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I wouldn't mind McCarthy here, not at all but only if his signing follows or precedes the signing of another midfielder at the level of Kroos or Fabregas.
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I wouldn't mind McCarthy here, not at all but only if his signing follows or precedes the signing of another midfielder at the level of Kroos or Fabregas.
[QUOTE="BigDunc9, post: 15740108, member: 87357"]You can still be a very good passer even if you don't spray perfect 40 yard balls like Scholes. As long as you are thoughtful in your passing and are keeping the play ticking along like McCarthy does then it is not a problem.
Oh and if Scholes is the benchmark then be prepared to be disappointed no matter who you sign.[/QUOTE]
Cleverly does that exactly and he comes in for abuse. So like i said, at everton its fine. At manchester united, we demand more. Now verratti or kroos would offer much more than mccarty in terms of passing.
Oh and if Scholes is the benchmark then be prepared to be disappointed no matter who you sign.[/QUOTE]
Cleverly does that exactly and he comes in for abuse. So like i said, at everton its fine. At manchester united, we demand more. Now verratti or kroos would offer much more than mccarty in terms of passing.
I don't think any one signing could take us back to the top. Signing players like McCarthy and developing them has been a big part of our domestic domination over the last two decades though. And I'd suggest the likes of Sturridge, Henderson, Sterling and Flanagan - British players brought/promoted into the squad over the last 18 months - played a big part in Liverpool's rise up the table also.
[QUOTE/]Cleverly does that exactly and he comes in for abuse. So like i said, at everton its fine. At manchester united, we demand more. Now verratti or kroos would offer much more than mccarty in terms of passing.[/QUOTE]
Do you think Martinez out of most managers in the league would spend 13 million on a midfielder who wasn't a good passer of the ball ? Your reasons just look silly and arrogant in my eyes
Do you think Martinez out of most managers in the league would spend 13 million on a midfielder who wasn't a good passer of the ball ? Your reasons just look silly and arrogant in my eyes
He could definitely be another Carrick for us. Wanted us to sign him last season.
Should have bought him instead of Fellaini last year. I'm afraid it's too late now.
We have always demanded big fees for our best players even in our financial position. Even people like Rodwell went for 10-15m as a crock. The tv money has put us in a much better place in terms of finance and unless a monster fee comes in for Barkley, McCarthy or Stones they won't leave. Barkley is the only player i can see going for 40m+.
Cleverly does that exactly and he comes in for abuse. So like i said, at everton its fine. At manchester united, we demand more. Now verratti or kroos would offer much more than mccarty in terms of passing.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you have seen much of McCarthy. He's a fighter, he's always there to cover our backs in defense and we'd have been exposed without him. I've said before somewhere that if you think Park had 3 lungs, McCarthy must have 4, it's incredible. He can be a bit dirty in his tackling sometimes but he leaves his mark on people (Quite literally in some cases...
) He keeps everything ticking with a purpose, he wants to get involved with it to move forward, and he bursts forward with an abundance of energy and like @BigDunc9 has shown above he has the awareness to play it off to people. The only thing he's lacking is a few goals but he's been getting himself into the correct positions, he just needed to get the first one off his back.Also, like i said to @BigDunc9 yesterday and we both agreed on. He's a player that you trust when they're on the ball. With his back to goal i don't get worried that he'll be caught out as he's very intelligent footballing wise, and knows exactly how much time and space he has to do things. He gets you out of tight situations and opens space for other players to work with.
Maybe in a few years time? When he's around 25/26 he'll probably be looking to move to a bigger club and wouldn't really cost much more than he likely would right now. If he continues to develop he may well be worth it at that stage.
No thanks, next !
It's probably too late on this one. I'd like to have him here but the time was last summer. We'd end up paying twice as much for him now, if not more. He's a good player and would definitely improve us, it seemed pretty obvious even last summer that we should've been in for him instead of Fellaini.
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I don't think he is good enough for United. Everton is his limit i reckon.
@SilentWitness You're fighting a losing battle here pal. Unfortunately, there are a quite a few fans who feel certain players are below us. For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with you. He has already shown heaps of progression and he was key to yer succeas this season. Himself and Barry were amazing for ye.
I'd still take him. You could argue last summer would've been a risk, not a costly one, mind, and people will always use the shitty Fellaini signing as a "look what we did instead!!", but ignoring that, he was only at Wigan so maybe the club just didn't feel he was ready to make a step up here.
I know he's going to cost a lot more now but I think what he's shown now is justify being good enough to play for us, because he was a standout performer for a club closer to our level, Ala Carrick at Spurs or Valencia at a much better Wigan. So yeah, we missed out, but at the same time, he could've ended up being shite here given how shite our season actually was and right now people might be complaining about how poor he's been for us rather than applauding how good he was for Everton.
I have seen some ridiculous posts here but that has to be amongst the top.Always been a big admirer of him since his days at Hamiton. He's without doubt the most talented Irish player of his generation, but not on the level of Kroos or Fabregas. I'd still jump at the opportunity to sign him, he could be the perfect replacement for Carrick.
It is unlikely he would leave this season, but if the opportunity presented to us, I would take him.
Beggars can't be choosers.
Beggars can't be choosers.
I agree with all of that, it definitely is a much safer option now that we've seen that his form for Wigan can translate to a team at a higher level. But still, I think buying him now would just make us look silly. We'd essentially be replacing a player we just bought from Everton with the player Everton bought to replace him, and we'd be paying twice as much for him. I know that none of that should really matter, but I still think it's something the club should avoid. To me, this would be a similar blunder financially to missing Fellaini's buy-out clause date and then paying 4mil or whatever it was more.
That said, if van Gaal decides McCarthy is the player he wants then I wouldn't have any problems with it.
Green_Red is truly special, and not in a good way.
if we ever get McCarty here, he would be a solid squad player.
McCarthy = Fabregas, Kroos. And then Barry = Busquets, Martinez
If we don't sort out the important first-choice CMs, then any addition like McCarthy is just going to come in, underperform in an underperforming team, and get dubbed 'the new Cleverley'. Which is essentially what happened to Cleverley, really.
There's no point buying 'solid squad players' if they end up being 'not good enough first choice players.'
There's no point buying 'solid squad players' if they end up being 'not good enough first choice players.'
That article is gone, but I'd be amazed if we signed him. All this stuff being spouted about the best players in the world and massive transfer budgets and we'd end up with him? A good player but I don't think he's anywhere near the level of players we need.
@Brightonian Agree completely.
@Brightonian Agree completely.
Completely agree. We need a big injection of quality, not more squad players. I can't believe that it's even been let get this horribly bad in central midfield. It's been a train wreck for a long time now and needs fecking sorting. Scholes, Keane or Hargreaves were never replaced.
Do you think Martinez out of most managers in the league would spend 13 million on a midfielder who wasn't a good passer of the ball ? Your reasons just look silly and arrogant in my eyes
Thats one pass. This reminds me of arsenal fans who are convinced Alex Oxlade Chamberlain is good. So they picked out one clip of him beating three bayern munich players and said "Look how good Chamberlain is."
Carrick did some great passes in his career, but it doesnt make him a top top player.
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Exactly. If we can't get 'best in the world' type players (Fabregas, Kroos, Vidal), then that's fine - even Madrid don't manage to get that sort of quality in every season. But we need to have enough next-level-down targets established that we definitely, definitely manage to get a couple. The likes of Strootman, Song, Kondogbia, Bender etc. Despite opinions to the contrary, there are loads of those sorts of midfielders out there, surely enough that we can snag a couple if we just go for them with intent and reasonably loose purse strings.
McCarthy is not one of those. He's squad-level.
Do you think Martinez out of most managers in the league would spend 13 million on a midfielder who wasn't a good passer of the ball ? Your reasons just look silly and arrogant in my eyes
Thats one pass. This reminds me of arsenal fans who are convinced Alex Oxlade Chamberlain is good. So they picked out one clip of him beating three bayern munich players and said "Look how good Chamberlain is."
Carrick did some great passes in his career, but it doesnt make him a top top player.
One mediocre gif proves nothing. If I could make gifs, I could easily find ten better passes from Cleverley. Ok, McCarthy might be a bit better than him, or have a higher ceiling or whatever, but it's all marginal compared to the difference between him and players like Kroos.
EDIT: The quoting in that post looks broken - possibly I'm responding to the wrong person here. Sorry if so.
McCarthy on his own obviously wouldn't be enough, but if you paired McCarthy with someone like Fabregas we'd be looking at a massive improvement. McCarthy would be an improvement on any of the defensively minded midfielders we currently have (bar a massive turnaround from Carrick) and then obviously we would still need a more offensive minded player. I think we need both types of players though, and McCarthy would be a good option for the defensive side.
we have to...and we will get two first class CM players. I think Kroos will be one of them. The other will be one of Vidal, Strootman or Carvalho..(I think we were not willing to pay his release clause...but we may get him for the right price)
Clearly doesn't have an exotic looking name for Brightonian.
I don't think you have seen much of McCarthy. He's a fighter, he's always there to cover our backs in defense and we'd have been exposed without him. I've said before somewhere that if you think Park had 3 lungs, McCarthy must have 4, it's incredible. He can be a bit dirty in his tackling sometimes but he leaves his mark on people (Quite literally in some cases...
) He keeps everything ticking with a purpose, he wants to get involved with it to move forward, and he bursts forward with an abundance of energy and like @BigDunc9 has shown above he has the awareness to play it off to people. The only thing he's lacking is a few goals but he's been getting himself into the correct positions, he just needed to get the first one off his back.Also, like i said to @BigDunc9 yesterday and we both agreed on. He's a player that you trust when they're on the ball. With his back to goal i don't get worried that he'll be caught out as he's very intelligent footballing wise, and knows exactly how much time and space he has to do things. He gets you out of tight situations and opens space for other players to work with.[/QUOTE]
Cleverly works hard as well. Carrick gets out of tight spaces. McCarty may be good, but it is not enough for a club like manchester united. Carrick is able to do things he does and does a good job and gets criticized.
Possibly, but it's really the Fabregas transfer that's making the difference there. Carrick last season was twice the player McCarthy has ever been, so by the same logic him next to Fabregas under a proper manager would be a massive improvement on this season. Once again, McCarthy is squad quality, not worth getting unless we get one of the top, top targets. Better, if you ask me, to be focussing on the mid-range targets like Strootman, Song, one of the Benders, Kondogbia, someone like that. That way, when we don't manage to get any of the Kroos/Fabregas/Vidal types, we don't find ourselves in the position of having almost uselessly bought James McCarthy.
Yes sorry my bad. There is something wrong with my editing. BigDunc9 posted the video.
I replied saying that it was one pass.
Will edit it now
Which tells us this was an unfounded rumour to begin with, as you were everybody.
good analysis northbynorthwest.
I thought we should have gone in for McCarthy last season. He would not have been our 'ultimate' player. But very useful. I rate Cleverly higher than many here. Under van Gaal he may find his best form. I hope so.
I thought we should have gone in for McCarthy last season. He would not have been our 'ultimate' player. But very useful. I rate Cleverly higher than many here. Under van Gaal he may find his best form. I hope so.
So much so that you cannot spell his name correctly...
jesus fcking christ will you lot spell the lads name correctly..its not fcking rocket science
MCCARTHY
MCCARTHY
gutted...........
I totally agree. McCarty brings nothing new to the table that cleverly or carrick doesnt have.
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