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SilentWitness said:
I guarantee you that he will not leave.
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To be fair mate (and i agree he likely wont leave), thats a ridiculous statement. You, and every other Everton fan, cannot guarantee anything. You are still in the same position as you have been over the last few years from a financial stand point.

As for McCarthy, he trusts Martinez. He most likely will stay where he is.
 
Kakeru said:
At his peak, Kroos scored 9. Kevin Strootman scored 6 in 28 appearances for Roma and had a career-high (so far) with 8 goals the year before that.

Seriously, how long have we spent time saying that we need goals from midfield? Because you play deep in midfield, it doesn't mean you can't bag a good number in the process.
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Yeah but I'm assuming McCarthy would not be the only midfield signing if we got him. I don't know why everyone else is.
 
No chance of him leaving and if we go in for him we only set ourselves up for embarrassment, when Mcarthy turns you down then theres something seriously wrong.
 
I wonder how this forum would have reacted to the signing of Roy Keane back in 1993? It's almost as though people on here don't watch any football, just fantasise about the fancy names.

I really wonder if some on here are completely abandoning the ethos of the club just as a result of one poor season finishing 7th.

McCarthy is exactly the type of signing this club has always gone for, he would potentially be a super signing for us.
 
Great....we're gonna spend the whole summer offering huge money for midfielders who we were supposed to sign last summer by the managerial buffoon that was in charge in strootman and mccarthy only to be told by their current clubs that even for twice the money they were bought for last summer that we have no hope of getting them....
 
Gee Male said:
I wonder how this forum would have reacted to the signing of Roy Keane back in 1993? It's almost as though people on here don't watch any football, just fantasise about the fancy names.

I really wonder if some on here are completely abandoning the ethos of the club just as a result of one poor season finishing 7th.

McCarthy is exactly the type of signing this club has always gone for, he would potentially be a super signing for us.
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High fee (record British Fee at the time of signing Keano) for a young irish player who stood head an shoulders above in a team that got relegated the season before ?

Can't see the parallel to be honest ;)
 
Gee Male said:
I wonder how this forum would have reacted to the signing of Roy Keane back in 1993? It's almost as though people on here don't watch any football, just fantasise about the fancy names.

I really wonder if some on here are completely abandoning the ethos of the club just as a result of one poor season finishing 7th.

McCarthy is exactly the type of signing this club has always gone for, he would potentially be a super signing for us.
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He is the type of signing we used to go for, we just missed a beat for the £13m he cost Everton and would have to shell out double to get him now which is unrealistic.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
His red card arguably handed the title to City. Would take him in a heart-beat.
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'Arguably' definitely. Not an argument that I would care to make. It is more of a lazy deduction. I would give Mourinho the most credit for that.

Pogue Mahone said:
One of the best midfielder in the league last season and still only 23 years old.
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I didn't feel that he was a key player for them. It was mostly their awesome forward line that propelled them to second. Gerrard was a much more important player than Henderson last season. I rate Henderson as a better talent than McCarthy anyway.

Neither player excites me greatly, besides, Henderson has a funny run!
 
Good player but surely we must aim higher. I would swap him for Cleverley in a heart beat but Martinez is not stupid.
I'm just praying for proven world class signing otherwise we will be winning nowt again next season even with Van Gaal in charge.
 
Castia said:
If there's anybody at Everton worth getting its Barkley, feck McCarthy we need class not more mediocre talent in midfield.
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Comments like this show that you haven't really seen McCarthy play much, he would transform your team more than Barkley currently would.

Along with Coleman he was my joint player of the season, if you all think your going to sign a Fabregas or a Kroos who do you want partnering them because i can't think of many better that i would want than McCarthy. I don't think he's attainable anyway unless you pay silly money as i think Martinez knows he is the key to get us playing how he wants and having been nurturing him for years there is no chance he is letting him go unless for silly money.
 
Did seem an unlikely deal. I wonder how much we'd have had to have payed for him? Near 30m? Yikes.

Still though, I'd love to know who are actual targets are. Hard to see many likely candidates....
 
BigDunc9 said:
Comments like this show that you haven't really seen McCarthy play much, he would transform your team more than Barkley currently would.

Along with Coleman he was my joint player of the season, if you all think your going to sign a Fabregas or a Kroos who do you want partnering them because i can't think of many better that i would want than McCarthy. I don't think he's attainable anyway unless you pay silly money as i think Martinez knows he is the key to get us playing how he wants and having been nurturing him for years there is no chance he is letting him go unless for silly money.
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Yeah, I'd agree with this. McCarthy would currently be more useful than Barkley, he would be an excellent CM partner for any top class signing and he would definitely cost us an insane amount of money.

In a few years maybe but right now? Way too expensive unless we're very short on targets.
 
We could have got him and Strootman for around £30 million last summer. :( Only a few million more than Fellaini.

This summer we could have added a Vidal/Fabregas/Kroos/Barkley to that and we really would be in a good place.
 
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The thing is McCarthy doesn't give the opposition an inch for the full 90 minutes every week and when you look at how 'soft' your current midfield is he would be a great signing. He is also quality on the ball and makes the right decision with all the time, me and @SilentWitness where discussing this yesterday before he was linked
 
KeaneRoy said:
I'm intrigued to how you think he can't handle the pressure/expectations?
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Lots of players do well for their clubs because the pressure is not there. But its a big step up from a smaller club to man utd. Anderson, nani, veron, fellani. Fellani was good with everton and in my opinion he hasnt been terrible for us. Its just what is demanded of a man utd midfielder, particularly since scholes left, is a lot and he cant match that expectation.

Unless mccarty is put in as DM, i cant see him doing much better than tom cleverly. Cleverly hasnt been as bad as been put, but because so much is expected of him, he wont deliver. Fans want to see a scholes. That is the threshold.

Kroos at least could pass and had good vision.
 
Kill 'em all said:
He's a good player but it's still disappointing going from Kroos and Cesc to McCarthy.
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We need someone to play with this big-name playmaker anyway and bringing in two young foreign talents (e.g. Kroos and Carvalho) and expecting them to gel instantly as a partnership is surely a recipe for disaster. McCarthy is a very versatile midfielder, knits things together in midfield nicely and has improved season after season in the PL. And at just 23 he actually has a lot of PL experience - more than Carrick had when we signed him at 25.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Comments like this show that you haven't really seen McCarthy play much, he would transform your team more than Barkley currently would.

Along with Coleman he was my joint player of the season, if you all think your going to sign a Fabregas or a Kroos who do you want partnering them because i can't think of many better that i would want than McCarthy. I don't think he's attainable anyway unless you pay silly money as i think Martinez knows he is the key to get us playing how he wants and having been nurturing him for years there is no chance he is letting him go unless for silly money.
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I've seen him play plenty of times, even last season before he joined Everton their were rumours of our interest. Garath Barry had a great season at Everton, do we sign him up as well? what about Fellaini who has been one of Everton's best players for the the past 3-4 season? no disrespect mate but its a completely different league playing for Everton and doing well compared to playing for Manchester United and being expected to win every competition they enter.

If we bring in a world class midfielder, then maybe McCarthy could be a decent transfer but you're going to want between £20-£25m that's just not value for a player of his quality, it's a massive no for me and im going to pissed off if we end up buying this guy.
 
We could have had him, Thiago and Strootman all for like £45m last year. Or atleast two of them for the price of Afro head.

Don't feel like getting ripped off Everton again.
 
Castia said:
I've seen him play plenty of times, even last season before he joined Everton their were rumours of our interest. Garath Barry had a great season at Everton, do we sign him up as well? what about Fellaini who has been one of Everton's best players for the the past 3-4 season? no disrespect mate but its a completely different league playing for Everton and doing well compared to playing for Manchester United and being expected to win every competition they enter.

If we bring in a world class midfielder, then maybe McCarthy could be a decent transfer but you're going to want between £20-£25m that's just not value for a player of his quality, it's a massive no for me and im going to pissed off if we end up buying this guy.
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If that is the case then why would you want Barkley then if playing well for United and playing well for Everton are differant things ? Are United only allowed to sign players from Barcelona, Madrid and Bayern because no one ever in the history of football could dare step up and play well for United unless they have already played for teams in the same 'league' as yous. It is just a poor excuse in my opinion and and any player coming from any club could either flop or be a great signing it is just one of them things and it is up to the manager to judge.
 
Brwned said:
We need someone to play with this big-name playmaker anyway and bringing in two young foreign talents (e.g. Kroos and Carvalho) and expecting them to gel instantly as a partnership is surely a recipe for disaster. McCarthy is a very versatile midfielder, knits things together in midfield nicely and has improved season after season in the PL. And at just 23 he actually has a lot of PL experience - more than Carrick had when we signed him at 25.
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This basically echos what I was writing earlier. We can't have a team of playmakers/attacking players. We need to have a destructive force in the middle of the pitch and as you've stated above, he has already shown a mountain of progression in the PL (at just 23).

Signing this man at this stage in his career, would be a real coup for us.
 
BigDunc9 said:
If that is the case then why would you want Barkley then if playing well for United and playing well for Everton are differant things ? Are United only allowed to sign players from Barcelona, Madrid and Bayern because no one ever in the history of football could dare step up and play well for United unless they have already played for teams in the same 'league' as yous. It is just a poor excuse in my opinion and and any player coming from any club could either flop or be a great signing it is just one of them things and it is up to the manager to judge.
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Because I can see Barkley's quality, he's going to be world class, about 10 levels above that of which McCarthy is capable of reaching. Look if he was available now for £13m (the fee Everton paid) then Id say he'd be a decent replacement for Cleverley, he'd add depth to the squad but when a similar fee to Fellaini will be required to sign him he's obviously not worth that yet. feck me the thought of spending over £50m on Fellaini and McCarthy is enough to give me nightmares.
 
Think the deal is feasible particularly if you offer Cleverley in a part-exchange. However, I suspect this is typical media tripe that we have come to expect during silly season. I doubt LVG has even heard of McCarthy
 
I defended fellani when he was signed. I cannot understand those who think mccarty is united standard. Not even close and im irish
 
McCarthy would be an excellent buy. Moyes was stupid to buy Fellaini when he was a cheaper option last season.

Anyway it looks like the report was bollocks.
 
BigDunc9 said:
The thing is McCarthy doesn't give the opposition an inch for the full 90 minutes every week and when you look at how 'soft' your current midfield is he would be a great signing. He is also quality on the ball and makes the right decision with all the time, me and @SilentWitness where discussing this yesterday before he was linked
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cleverly makes the right decision most of the time as well. he passes it sideways or the first person he sees. At everton that is acceptable. At man utd, scholes is the benchmark and you need to be able to pass exceptionally well.
 
Castia said:
Because I can see Barkley's quality, he's going to be world class, about 10 levels above that of which McCarthy is capable of reaching. Look if he was available now for £13m (the fee Everton paid) then Id say he'd be a decent replacement for Cleverley, he'd add depth to the squad but when a fee similar to Fellaini will be required to sign him he's obviously not worth that yet. feck me the thought of spending over £50m on Fellaini and McCarthy is enough to give me nightmares.
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Decent replacement for Cleverley? Add depth to the squad? McCarthy would be far, far better than Cleverley, probably our main cm unless Carrick dramatically returns to his very best. Plus even then McCarthy has the potential to be a fair bit better than Carrick.

Agree about the price though, he'd cost an absolutely insane amount of money.
 
sullydnl said:
Decent replacement for Cleverley? Add depth to the squad? McCarthy would be far, far better than Cleverley, probably our main cm unless Carrick dramatically returns to his very best. Plus even then McCarthy has the potential to be a fair bit better than Carrick.

Agree about the price though, he'd cost an absolutely insane amount of money.
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Well it just goes to show how bad our midfield is doesn't it. We should have world class talent in there, something we are supposed to be trying to bring in.
 
sullydnl said:
Decent replacement for Cleverley? Add depth to the squad? McCarthy would be far, far better than Cleverley, probably our main cm unless Carrick dramatically returns to his very best. Plus even then McCarthy has the potential to be a fair bit better than Carrick.

Agree about the price though, he'd cost an absolutely insane amount of money.
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Mccarty would be like carrick. No better, no worse. And carrick has been criticized by united fans.
 
northbynorthwest said:
cleverly makes the right decision most of the time as well. he passes it sideways or the first person he sees. At everton that is acceptable. At man utd, scholes is the benchmark and you need to be able to pass exceptionally well.
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You can still be a very good passer even if you don't spray perfect 40 yard balls like Scholes. As long as you are thoughtful in your passing and are keeping the play ticking along like McCarthy does then it is not a problem.

Oh and if Scholes is the benchmark then be prepared to be disappointed no matter who you sign.
 
Castia said:
Well it just goes to show how bad our midfield is doesn't it. We should have world class talent in there, something we are supposed to be trying to bring in.
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Agree with that, the fact that there are so many players who are "better than what we have now" says a lot.

northbynorthwest said:
Mccarty would be like carrick. No better, no worse. And carrick has been criticized by united fans.
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I think he has the potential to be better than Carrick. More aggressive, more mobile and more versatile imo. Also already has an insane amount of experience for someone that young.
 
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