Must be watching a different game to other people, I've barely noticed him.
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Then added Herrera this summer anyway, leaving us with midfield options of McCarthy, Strootman, Herrera, Carrick and Fletcher. What could have been, eh?
You're probably watching the Dortmund v Leverkusen match over on BT. The Arsenal match is on Sky Sports 1.
Yes that is the game i have on, i just cannot recall anything good he's done this game to warrant the sudden boost of posts today, i don't even recall Martin Tyler saying his name "McCarthy" therefore forgot he was on the pitch.
He's not touched the ball yet first 8 mins of the 2nd half.
I was taking the piss. He has had a good game, though. McCarthy isn't the kind of player to 'catch the eye' as-per-se, but he is a very good player.
He's not a foreign player. You don't stop being British just because you opt to play for a non-British national team due to the Grandparent rule. He was born and raised in Glasgow, and came through Hamilton Accies academy. He's a British citizen, and considered a home grown player by the Premier League.
He even said he would have opted to play for Scotland had they called him up, but Ireland called him up first.
He isn't worth what Everton would demand now.
Should have signed him last summer. Though there would have been a moanfest probably of we did.
Should have signed him last summer. Though there would have been a moanfest probably of we did.
He's tidy and high energy and better than what we have.
But he's not that good. Looks great in this system where there's not much pressure on him to create or pass intricately.
I'd rather we set our sights higher.
But he's not that good. Looks great in this system where there's not much pressure on him to create or pass intricately.
I'd rather we set our sights higher.
Yes but he's still seen as a foreign player under the rules because he declared for Ireland...
Well just been watching him closey for the last 10mins, he's touched the ball 4 times.
Did 2 Tom Cleverley crab passes, attempted 1 mid-range pass which he miss hit and almost went to an Arsenal player putting his team in danger and the other an unchallenged overhead kick in his own box which went to an Arsenal player.
Did 2 Tom Cleverley crab passes, attempted 1 mid-range pass which he miss hit and almost went to an Arsenal player putting his team in danger and the other an unchallenged overhead kick in his own box which went to an Arsenal player.
Jesus...we need a world class CM and folk are on about McCarthy...fecking mental.
He'd cost the best part of 25 million as well
He'd cost the best part of 25 million as well
Most people are just saying how good he's been or become, and how we've missed out.Jesus...we need a world class CM and folk are on about McCarthy...fecking mental.
He'd cost the best part of 25 million as well
10 minutes of a game when Everton have decided to shut up shop is hardly a good indication of his performance. He's been all over the pitch, providing loads of energy and made a few good interceptions. Not his best game but still did well against one of the better teams and midfields in the league.
Agreed, and it was his first half performance that was highlighted anyway.
The last thing I'm going to say on this is people go on about English over-hyping players, if this thread is anything to go by from Irish folk, England don't hype players enough.
Jesus...we need a world class CM and folk are on about McCarthy...fecking mental.
He'd cost the best part of 25 million as well
More than that probably.
Our real point is that many of us were saying we should have gone for him last summer. If we had he'd have been a steal. Instead we went for the other guy.
Is he that much of an upgrade to Cleverley? Granted, im talking about a confident Cleverley..not the shell of the person he once was.
Christ yes.
Yes
He's much, much better.
Ah I see. I am certainly not saying McCarthy isn't a good player. I think he is. I think he will get better as well. He's not quite what we need right now for the money he would cost but yes...I'd have had him over Fellaini any day of the week.
Khedira,s available for 12 mill (plus 20 billion in wages).Jesus...we need a world class CM and folk are on about McCarthy...fecking mental.
He'd cost the best part of 25 million as well
And I'd prob rather McCarthy!
McCarthy would be a decent buy? Obviously not 'world class' or as good of a signing as Khedira but still a good buy. I'd be extremely happy if we finished this window with say Di Maria, McCarthy and another defender.Jesus...we need a world class CM and folk are on about McCarthy...fecking mental.
He'd cost the best part of 25 million as well
Confident Cleverley didn't offer much different to what the impostor of a footballer in a United shirt with his name on the back does now.
Under what rules? The Premier League has him as a home-grown player. You don't have to be English or British to be homegrown. Not sure how he is homegrown anyway as I'm fairly sure coming through the Scottish football system doesn't qualify you for the homegrown status and he didn't play for Wigan for 3 years before he was 21.
Great player though and some will just never give him the credit he deserves. Loads of people are happy to throw around 10m on Lucas Silva who they know absolutely nothing about but were going batshit crazy with the suggestion of James McCarthy for 13m last year. Evidently don't know anything about McCarthy either. McCarthy and Schneiderlin would be great signings for any team in the PL imo.
I just found this...fair enough my bad, but Irish players were definitely considered foreign but maybe that was before the Bosman! Anyway who cares.. it's went off topic!**Edit starting to become confused as Coleman is considered foreign just looked it up
List of foreign Premier League players
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This is a list of foreign players in the Premier League, which commenced play in 1992. The following players must meet both of the following two criteria:
- Have played at least one Premier League game. Players who were signed by Premier League clubs, but only played in lower league, cup and/or European games, or did not play in any competitive games at all, are not included.
- Are considered foreign, i.e., outside the United Kingdom, or Ireland determined by the following:
More specifically,
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Thats exactly what I thought. If he is from the British Isles, then he is home grown.
Does this make Fletcher a foreign player for us? I don't think so.
Welbeck and 10m should do it
ok ok I got confused I know he was born in Scotland I thought as soon as you declared for Ireland you were considered Irish therefore foreign, keep your shirt on. While we are on topic Fletcher plays for Scotland not Ireland! So what do you mean?
It doesn't matter. I was trying to make the point above my post that if you are from the British Isles, you ARE considered homegrown, whether you are from England, Scotland, Wales or Ireland.
Don't think the Irish are unless they have been at their clubs before they turned 21 It's all here..http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/10287657/Premier-League-squads-in-full-how-many-foreign-players-in-your-team.html They have players like Coleman and Hoolahan listed as foreign which is why this whole conversation has became confusing I thought the same applied when someone declared for the Republic which I was wrong about. But I knew Fletcher was homegrown which is why I asked.
Jesus, what planet are some people on? Welbeck is a miles better player than McCarthy and, as a forward, is significantly more valuable anyway.
No, he's not
I don't think so. To be considered homegrown you have to play for an FA club for 3 years before the age of 21. A lot of Irish players move to England early so qualify. Someone who moves older like Coleman does not. Coming through a Scottish club doesn't qualify you either so the likes of Naismith, Allan McGregor, and Alan Hutton aren't homegrown players.
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He's cost about 40 million this would be a ridiculously stupid signing
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