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Mr Pigeon said:
Strange, or rather infuriating, that the BBC haven't even mentioned this. Before I saw your posts I would've believed that the place was packed.
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I absolutely wouldn't trust the BBC for anything related to the Middle-East and would never look for any balanced depiction of the situation from them.

They're sell-outs and as pro-Israel as it gets. They will filter, leave out and/or water down any information that would paint the Israel in a bad light.

To my knowledge, the Guardian is the only British media outlet worth reading on the matter.
 
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That_Bloke said:
I absolutely wouldn't trust the BBC for anything related to the Middle-East and would never look for any balanced depiction of the situation from them.

They're sell-outs and as pro-Israel as it gets. They will filter, leave out and/or water down any information that would paint the Israel under a bad light.

To my knowledge, the Guardian is the only British media outlet worth reading on the matter.
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They're still guilty of conforming to this 'two sides' nonsense. Granted they're a lot better than almost every other major outlet.
 
That_Bloke said:
I absolutely wouldn't trust the BBC for anything related to the Middle-East and would never look for any balanced depiction of the situation from them.

They're sell-outs and as pro-Israel as it gets. They will filter, leave out and/or water down any information that would paint the Israel under a bad light.

To my knowledge, the Guardian is the only British media outlet worth reading on the matter.
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They are the least shit. They are not balanced.
 
BBC are a zionist mouthpiece. So glad I cancelled my TV License.
 


Not that there was any doubt before but It becomes clearer every day that this guy is nothing more than a Mossad asset.
 
reelworld said:
Hi remember when all the 'experts' said that US supported genocide issue will be forgotten comes the election on November?
How's that turns out eh?
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The genocide continues expanding to Lebanon and the Democrats genocide enablers never got it better in a year to win the election. Turned out not bad
 
Sad that Gaza is losing attention. Hunger, polio, continued bombings etc.
 
berbatrick said:
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The relationship between the US and Israel is weird. The US is far more powerful but it's so devoted to Israel that Netanyahu can effectively dictate American policy. He clearly knows he can do whatever he wants and they'll still support him like an enabling parent.
 
Tyrion said:
The relationship between the US and Israel is weird. The US is far more powerful but it's so devoted to Israel that Netanyahu can effectively dictate American policy. He clearly knows he can do whatever he wants and they'll still support him like an enabling parent.
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Its strange isn't it. The influence of religion is a common denominator in terms why the Israelis have a lot of influence in US society. Evangelical christians view the existence of Israel as a pre-requisite to the end of days, which explains their support. There are also a lot of jews on the Dem side of politics. Its probably one of the few issues in American politics that is tacitly bipartisan. Politicians must therefore fall in line or else risk being politically ostracized. Religion almost always poisons everything.
 
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reelworld said:
Hi remember when all the 'experts' said that US supported genocide issue will be forgotten comes the election on November?
How's that turns out eh?
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I think it turned out better than they expected. 99% of democrat voters don't care about genocide after all. I bet even the big wigs were surprised by how accepting their voters are. Just look at the election thread, genocide enabler Harris has a ton of support.
 
maniak said:
I think it turned out better than they expected. 99% of democrat voters don't care about genocide after all. I bet even the big wigs were surprised by how accepting their voters are. Just look at the election thread, genocide enabler Harris has a ton of support.
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Don't surveys indicate that voters are in favor of decreasing support to Israel? The argument was (and is) usually that the Biden administration wouldn't hurt themselves electorally if they took a tougher stance against Israel.

Despite those survey insights, the Democrats are continuing to provide full support to Israel. But also their voters won't suddenly flock to Trump so there's that.
 
maniak said:
I think it turned out better than they expected. 99% of democrat voters don't care about genocide after all. I bet even the big wigs were surprised by how accepting their voters are. Just look at the election thread, genocide enabler Harris has a ton of support.
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The switch to Harris gives enough plausible deniability; Biden was definitely gonna shed some voters. But yeah there is basically nobody that partisan voters won't betray in the end, they threw 'no human is illegal' in the trash at the speed of light too.
 
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maniak said:
I think it turned out better than they expected. 99% of democrat voters don't care about genocide after all. I bet even the big wigs were surprised by how accepting their voters are. Just look at the election thread, genocide enabler Harris has a ton of support.
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Her support isn't organic support, it still a lot of, "Well, at least she isn't Trump."
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Her support isn't organic support, it still a lot of, "Well, at least she isn't Trump."
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Its organic in the sense its not really an issue for most US voters. Women's rights, domestic fiscal policies and the economy are obviously issues that will strike a tune with the voting demographic. Some Arab kids thousands of miles away being genocided courtesy of the US tax payer doesn't.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Her support isn't organic support, it still a lot of, "Well, at least she isn't Trump."
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There's a lot of that, sure. But seeing the rallies, reading online, a lot of people see her like a good candidate with good policies.
 
africanspur said:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/improving-egypt-israel-relations-shadow-gaza

Whenever this is over, the philadelphi corridor will continue to be a source of tension between Egypt and Israel.

Also was not aware of quite the extent of the build up of the Egyptian military in the past decade in the Sinai.
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Egyptian military is a complete paper tiger: it's huge in numerical quantity and on paper has a lot of western gear but a lot of it has been watered down (on purpose) and is a force more suitable to squashing internal dissent than it is fighting an actual conflict.

Egypt also knows this and despite its Sinai presence, it's actually a co-operation with Israel in counter-terrorism actions.

Furthermore their relations are normalized and Sisi is just a puppet at this point.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Egyptian military is a complete paper tiger: it's huge in numerical quantity and on paper has a lot of western gear but a lot of it has been watered down (on purpose) and is a force more suitable to squashing internal dissent than it is fighting an actual conflict.

Egypt also knows this and despite its Sinai presence, it's actually a co-operation with Israel in counter-terrorism actions.

Furthermore their relations are normalized and Sisi is just a puppet at this point.
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Oh for sure. The Egyptian armed forces are mostly there to enrich themselves at the cost of their countrymen and put down dissent.

Out of interest, do you mean that the Americans sell them equipment worse than what the Israelis have to ensure Israeli superiority? That was my understanding. Or are you saying that even equivalent equipment sold to them is purposefully weakened?
 
africanspur said:
Oh for sure. The Egyptian armed forces are mostly there to enrich themselves at the cost of their countrymen and put down dissent.

Out of interest, do you mean that the Americans sell them equipment worse than what the Israelis have to ensure Israeli superiority? That was my understanding. Or are you saying that even equivalent equipment sold to them is purposefully weakened?
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It’s not that they sold the initial weapon itself at as a knock off version - the f16 blocks that US sold to Egypt are in line with the other f16 blocks from that generation. It is inferior to the blocks that Israel has, however.

US doesn’t really sell knock off individual equipment like the soviets used to for example. Barely anything exists that has a specific knock off variant for export, Abrams being the main exception due to armour composition being classified.

What the Americans do instead is refuse to sell the crucial parts that make something truly effective.

In the case of Egypt, they sold them f16s but refuse to sell them AMRAAMs and Egypt had to rely on AIM-7 sparrows which are pretty obsolete for modern BVR combat. Israel of course do not have this limitation.

And to answer your question, yes a huge part of this is to keep them weaker than Israel by orders of magnitude, by design.
 
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