He'd be a sicknote here anyways
James McCarthy
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Exactly!
I'm still of the belief he could/should have been sacked for some of his remarks......Truly shocking.
But, let's get the thread back on track
Not even Ronaldo would have saved Moyes
He'd have done a good job at it, McCarthy alongside Carrick last year would have been a massive improvement. The McCarthy and Barry pairing for Everton last season were fantastic and most on here would agree Carrick is better than Barry.
I know you're joking but I think he has only ever had one lengthy lay-off in his career of about 15 matches. His number of senior appearances is something I've always been really impressed with. 70 or so only came in the Scottish First Division but he has double, even triple the amount of appearances as many his age.
I was begging for us to sign him from Wigan. Along with Schneiderlin, they are two of my favourite midfielders in the league and I think we could really do with a similar type of player. Just all around great midfielders who can play as the DM or in the box-to-box role with great engines and good ability on the ball to go with their great defensive work.
I have no faith in any of our signings anymore....I'm just waiting for Blind to sneeze and collapse with ligament damage or something
Not saying that he would not have been a massive upgrade on Cleverley but the way our team was playing last season would have affected him as well. People need to just look at all the other class players in our team who just totally underperformed.
Still annoys me to no end that he plays for Ireland. Great player, and would walk into the Scotland midfield.
Seems some people never learn....
"Plays" should be used loosely, usually "injured" everytime Ireland are playing and sometimes doesnt even start when he is fit, although that was mainly with Trappatoni in charge!
Really? Looking at your squad I'd of said if fit he's comfortably your best midfielder!
Elaborate.
Yeah, that's fair enough. Just that we shouldn't forget how much Henderson improved last year. He had a big impact on a team which finished 2nd.
This 'too expensive' for United thing does not include players of James McCarthy's level. We can go bigger than him if we so choose to.
If after last summer, in which we paid £27m for a full-back from Southampton (plus many more), people are still saying that the obstacle in signing James McCarthy from Everton is that we couldn't afford him, then it appears there may have been a lesson missed over the summer.
Woodward has the biggest cock in the market.
He's the first name on the team sheet for the last 2/3 seasons.
Since 2012 Glenn Whelan has 22 Caps and McCarthy 21 caps
Trap treated him like a prick at the beginning, he should have 15-20 more caps for Ireland at this point. Obviously some of that was to do with him spending the summer in 2012 with his father rather than the Euro's. (by his own request)
When did I say he would be too expensive for us to sign? I just said he would prove very expensive. Also, one season of over spending cannot mask our rather less than impressive spending record over the last few years.
He's a quality midfielder, must admit I was gutted we didn't sign him last season. But for the sake of his career he did well to miss out on Moyes.
Check the Henderson thread, it's shocking really. Henderson has become so overrated due to the fact that he isn't completely shit anymore. Exactly like Lucas a-few seasons back.
McCarthy is genuinely quality and has been a consistent PL player for far longer than Henderson. He's underrated by some because it's Irish bias and nonsense of that ilk.
To be honest there is a bit of that which puts people off. Put me off Shay Given who I never rated that highly. However both McCarthy and Coleman are two outstanding players who wouldn't look out of place in any side in the league.
Maybe there is but he is a player who has gradually progressed every season and is now a brilliant reliable PL player. I wouldn't care if I wasn't Irish, he is definitely a player I would rate. As for Coleman, he's a class act too, no doubt about that. I feel though, the 'Irish bias' card is often used as a stick to beat McCarthy with and it's always by people who clearly haven't watched him much.
Fletcher and Anderson out and MacCarthy in would be great business, but can't see LVG going for him.
May have said the same thing about Shaw to be fair. I think the club identifies players beyond just the manager and Van Gaal would be blind not to see what an asset McCarthy would be given Carrick may be coming to the end of his tenure.
Fletcher and Anderson are gone next summer regardless of who we bring in IMO.
He was excellent yesterday against Lille. I was really impressed.
It's genuinely shocking how much energy he brings to every single game. If the pass is there to be made you can gaurentee he will make it, he is fantastic.
When we didn't go for him I assumed there was a master plan to bring in a really big beast for the role....
The move above all others that I couldn't believe Wenger didn't make. That's a terrible sentence but you get my point.
This is true, I think. The same thing applies to Coleman too. You see people saying he's overrated because he's Irish even though his fellow professionals voted him into the team of the year last season.
I thought one of the reasons we dropped a ton of points was a lack of workrate in midfield and one of the reasons Everton did better than us was by having that bit of strength in the middle, like the other Everton poster pointed out the amount of work he put in could very well have been the difference between us and a 4th place finish in what was arguably a weak league last season. He's not going to transform our entire midfield but McCarthy in place of Cleverley is a tremendous addition by subtraction.
He would certainly be a quality addition if he played as well as he has under Martinez but what were the odds of that actually happening under Moyes? Nearly everybody was below par last season, there's no reason to think McCarthy would have been immune to the Moyes effect either. In fact as a naturally quiet young player making the step up he'd probably have been even more exposed to it.
It wouldn't have mattered who Moyes signed last season as conditions were such that even the best players would likely have performed well below their usual standards.
No doubt, but then again you can look at McCarthy and realise he was a big reason as to why we managed to secure our best ever points finish in the PL.
I genuinely think you'd find him to be a cyborg under medical examination as his energy levels can't be human.
I'd get both him and Strootman in. I think we're sorted in midfield then and we should have plenty of games if/when we're back in the Champions League. All different types of players for the 3 midfield roles:
--Di Maria/Herrera---Strootman/Herrera
-----------------McCarthy/Blind
Blind will get plenty of games as LB cover as well, and I think McCarthy's dynamism would add a lot. If we want to just shut up shop and get a result we can play all Blind, McCarthy, Herrera/Strootman midfield 3 as well for tough away games. He'll cost a lot though but I think it'd be worth it.
--Di Maria/Herrera---Strootman/Herrera
-----------------McCarthy/Blind
Blind will get plenty of games as LB cover as well, and I think McCarthy's dynamism would add a lot. If we want to just shut up shop and get a result we can play all Blind, McCarthy, Herrera/Strootman midfield 3 as well for tough away games. He'll cost a lot though but I think it'd be worth it.
We missed the boat with him through serious mismanagment last year. I am pretty sure he'll never end up here now. Everton are in a much better position to hold onto players and the players love playing under Martinez and they could become a top 4 team with the young squad they have. Blind has been decent and will evolve more as the season goes on. We need to find a world class box to box cm who can play next to him asap and we'll be in good shape in midfield
Yep, based on everything I've seen of them so far McCarthy would be a step up on Blind.
Plus all of McCarthy, Strootman, Blind, Herrera and Di Maria are still quite young (all between 23 and 26) so midfield would be sorted for years to come....
... how long have you been meaning to sort out that CM?
It will be interesting to see how long Everton can keep hold of him. I'd imagine him wanting to go on and play in the Champions League and i don't see him getting that at Everton. I've been watching him since his Hamilton days and always thought he'd go on to play for one of the big clubs in England. Surely Everton would be looking in the £30 million range for him now, which I would have no problem with us paying for him. Even if to just get an Irish international in the squad again.
So is he a proper defensive midfielder? someone who can play the 6 and break up play? or is he a strootman/box to box alternative?
Given that the last man in charge went six years without signing a midfielder I'd say as a club we have trying to sort this midfield for twelve months!
I'd call him a proper defensive CM, he can get forward a bit if needed but he's disciplined, aggressive, quick across the ground and protects the back 4 really well while also having decent distribution. I think he's progressed a lot over the last year.
Another MOTM performance on Sunday, along with Baines and Coleman when fit he is carrying us at the moment. Apart from Matic I am confident he is the best of his type in the league.
Since we practically paid for him can we get him off you for a discount? we took Moyes as well like, you owe us..
That was revenge for underselling Rooney all them years ago
But no you can't. I think I'd rather sell Barkley before McCarthy.
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