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Wilt said:
Horrific story ….so why no mention anywhere?
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Honestly, you'd probably need to ask much better informed posters then me, sadly :( . I'd go with the usual pro-Israel news reporting being a factor, but again, I'm not that informed and I'd hate to be spreading misinformation. I just did a quick google and there are a few stories around the babies story after the Rafah aftermath, but not many from any major news outlets as far as i can see.
 
Giggsy PO said:
Man, you like to talk about me a lot. I do not remember calling posters out for not replying in time. Don’t you confuse me with somebody else?

The rest of your word salad I don’t see any argument, just repeated and rinsed positions and naratives (which you see as facts). You are more informed than former ICJ chief justice. She is probably also disengenous. You have better info than Haviv Gur. You are the moral pinnacle of the issue. But you won on word count. That is for sure.
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The first post was quoting another poster by mistake. You didn't complain about nobody replying to you so for that I apologise. However the post I quoted was by a poster who has been tagging.you for time and asking why you continually ignore him and his questions. That right there is exactly my point. You post selectively and ignore others when they tag you and ask you questions.

As for the rest of your post it just proves my point even further. You can't discuss anything relevant just post sarcastic replies whilst ignoring things that have been well documented and backed up with evidence.
 
Pav1878 said:
However, when you say the soldiers wouldn’t have shot those three men if they had known they were hostages, can we infer that they shot them because they thought they were Palestinians? What kind of heroes who have been ‘risking their lives’, shoot people carrying white flags?
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Yeah, that was a strange defence of their actions.
 
Giggsy PO said:
Man, you like to talk about me a lot. I do not remember calling posters out for not replying in time. Don’t you confuse me with somebody else?

The rest of your word salad I don’t see any argument, just repeated and rinsed positions and naratives (which you see as facts). You are more informed than former ICJ chief justice. She is probably also disengenous. You have better info than Haviv Gur. You are the moral pinnacle of the issue. But you won on word count. That is for sure.
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I'll call you out for not replying to me ;)
 
Pav1878 said:
However, when you say the soldiers wouldn’t have shot those three men if they had known they were hostages, can we infer that they shot them because they thought they were Palestinians? What kind of heroes who have been ‘risking their lives’, shoot people carrying white flags?

Please don’t try to paint the IDF as heroic because they are not. They are blood thirsty genocidal maniacs who have carried out war crimes and crimes against humanity for decades, not just since October 7th.
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Please stop looking for hidden meanings in my words. I did not say they were heros. And yes, they have been doing terrible things and they did shoot them thinking they were Palestenians.

It's just about facts. They have been risking their lives trying to find hostages and bodies. It does not make them heroes. It does not make the IDF heroic.
 
langster said:
The first post was quoting another poster by mistake. You didn't complain about nobody replying to you so for that I apologise. However the post I quoted was by a poster who has been tagging.you for time and asking why you continually ignore him and his questions. That right there is exactly my point. You post selectively and ignore others when they tag you and ask you questions.

As for the rest of your post it just proves my point even further. You can't discuss anything relevant just post sarcastic replies whilst ignoring things that have been well documented and backed up with evidence.
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Then why do you bother? You basically insult me all over your post and when you receive something back you freak out. I didnt receive answers to my questions too. So what? I dont make big deal of it. People might forgot, the question is not interesting to them, they dont have time, they consider the question to Be in Bad faith, whatever the reason. People dont live in this thread 24/7.

It is only in your world you know for sure why people who support Israel dont post here.And let me tell you something, just because you say something is documented and backed by evidence doesnt mean it is actually documented and backed by evidence. Hence why you ignored my ICJ comment. The judge had the exactly same evidence as you do, but came to different conclusion.
 
Wilt said:
Horrific story ….so why no mention anywhere?
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Define anywhere. Search Rafah tent massacre. It wasn't just decapitated children but people of all ages were also burned alive and their bodies torn to pieces. There's a video of a father holding the body of his headless child that can't be posted here. This isn't an isolated incident, similar massacres have been happening regularly for the last 8 months.

I don't think many in the English media reported the image of that child but there was this article in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/comment.../30/biden-palestinian-beheaded-israeli-babies
 
Why even engage with Genocide apologists?
Their arguments are so outdated it’s not even funny. Anything Palestinians do will always be bad to them and anything Israel does will always be good or at worst a misunderstanding. They should be shamed and ignored

Free Palestine; end apartheid
 
space said:
Why even engage with Genocide apologists?
Their arguments are so outdated it’s not even funny. Anything Palestinians do will always be bad to them and anything Israel does will always be good or at worst a misunderstanding. They should be shamed and ignored

Free Palestine; end apartheid
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:+1:
 
Giggsy PO said:
Then why do you bother? You basically insult me all over your post and when you receive something back you freak out. I didnt receive answers to my questions too. So what? I dont make big deal of it. People might forgot, the question is not interesting to them, they dont have time, they consider the question to Be in Bad faith, whatever the reason. People dont live in this thread 24/7.

It is only in your world you know for sure why people who support Israel dont post here.And let me tell you something, just because you say something is documented and backed by evidence doesnt mean it is actually documented and backed by evidence. Hence why you ignored my ICJ comment. The judge had the exactly same evidence as you do, but came to different conclusion.
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You're taking me attacking your posts as insults, that's laughable. I'm only bothering because I knew.you would reply to me, and in this way. It's funny because you're replying to me continuously regarding me attacking you and yet you have repeatedly ignored posts about the actual topics discussed in here.

As for the ICJ, that's been debated here numerous times yet you didn't get involved. The evidence is clear, the world knows hence why so many are protesting about it all over the world. It's why countries are now standing up against it. Global politics is a tricky situation and many countries, especially smaller ones have to be careful as the consequences for bucking the trend or contradicting or opposing the superpowers can be extremely detrimental to them and their people.

The fact some are now speaking out speaks volumes about the situation. More will follow, that's for sure. The same as you arguing about feeling personally attacked and replying to me yet ignoring questions for months or not engaging in the main issues such as the continued bombing of Rafah, the shit storm in the West Bank, the starving of millions and blocking of food aid by Israelis, the complete destruction of entire towns, the lies.spread about the tunnels and UNWRA being classed as a terrorist organisation despite evidence showing the lies and propaganda spread to distract from the unwarranted attacks, political slander and defending of them or the continued onslaught and bombing campaign and ground offensive.

All that and more is being discussed but.you chose to instead reply to someone attacking your reluctance to discuss those issues.it really says a lot. I'm off to work now. Have a nice day.
 
Wilt said:
Horrific story ….so why no mention anywhere?
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Ding! ding! ding!

We don't do mentions of horrific stories. We do mentions of what is ideologically useful. In this case we mention what furthers the aims of Apartheid Israel and the Western governments that have a stake in said racist endeavour.

And attempt to bury anything that doesn't serve our interests, including killings, mutilations, starvation of women and children by our allies, using our weapons.
 
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AfonsoAlves said:
This figure is practically impossible to reach, I've seen estimates that are more along the lines of the 10k mark, which seems more reasonable. Which is still absurdly high.

If you use the 70k tonnes figure, if you took every operational plane IAF has (+-200), and they used the largest bomb (2000lb Mk84/Paveway Series), the operational tempo per plane needs to average out to 350 sorties. Which, over a 7 month period is practically impossible to achieve. Given F-15 and F16 readiness rates are pretty well known, this sortie rate is impossible.

Anyway, only post i'm making on this subject lest I be accused of diversion again, but these military technical topics are of great interest to me :p
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They used 21 kilotons in their 2014 offensive, even how horrific that was the current slaughter pales in comparison. Even if its double than 2014 (I suspect it's a lot more ) 42 kilotons is an absurd amount of fire power
 
So now they're bombing UNRWA schools but it's fine cause they'll just say Hamas and that's that.

It's just too depraved, too hypocritical to even process now. I've stepped away from twitter because the amount of hate and disinformation from Israeli flaggers has ramped up to fascist level. I'd like to stick with my assumption that it's not representative of all Israelis (and supporters) and these fascist c**ts make it harder day by day.
 
Israeli strike on UN shelter in Gaza kills at least 27

Roulette wheel turned. Options are

-Hamas tunnels underneath
-Hamas operatives inside
-Palestinian misfired missile
-Tragic mistake
-We need to investigate further to find out what happened (and commit another atrocity a few days later so everyone forgets about this current one)

Seems the option this time was Hamas operative in central Gaza. The place they've supposedly cleared already.

Great stuff.
 
africanspur said:
Israeli strike on UN shelter in Gaza kills at least 27

Roulette wheel turned. Options are

-Hamas tunnels underneath
-Hamas operatives inside
-Palestinian misfired missile
-Tragic mistake
-We need to investigate further to find out what happened (and commit another atrocity a few days later so everyone forgets about this current one)

Seems the option this time was Hamas operative in central Gaza. The place they've supposedly cleared already.

Great stuff.
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They're specifically targetting UNRWA, they want them gone from Gaza.

Don't forget that there's a Knesset preliminary bill to list it as terrorist organization.
 
That_Bloke said:
They're specifically targetting UNRWA, they want them gone from Gaza.

Don't forget that there's a Knesset preliminary bill to list it as terrorist organization.
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Israel want everything out from Gaza, the UN, free media, anyone or anything that can be witnesses to the genocide.
 
Giggsyking said:
In broad daylight in the US.
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We have been in shock throughout at the atrocities, but also the response of the US and UK. I still can’t believe they can openly call for ethnic cleansing and no one bats an eyelid.

Sometimes I feel like I am in a weird nightmarish alternative dimension where people have lost all sense of humanity, morals and right and wrong.

We wake up every morning to yet another massacre of innocent civilians and now it seems to have been normalised.

The wretched people of the world, including some who frequent these threads, who defend what we are seeing, are lost causes as human beings.

Unfortunately these people are at the top of the political pyramid and the rest of us need to oust them and hold them accountable.

It is clear that Palestinians won’t be free for a long time yet. Even after this blood shed is over, there is a long road ahead to Palestinian statehood and it has to start with the removal of right wing Zionists from Israeli government.
 
Pav1878 said:
Sometimes I feel like I am in a weird nightmarish alternative dimension where people have lost all sense of humanity, morals and right and wrong.
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It's mad.

You have to believe that if Aparthied South Africa, the Jim Crow South, the Armenian Genocide, the transatlantic slave trade, the Holocaust were being live broadcast today, you'd likely have the same bunch popping in to downplay, equivocate, justify what was happening, so long as it was deemed politically expedient.
 
dumbo said:
It's mad.

You have to believe that if Aparthied South Africa, the Jim Crow South, the Armenian Genocide, the transatlantic slave trade, the Holocaust were being live broadcast today, you'd likely have the same bunch popping in to downplay, equivocate, justify what was happening, so long as it was deemed politically expedient.
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Absolutely.
The West doesn’t sit up and take notice unless it is happening on their doorstep and to white people, eg Ukraine.

If it’s brown kids dying it is far off somewhere and doesn’t impact their daily lives and gets forgotten. ‘Well, they’re always fighting in the Middle East,’ type mentality. Overlooking the fact that most conflicts in the Middle East have been caused by western foreign policy.

Im disgusted and disillusioned.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
But it's Palestinian supporting students and staff that are facing censure and expulsion. Are you posting that history example to support them?
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You know very well in whom support I posted those historical examples. But it is not what you are asking, is it?

If you say that current rise of antisemitism and harassment of Israeli/Jewish students/staff is basically on the par with Palestinian supporting students and staff facing negative consequences...we will never agree on that. I am not saying it is not happening at all but the extent is incomparable.
 
Giggsy PO said:
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It took me all of 30 seconds to find the actual IPC report and another 30 seconds to read the conclusions. None of those tweets are remotely true if you'd have bothered to read it.

Well done though, another bollocks post on the day of a major IDF war crime.
 
Giggsy PO said:
You know very well in whom support I posted those historical examples. But it is not what you are asking, is it?

If you say that current rise of antisemitism and harassment of Israeli/Jewish students/staff is basically on the par with Palestinian supporting students and staff facing negative consequences...we will never agree on that. I am not saying it is not happening at all but the extent is incomparable.
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I very clearly asked what I asked.

There is a clear parallelism in your example.
It's just not the one you intended.
 
Smores said:
It took me all of 30 seconds to find the actual IPC report and another 30 seconds to read the conclusions. None of those tweets are remotely true if you'd have bothered to read it.

Well done though, another bollocks post on the day of a major IDF war crime.
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You mean report that is actually linked in the tweet? Maybe you should read it more than for 30 seconds.
 
RedC said:
You are genuinely so far gone as a human to read something like that, believe it, and then most likely gleefully post it in here as some form of gotcha.
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I am sorry to follow Israeli journalists. From now on I will only take my information from this thread.
 
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