which means Toure is pushed down to play the central midfield position.
Last season he played:
Tevez/Dzeko
Balotelli/Silva--------Toure---------Johnson/Milner
Barry-----------------De Jong
Balotelli/Silva--------Toure---------Johnson/Milner
Barry-----------------De Jong
now he may go for
..........................................aguero
..........................Silva--------Toure---------Nasri
...........................Barry-----------------De Jong
Pretty decent me thinks and it will also see Milner being pushed further to the side and most likely the likes of Barry will follow suit. How long has Milner left on his contract and whats his odds of getting out by say Dec which he most likely wont but lets say hypothetically speaking.
It is good but I think substituting Barry for Johnson makes them a more threatening attacking force. They are already playing so defensively. So by taking out a holding midfielder, there is more creativity.
Aguero
Nasri-----------------Silva----------------Johnson
Toure-------------------De Jong.
Nasri-----------------Silva----------------Johnson
Toure-------------------De Jong.
I know, and knowing Mancini this season he'll probably play:
---- Aguero
Nasri Toure Silva
--Barry DeJong
But I agree that he should play what most (including myself) have suggested.
---- Aguero
Nasri Toure Silva
--Barry DeJong
But I agree that he should play what most (including myself) have suggested.
in fairness to yaya he aint to shabby in the final third !
I cant for the life of me see Mancini sacrifice a holding midfielder from the off in 95% of games they play. Unless they are either chasing a game or playing the likes or Accrington Stanley but even then he will probably still opt for the two holding mids.
Carling Cup, his level.
So what's the latest consensus on Milner then? Seeing a lot of people talking about how he's one of England's most consistent players (consistently okay?) and one of the best crossers of the ball (at Man City?).
I still haven't seen him hit the heights he did at Villa, and see him as little more than a workhorse. Don't get the fuss. Not to mention that excellent cross which Cech needed to save there.
I still haven't seen him hit the heights he did at Villa, and see him as little more than a workhorse. Don't get the fuss. Not to mention that excellent cross which Cech needed to save there.
He is grossly under appreciated. He is a very decent player.
He's a slightly inferior Park Ji-Sung, who cost ten times as much. Has an annoying tendency to play well against us, mind.
BS. Milners every bit as good as Park and how much he cost is irrelevant as it was city who bought him.
He's not as bad as some like to think. Good basic technical skills like passing and crossing, just lacks skill on the ball at times. He's an intelligent player in terms of his defensive contribution too.
Except that's obviously bollocks. Players are always going to be judged by their transfer fees, and Milner is probably in the top ten transfers in English football history.
That cross today summed him up. 4 players free in the middle and he bizarrely hammers it high across the box. Absolutely clueless player. He's also woeful for England but randomly gets MOTM every time.
The best part was when he had a chance to score, with the keeper stranded, and he smashed it straight into an offside Aguero.
He's good against us. Not very good against anyone else.
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