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As a forward, I've never been convinced that Milner possesses either the technical ability, the skill, or the pace, to be anything more than a very good Premier League player. But as a central midfielder, and having watched him over the last season, I have to admit that in terms of English talent, and despite my preference for several other players, it could be argued that Milner would instantly become one of the best central midfielders in the team, alongside Fletcher and Scholes (who is, of course, due to retire very soon).

I should add that despite being impressed by his adaptation to the central role, and how that has allowed him to develop his game and broaden his role in the team, I don't see him as the real star quality that many people — myself included — believe that we could benefit from in the central area. So, I would still believe that a player of that type would be extremely beneficial even if we did sign Milner, though obviously not essential (largely because we already have a very good team, regardless of who we may or may not buy in the summer).

I've had to recognize my own bias towards foreign players (i.e. that which is not related to overall quality and effectiveness, necessarily), and also to be aware that I have a tendency to allow technical ability alone to cloud my judgment to the point that it actually causes me to overlook better players in favor of those who are technically superior, but far less effective, overall. I only say this because I genuinely have to fight against both, unless it's blatantly obvious the English player is really the better player, and I wonder if anyone else struggles with that (and whether that might cause them to overlook someone like Milner)?

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that I am so used to English players that it naturally creates a kind of mystery around anyone who hasn't played in this country, and perhaps that is paradoxically reinforced by the fact that I haven't seen the foreign player in anything like as many games, which somewhat irrationally causes me to favor the player that I have seen much less of (and also, heard and read much less about, which is important)! I suppose that it might even be a consequence of having seen more evidence of weaknesses in the English player, but that still isn't a good reason to prefer one over the other, even if it somewhat explains the caution towards the English player. And, of course, a high level of technical ability (broadly defined), when coupled with several other equally important qualities, usually defines the really high level players that can decide the outcome of games, so it certainly isn't something that should be ignored — quite the opposite, in fact.

Taking all of that in to account, then, I'm persuaded that Milner would improve our midfield in several ways, though not necessarily in enough of the areas that many people have in mind when thinking about which players we should be looking at this summer. And of those areas that he would improve, I'm not yet convinced that he would do so significantly. If, however, we were looking to re-organize the midfield with more than one player, Milner could be a very good, and perhaps in time, excellent, long term investment.
 
As a forward, I've never been convinced that Milner possesses either the technical ability, the skill, or the pace, to be anything more than a very good Premier League player. But as a central midfielder, and having watched him over the last season, I have to admit that in terms of English talent, and despite my preference for several other players, it could be argued that Milner would instantly become one of the best central midfielders in the team, alongside Fletcher and Scholes (who is, of course, due to retire very soon).

I should add that despite being impressed by his adaptation to the central role, and how that has allowed him to develop his game and broaden his role in the team, I don't see him as the real star quality that many people — myself included — believe that we could benefit from in the central area. So, I would still believe that a player of that type would be extremely beneficial even if we did sign Milner, though obviously not essential (largely because we already have a very good team, regardless of who we may or may not buy in the summer).

I've had to recognize my own bias towards foreign players (i.e. that which is not related to overall quality and effectiveness, necessarily), and also to be aware that I have a tendency to allow technical ability alone to cloud my judgment to the point that it actually causes me to overlook better players in favor of those who are technically superior, but far less effective, overall. I only say this because I genuinely have to fight against both, unless it's blatantly obvious the English player is really the better player, and I wonder if anyone else struggles with that (and whether that might cause them to overlook someone like Milner)?

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that I am so used to English players that it naturally creates a kind of mystery around anyone who hasn't played in this country, and perhaps that is paradoxically reinforced by the fact that I haven't seen the foreign player in anything like as many games, which somewhat irrationally causes me to favor the player that I have seen much less of (and also, heard and read much less about, which is important)! I suppose that it might even be a consequence of having seen more evidence of weaknesses in the English player, but that still isn't a good reason to prefer one over the other, even if it somewhat explains the caution towards the English player. And, of course, a high level of technical ability (broadly defined), when coupled with several other equally important qualities, usually defines the really high level players that can decide the outcome of games, so it certainly isn't something that should be ignored — quite the opposite, in fact.

Taking all of that in to account, then, I'm persuaded that Milner would improve our midfield in several ways, though not necessarily in enough of the areas that many people have in mind when thinking about which players we should be looking at this summer. And of those areas that he would improve, I'm not yet convinced that he would do so significantly. If, however, we were looking to re-organize the midfield with more than one player, Milner could be a very good, and perhaps in time, excellent, long term investment.

that's the point though. milner's price tag would mean we would just get milner ALONE.

whereas, if we bought milner, ideally we'd buy someone like hamsik as well.

if we only could buy one, then i'd rather the foreign option of hamsik, etc.
 
As a forward, I've never been convinced that Milner possesses either the technical ability, the skill, or the pace, to be anything more than a very good Premier League player. But as a central midfielder, and having watched him over the last season, I have to admit that in terms of English talent, and despite my preference for several other players, it could be argued that Milner would instantly become one of the best central midfielders in the team, alongside Fletcher and Scholes (who is, of course, due to retire very soon).

I should add that despite being impressed by his adaptation to the central role, and how that has allowed him to develop his game and broaden his role in the team, I don't see him as the real star quality that many people — myself included — believe that we could benefit from in the central area. So, I would still believe that a player of that type would be extremely beneficial even if we did sign Milner, though obviously not essential (largely because we already have a very good team, regardless of who we may or may not buy in the summer).

I've had to recognize my own bias towards foreign players (i.e. that which is not related to overall quality and effectiveness, necessarily), and also to be aware that I have a tendency to allow technical ability alone to cloud my judgment to the point that it actually causes me to overlook better players in favor of those who are technically superior, but far less effective, overall. I only say this because I genuinely have to fight against both, unless it's blatantly obvious the English player is really the better player, and I wonder if anyone else struggles with that (and whether that might cause them to overlook someone like Milner)?

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that I am so used to English players that it naturally creates a kind of mystery around anyone who hasn't played in this country, and perhaps that is paradoxically reinforced by the fact that I haven't seen the foreign player in anything like as many games, which somewhat irrationally causes me to favor the player that I have seen much less of (and also, heard and read much less about, which is important)! I suppose that it might even be a consequence of having seen more evidence of weaknesses in the English player, but that still isn't a good reason to prefer one over the other, even if it somewhat explains the caution towards the English player. And, of course, a high level of technical ability (broadly defined), when coupled with several other equally important qualities, usually defines the really high level players that can decide the outcome of games, so it certainly isn't something that should be ignored — quite the opposite, in fact.

Taking all of that in to account, then, I'm persuaded that Milner would improve our midfield in several ways, though not necessarily in enough of the areas that many people have in mind when thinking about which players we should be looking at this summer. And of those areas that he would improve, I'm not yet convinced that he would do so significantly. If, however, we were looking to re-organize the midfield with more than one player, Milner could be a very good, and perhaps in time, excellent, long term investment.

I believe it's the concept of overexposure that you are referring to. When we see something an inordinate number of times, we start to look at its faults more than its assets after awhile. This is not as possible with foreign players as it's the unknown that we are attracted to. A case in point is the Greek (or Albanian) player Sotiris Ninis. I was speaking with some Pana supporters on the weekend and they told me that he is a promising player to be sure but his main weakness is that he is easy to knock off of the ball. That is not a good trait to have while in the PL. This is a point that I nor most of you would know, not following the Greek league closely. That is why I guess that we try to ask those who follow other leagues closely about the weaknesses of players before we develop a judgment on them.
 
Taking all of that in to account, then, I'm persuaded that Milner would improve our midfield in several ways, though not necessarily in enough of the areas that many people have in mind when thinking about which players we should be looking at this summer. And of those areas that he would improve, I'm not yet convinced that he would do so significantly. If, however, we were looking to re-organize the midfield with more than one player, Milner could be a very good, and perhaps in time, excellent, long term investment.

This.

Milner is a very handy player. Chances are he'd walk straight into the team, become a regular and have a similar impact to Valencia, and despite it being a lot of money it'd be a sensible long-term move. But he doesn't really solve the main problem in midfield, he's not going to be brought in to give us what Scholes gives us and that's what we need more than anything.

If we are planning on buying Milner that tells us a bit about Anderson's future, I think. Right now we've already got the energetic, dribbling, forceful midfielder in Anderson, we just need to wait a while for him to step it up. If we bring in Milner he's essentially taken his place in the team - he plays the same role and he's already the better player at it so when will Anderson get his games?

If we sign Milner I think Anderson's gone, and we should still get a very decent amount of money for him. Might mean we have to wait another year to get that playmaker that we all want but Scholesy's still here for a year and I think we can just about get away with it while being challengers for one more year without getting his replacement.
 
As a forward, I've never been convinced that Milner possesses either the technical ability, the skill, or the pace, to be anything more than a very good Premier League player. But as a central midfielder, and having watched him over the last season, I have to admit that in terms of English talent, and despite my preference for several other players, it could be argued that Milner would instantly become one of the best central midfielders in the team, alongside Fletcher and Scholes (who is, of course, due to retire very soon).

I should add that despite being impressed by his adaptation to the central role, and how that has allowed him to develop his game and broaden his role in the team, I don't see him as the real star quality that many people — myself included — believe that we could benefit from in the central area. So, I would still believe that a player of that type would be extremely beneficial even if we did sign Milner, though obviously not essential (largely because we already have a very good team, regardless of who we may or may not buy in the summer).

I've had to recognize my own bias towards foreign players (i.e. that which is not related to overall quality and effectiveness, necessarily), and also to be aware that I have a tendency to allow technical ability alone to cloud my judgment to the point that it actually causes me to overlook better players in favor of those who are technically superior, but far less effective, overall. I only say this because I genuinely have to fight against both, unless it's blatantly obvious the English player is really the better player, and I wonder if anyone else struggles with that (and whether that might cause them to overlook someone like Milner)?

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that I am so used to English players that it naturally creates a kind of mystery around anyone who hasn't played in this country, and perhaps that is paradoxically reinforced by the fact that I haven't seen the foreign player in anything like as many games, which somewhat irrationally causes me to favor the player that I have seen much less of (and also, heard and read much less about, which is important)! I suppose that it might even be a consequence of having seen more evidence of weaknesses in the English player, but that still isn't a good reason to prefer one over the other, even if it somewhat explains the caution towards the English player. And, of course, a high level of technical ability (broadly defined), when coupled with several other equally important qualities, usually defines the really high level players that can decide the outcome of games, so it certainly isn't something that should be ignored — quite the opposite, in fact.

Taking all of that in to account, then, I'm persuaded that Milner would improve our midfield in several ways, though not necessarily in enough of the areas that many people have in mind when thinking about which players we should be looking at this summer. And of those areas that he would improve, I'm not yet convinced that he would do so significantly. If, however, we were looking to re-organize the midfield with more than one player, Milner could be a very good, and perhaps in time, excellent, long term investment.

I know how you feel, foreign players with great technical skill bring a sense of flair and adventure with them and so entice us, more so than the meat and potatoes players like Milner and Valencia who are sturdy and effective.

I think the rise of Nani since January has been met with extra excitement b/c of this, you can now audibly hear the anticipation when he gets the ball at Old Trafford, United have always had a flair player or two and Nani has stepped into the void left by Ronaldo.

As both you and Brwned have alluded to though, Milner remains a solid backbone option, perhaps he is viewed as preferrable to the flighty Brazilian or indeed to the injury ravaged Hargreaves as opposed to being seen as a Scholes replacement, and long term he'd most likely be a good and long serving team man.
 
This.

Milner is a very handy player. Chances are he'd walk straight into the team, become a regular and have a similar impact to Valencia, and despite it being a lot of money it'd be a sensible long-term move. But he doesn't really solve the main problem in midfield, he's not going to be brought in to give us what Scholes gives us and that's what we need more than anything.

If we are planning on buying Milner that tells us a bit about Anderson's future, I think. Right now we've already got the energetic, dribbling, forceful midfielder in Anderson, we just need to wait a while for him to step it up. If we bring in Milner he's essentially taken his place in the team - he plays the same role and he's already the better player at it so when will Anderson get his games?

If we sign Milner I think Anderson's gone, and we should still get a very decent amount of money for him. Might mean we have to wait another year to get that playmaker that we all want but Scholesy's still here for a year and I think we can just about get away with it while being challengers for one more year without getting his replacement.

I agree with pretty much* all of that. The funny thing is that, despite being sympathetic to the idea that the team could be taken on to another level with the signing of a player of real quality to operate centrally (with my personal choice being Modric), it really shouldn't be arguable that a player of Milner's age and qualities and background is something that we should always be interested in. In general, players like that are almost always worth the money, because they offer so much more than a few years of fantastic entertainment. They form the backbone of the team, no matter which other players come and go.

Though it is arguable whether Milner is a more accomplished passer of the ball than Carrick (probably not at this point, though 'passing' is not a single skill), and he certainly isn't as accomplished defensively (again, not at this point), he more than makes up for that in almost every other aspect of his game. He's certainly not poor defensively, either, and is perhaps even underrated in that regard, as he was used numerous times throughout the season in a two man Aston Villa midfield, alongside Petrov.

Where his ability really does shine through is in his boundless energy in both directions (forward and backwards), his ability to travel with the ball (which can be a deadly weapon in central areas), and his ability to manipulate the ball in and around the penalty area, both to create chances for the team, as well as taking on shots of his own.

* Personally, I'd like to see Anderson used more as a genuine attacking midfielder, which is his natural position and where he was used in the Brazilian youth teams, as well as at Gremio and Porto. His time as a genuine central midfielder can only have improved his game in the areas that are important in England in all positions, so I wouldn't necessarily see that as a failure. What it would be, though, is a different type of option to the playmaker role (should we sign one). Whether that would extend his stay at the club or not, I'm not sure, but it seems to me that we at least need to offer him the best conditions in which to find some real form, before we make any long term decisions that we might regret.
 
Anyone who doubts Milner's potential has clearly not watched him playing for Villa in the last 12 months. He gets the MOM award most feckin games!

He's absolutely perfect for us. Fergie and United could make him a star!
 
Fully agree with the notion he could be an excellent player for us, but just isn't the sort of player we need the most right now.
 
* Personally, I'd like to see Anderson used more as a genuine attacking midfielder, which is his natural position and where he was used in the Brazilian youth teams, as well as at Gremio and Porto. His time as a genuine central midfielder can only have improved his game in the areas that are important in England in all positions, so I wouldn't necessarily see that as a failure. What it would be, though, is a different type of option to the playmaker role (should we sign one). Whether that would extend his stay at the club or not, I'm not sure, but it seems to me that we at least need to offer him the best conditions in which to find some real form, before we make any long term decisions that we might regret.

Been saying this for ages. NOT a popular opinion 'round these here parts, though!
 
I agree with pretty much* all of that. The funny thing is that, despite being sympathetic to the idea that the team could be taken on to another level with the signing of a player of real quality to operate centrally (with my personal choice being Modric), it really shouldn't be arguable that a player of Milner's age and qualities and background is something that we should always be interested in. In general, players like that are almost always worth the money, because they offer so much more than a few years of fantastic entertainment. They form the backbone of the team, no matter which other players come and go.

Though it is arguable whether Milner is a more accomplished passer of the ball than Carrick (probably not at this point, though 'passing' is not a single skill), and he certainly isn't as accomplished defensively (again, not at this point), he more than makes up for that in almost every other aspect of his game. He's certainly not poor defensively, either, and is perhaps even underrated in that regard, as he was used numerous times throughout the season in a two man Aston Villa midfield, alongside Petrov.

Where his ability really does shine through is in his boundless energy in both directions (forward and backwards), his ability to travel with the ball (which can be a deadly weapon in central areas), and his ability to manipulate the ball in and around the penalty area, both to create chances for the team, as well as taking on shots of his own.

* Personally, I'd like to see Anderson used more as a genuine attacking midfielder, which is his natural position and where he was used in the Brazilian youth teams, as well as at Gremio and Porto. His time as a genuine central midfielder can only have improved his game in the areas that are important in England in all positions, so I wouldn't necessarily see that as a failure. What it would be, though, is a different type of option to the playmaker role (should we sign one). Whether that would extend his stay at the club or not, I'm not sure, but it seems to me that we at least need to offer him the best conditions in which to find some real form, before we make any long term decisions that we might regret.


Id take Milner over Carrick any day. Carrick is a footballing barge... Cant turn, cant beat a player, cant move forward when in contact and recently bluntly refuses to look around before he recieves the ball and even consider when playing a pass forward unless its a 40 yarder. Dreadful United footballer at present. Has been better but doubt he is worth a further chance for a team of united´s quality given his limitations. Many of them mental....
 
Who's this Hamsik guy, I dont stop hearing about him. Better than Gourcuff or David Silva?

On topic: Personally, I think City can have Milner. I'm pretty sure i've given my reasons why in this very thread as to why I dont want us to sign him and if we're gonna spend £25m+ on someone, i'd rather it was on David Silva.
 
Well if City are in for Milner we may as well not bother. Ah well.

* Personally, I'd like to see Anderson used more as a genuine attacking midfielder, which is his natural position and where he was used in the Brazilian youth teams, as well as at Gremio and Porto. His time as a genuine central midfielder can only have improved his game in the areas that are important in England in all positions, so I wouldn't necessarily see that as a failure. What it would be, though, is a different type of option to the playmaker role (should we sign one). Whether that would extend his stay at the club or not, I'm not sure, but it seems to me that we at least need to offer him the best conditions in which to find some real form, before we make any long term decisions that we might regret.

Anderson has played, and failed, in that position numerous times for us. That's where i thought he was meant to play but he just hasnt convinced me when he's been given that role. I suppose one of his biggest issues with playing in that role is that you find yourself in front of goal quite often and Anderson is just dreadful when he lookes up and see's the goal.
 
Who's this Hamsik guy, I dont stop hearing about him. Better than Gourcuff or David Silva?

On topic: Personally, I think City can have Milner. I'm pretty sure i've given my reasons why in this very thread as to why I dont want us to sign him and if we're gonna spend £25m+ on someone, i'd rather it was on David Silva.

attacking midfielder from napoli. fecking class, hard worker on the pitch as well. would be superb in a midfield three. he is my number 1 target for united. checks all the boxes. super technique, eye for a goal, grafts hard, young (only 22), bags of experience in a top league, etc.

IMO more direct and dynamic than gourcuff and stronger than silva.

IMO he'll have a monster world cup and be priced out only for the likes of city.
 
attacking midfielder from napoli. fecking class, hard worker on the pitch as well. would be superb in a midfield three. he is my number 1 target for united. checks all the boxes. super technique, eye for a goal, grafts hard, young (only 22), bags of experience in a top league, etc.

IMO more direct and dynamic than gourcuff and stronger than silva.

IMO he'll have a monster world cup and be priced out only for the likes of city.

Agree with your appraisal of him as a player but did Slovakia make it to the World Cup?
 
This.

Milner is a very handy player. Chances are he'd walk straight into the team, become a regular and have a similar impact to Valencia, and despite it being a lot of money it'd be a sensible long-term move. But he doesn't really solve the main problem in midfield, he's not going to be brought in to give us what Scholes gives us and that's what we need more than anything.

If we are planning on buying Milner that tells us a bit about Anderson's future, I think. Right now we've already got the energetic, dribbling, forceful midfielder in Anderson, we just need to wait a while for him to step it up. If we bring in Milner he's essentially taken his place in the team - he plays the same role and he's already the better player at it so when will Anderson get his games?

If we sign Milner I think Anderson's gone, and we should still get a very decent amount of money for him. Might mean we have to wait another year to get that playmaker that we all want but Scholesy's still here for a year and I think we can just about get away with it while being challengers for one more year without getting his replacement.

We'll rue the day if the club and SAF give up on Anderson so early. He's 22 and has had three years in England where as Milner has had his entire career in England and at 24 finally emerged into the "potential" star category. Send Anderson on loan to Villa for a year and see how he fares. I have the odd notion Anderson might just show his class starting nearly every match and being "the man" in the middle. I for one would prefer Anderson be given that old Scholes role or playing advanced instead of trying to turn him into some Brazilian Roy Keane.
 
City make Milner move
Blues test Villa's resolve with big money bid

Skysports.com understands Manchester City have tabled a big money offer for Aston Villa winger James Milner.

The England international enjoyed a sparkling 2009/10 campaign, considerably raising his profile.

Reports in January speculated that a number of top clubs were keeping tabs on the talented 24-year-old, with it widely believed that there is still more to come from him in the future.

City have now made the first move, with it believed that Roberto Mancini is willing to part with around £20million to take the reigning PFA Young Player of the Year to Eastlands.

It is easy to understand why the Blues are so keen on the former Leeds and Newcastle man, as he has just finished his most productive season to date.

A respectable return of 12 goals from midfield marks him out as a useful addition to any side, while his versatility can also prove priceless.
Busy summer

Milner is able to operate on either flank or at full-back, while he blossomed in the centre of midfield for Villa since being shifted inside by Martin O'Neill.

He has been included in Fabio Capello's preliminary squad for this summer's World Cup and is widely regarded as a shoo-in to make the final cut.

Villa have yet to respond to the offer on the table from City but will be reluctant to part with their key performers.

Unfortunately for O'Neill, there are plenty of other teams rumoured to be ready to make a move and he could be in for a busy summer.

Premier League champions Chelsea are also said to be keen on Milner and they could be tempted to chance their arm in an effort to prevent one of their rivals from strengthening their squad.

Sky Sports | Football | Premier League | News | City make Milner move
 
We'll rue the day if the club and SAF give up on Anderson so early. He's 22 and has had three years in England where as Milner has had his entire career in England and at 24 finally emerged into the "potential" star category. Send Anderson on loan to Villa for a year and see how he fares. I have the odd notion Anderson might just show his class starting nearly every match and being "the man" in the middle. I for one would prefer Anderson be given that old Scholes role or playing advanced instead of trying to turn him into some Brazilian Roy Keane.

Me too.

I hope City buy Milner, I want them to buy as many players as possible who have never had CL football!

Plus, I don't want us to buy Milner.
 
We'll rue the day if the club and SAF give up on Anderson so early. He's 22 and has had three years in England where as Milner has had his entire career in England and at 24 finally emerged into the "potential" star category. Send Anderson on loan to Villa for a year and see how he fares. I have the odd notion Anderson might just show his class starting nearly every match and being "the man" in the middle. I for one would prefer Anderson be given that old Scholes role or playing advanced instead of trying to turn him into some Brazilian Roy Keane.
Like how everyone prefers Rooney to play as a #10 instead of being turned into a #9? Like it or not we will play the majority of our games in a 442 or variations of it. So the midfielders must be comfortable playing in a 2 CM set up. Let him learn whatever roles currently he has to play. It will prove useful later on.
 
Like how everyone prefers Rooney to play as a #10 instead of being turned into a #9? Like it or not we will play the majority of our games in a 442 or variations of it. So the midfielders must be comfortable playing in a 2 CM set up. Let him learn whatever roles currently he has to play. It will prove useful later on.

We played mostly as a 451 last season.
 
We played mostly as a 451 last season.

Isn't that because our midfield has been weak?

Apart from Fletcher and Scholes in the latter half of the season the rest of our midfielders (Carrick, Anderson, Giggs and Gibson (young 'n learnin'), have not been good enough of late.
 
attacking midfielder from napoli. fecking class, hard worker on the pitch as well. would be superb in a midfield three. he is my number 1 target for united. checks all the boxes. super technique, eye for a goal, grafts hard, young (only 22), bags of experience in a top league, etc.

IMO more direct and dynamic than gourcuff and stronger than silva.

IMO he'll have a monster world cup and be priced out only for the likes of city.

I see, thanks anyway. Its just that I dont think i've ever seen him linked with us, so it would be very unusual to splash out big without even one story with him being linked.

I really like David Silva, though. He'd be my main target. He can play on the left and I believe with enough experience, he can play in the middle in the future. Just look at Modric, if you think Silva will struggle in terms of the physical side of the game.

If he does play in the middle one day, in a midfield two or three, I think he'd be like an upgraded version of what Ryan Giggs currently gives us in the middle and I dont mean that in a disrespectful way.
 
Well if City are in for Milner we may as well not bother. Ah well.



Anderson has played, and failed, in that position numerous times for us. That's where i thought he was meant to play but he just hasnt convinced me when he's been given that role. I suppose one of his biggest issues with playing in that role is that you find yourself in front of goal quite often and Anderson is just dreadful when he lookes up and see's the goal.

He has been tried there, but on very few occasions, and it's bad enough when you haven't been used in your favored position for a long time, but we're expecting him to suddenly be comfortable in a position in what is almost certainly the hardest country to operate there, because of the lack of space and the quickness and aggressiveness with which you're closed down.

Perhaps you're also thinking of when he has been used as the most attacking player in a three man midfield, but I'm not sure that's really any different to a normal three man midfield, to be honest.

His position for the Brazil U17's, where I watched him in all of the games when he won player of the tournament, and for Porto, was either as a central attacking midfielder, or at times, slightly to the left, in what used to be known as a left-sided forward position.

Anderson's greatest strength is his explosiveness in bursting past players, and his ability to pick out passes in the final third. That can be deadly in the attacking midfield role, when receiving the ball with only one or perhaps two lines of players between him and the goal.

I don't think that we understand how alien and disruptive it must have been for him to have to learn the defensive side of the game in a country like England. There's really no history or parallel of what we have tried to do with a player like that in nearly 30 years in Brazil. Since the 1982 World Cup, when Brazil failed to win with arguably the most talented side in history, they have been obsessed with using two defensive midfielders to protect the defence in order to allow their attacking midfielders the freedom to operate without that responsibility. So, every player in Brazil pretty much since that point has grown up with a distinctive role.

What we have tried to do with Anderson was of great interest in Brazil for that reason, because many feel that it's time for another change in emphasis. That doesn't change the fact, however, that what we have been involved in is an experiment with a player who has grown up in a culture with no real history of players of that type operating with such responsibility. And for that reason alone, I'm not sure that what we have seen from Anderson, so far, is anything like his "natural" game.
 
Do they just go for the players they think you're after in the hope they'll sign someone good and piss you off at the same time?

It's a joke if he moves anywhere for over 20mill.


Perhaps you lot should feign interest in Keith Andrews.
 
Do they just go for the players they think you're after in the hope they'll sign someone good and piss you off at the same time?

It's a joke if he moves anywhere for over 20mill.


Perhaps you lot should feign interest in Keith Andrews.

Oh sshhhh Spammy don't talk sense. Obviously his versatility, his decent ability and nationality mean he's worth every penny of £20 mill. If we ever signed him, you'd see a fair few people justifying how he's worth it ala Carrick or Hargreaves.
 
Oh sshhhh Spammy don't talk sense. Obviously his versatility, his decent ability and nationality mean he's worth every penny of £20 mill. If we ever signed him, you'd see a fair few people justifying how he's worth it ala Carrick or Hargreaves.

Worth is a relative and subjective term, so unless you believe that you and only you are in possession of the Truth™, in this regard, the lack of any kind of justification for why Spammy is "talk[ing] sense" is noted.
 
Worth is a relative and subjective term, so unless you believe that you and only you are in possession of the Truth™, in this regard, the lack of any kind of justification for why Spammy is "talk[ing] sense" is noted.

Well if you watch him, then you'd know that he just isn't worth the extortionate fee that City will pay for him and will save us from wasting.
 
Well if you watch him, then you'd know that he just isn't worth the extortionate fee that City will pay for him and will save us from wasting.

I realize that. But the point remains that value is a very difficult term to assess, particularly in a time of such exorbitant transfer fee's.

I think that you're right that Carrick was expensive at £14m + add-ons, but given what we have won since we signed him, it would be hard to argue that it was massively over-priced, no matter how small a role you personally believe he has played.

Milner is certainly not worth £20m, talent-wise, but I believe that you completely under-estimate the value of players who remain at the club for most of the rest of their career and form the backbone of the squad. Rooney was overpriced at £23m + add-ons for an 18 year old who we couldn't be absolutely certain would go on to become as good as he has. But he was worth that gamble, anyway, because it would have been even more surprising if he had turned out to be much, much worse than what he was expected to develop in to.

So, the point is that value doesn't always equate to talent, particularly when talent isn't something that we can study objectively.
 
Man City to include players in bid for Villa ace Milner

Manchester City are willing to include players in their offer for Aston Villa midfield ace James Milner.

The Daily Mail
says City have already kicked off their £24 million push for the England international.

It could be that Manchester City include England Under 21 defender Nedum Onuoha in their proposed offer for Milner.
 
What is Milner's strenght and weakness?

This season he has got forward well on overlaps and created many goals for Villa. A bit like when Giggs played central midfield for us, he'd make runs on the outside and cross balls in like an extra winger on the pitch during phases of play.

He's versatile, fairly intelligent, works hard, tracks back and scores some goals.

Weakness as a central midfielder? Isnt a dominating presence, doesnt give a lot of control in the middle third. And that means we'd still miss Scholes.
 
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