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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — President-elect Donald Trump will nominate former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee as ambassador to Israel, Trump announced Tuesday.

Huckabee is a staunch defender of Israel and his intended nomination comes as Trump has promised to align U.S. foreign policy more closely with Israel’s interests as it wages wars against Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-tr...aff-huckabee-f51121db5b18814bbab014e872c2a736
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Excellent. Everything going to script.
 
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...fter-all/00000193-1c92-de99-a9bb-ddb357c70000

In my continued quest to see if/when US/EU news sources will come out and call a spade a spade I have the irony of coming across something which is not actually as unique as it seems: that is, Israel's primary newspaper (for global audience, they also have one or two major internals which Israelis here can comment on) has run, with a lead, (opinion piece), entitled Maybe Israel is Committing Genocide After All?

The non-unique part is that Israeli newspapers like Haaretz have quite often condemned, outright, Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank when the US/EU press is too scared to say a word. Maybe it's the fact the within Israel there are 2.5~ Palestnian-Arab-Israelis who have full Israeli citizenship. I don't know quite frankly but it just goes to show how ridiculous the Western media's wall of silence is when the premier Israeli paper is itself now breaking that wall of silence.

The irritating part is it is pay-walled so we cannot read the full article. I suspect, but cannot know, that the author would pin it to Bibi and Ben Gvir and that regime rather than Israel as a whole but you never actually know because some of the most radical criticism of Israel, Israeli policy that is, comes directly from Israel. It's the western journalists and press houses that are a complete disgrace here.
 
Israeli court has rejected Netanyahu's appeal to delay his testimony in his trial, so he's supposed to take the stand in three weeks.

He's a shitty witness and really wants to avoid that.

So I wonder what might accidently happen between now and December 2nd. An attack on Iran? World War 3?
 
Amir said:
Israeli court has rejected Netanyahu's appeal to delay his testimony in his trial, so he's supposed to take the stand in three weeks.

He's a shitty witness and really wants to avoid that.

So I wonder what might accidently happen between now and December 2nd. An attack on Iran? World War 3?
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A staged assassination or coup attempt? The possibilities are endless yet so often highly specific with people like that.
 
neverdie said:
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...fter-all/00000193-1c92-de99-a9bb-ddb357c70000

In my continued quest to see if/when US/EU news sources will come out and call a spade a spade I have the irony of coming across something which is not actually as unique as it seems: that is, Israel's primary newspaper (for global audience, they also have one or two major internals which Israelis here can comment on) has run, with a lead, (opinion piece), entitled Maybe Israel is Committing Genocide After All?

The non-unique part is that Israeli newspapers like Haaretz have quite often condemned, outright, Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank when the US/EU press is too scared to say a word. Maybe it's the fact the within Israel there are 2.5~ Palestnian-Arab-Israelis who have full Israeli citizenship. I don't know quite frankly but it just goes to show how ridiculous the Western media's wall of silence is when the premier Israeli paper is itself now breaking that wall of silence.

The irritating part is it is pay-walled so we cannot read the full article. I suspect, but cannot know, that the author would pin it to Bibi and Ben Gvir and that regime rather than Israel as a whole but you never actually know because some of the most radical criticism of Israel, Israeli policy that is, comes directly from Israel. It's the western journalists and press houses that are a complete disgrace here.
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Haaretz is a very good publication
 
dumbo said:
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Monsters... Real monsters. Israel should suffer the worst sanctions ever seen, exclude them from everything that has to do with the west and eventually their citizens will run Netanyahu and his genocidal government out of the country.
 
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A more complete version of the evidence given by British professor of transplantation surgery Nizam Mamode to the IDC.


I've worked in a number of different parts of the world, I was there at the time of the Rwandan genocide and I've never seen anything on this scale
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The drones would come down and pick off civilians – children. We had description after description – this is not an occasional thing.
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that's clearly a deliberate act and it was a persistent act – the persistent targeting of civilians day after day. We had one or two mass casualty incidents every day.
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the bullets that the drones fire are these these little cuboid pellets, I fished a number of them out of the abdomen of small children
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worth reading all the way through, because this evil document, indoctrinating kids to support settler-colonialism and genocide, is a fairer representation of israeli-palestinian history than, say, what biden or the average american believes

 
berbatrick said:
worth reading all the way through, because this evil document, indoctrinating kids to support settler-colonialism and genocide, is a fairer representation of israeli-palestinian history than, say, what biden or the average american believes
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Looks batshit crazy, but nothing to suggest its Texas 9th grade curriculum?
 






To commit the horrors we've seen in the last 405 days, you need the participation of an entire society.
 
The Israel Genocide Tracker account on Twitter is doing a good job of exposing those degenerates in IOF. Hopefully every single one of them will meet their end for partaking in this genocide.
 
Man feck this world. I hope Palestine is free in my lifetime. They have suffered cruelty beyond words. I hope anyone and everyone who supports Israel gets called out and shamed for being a genocide apologist for the rest of their lives.
 
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Man feck this world. I hope Palestine is free in my lifetime. They have suffered cruelty beyond words. I hope anyone and everyone who supports Israel gets called out and shamed for being a genocide apologist for the rest of their lives.
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The problem with people like that is they genuinely don't see this as genocide no matter how much evidence there is, so I don't think being labelled that is going to affect them too much unfortunately.
 
I hope those who are carrying out this genocide, supporting it, and financing it, die slow and very painful deaths, and then burn in hell after that.

The absolute worst of human kind and honestly, they're worse than the Nazi's.
 
Idxomer said:
To commit the horrors we've seen in the last 405 days, you need the participation of an entire society.
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Not really. You just need to keep a large part of the population - who are not directly involved with this - oblivious to what it happening, fearful and hateful enough so that they don't care what happens to others, and focused on getting by from day to day with the rising cost of living.

Do that - and between Netanyahu's PR machine and the Israeli media playing its part, it's exactly what's happening - and most people will simply not care about what's happening behind fences - whether it's in jails or in the Gaza strip.
 
Amir said:
Not really. You just need to keep a large part of the population - who are not directly involved with this - oblivious to what it happening, fearful and hateful enough so that they don't care what happens to others, and focused on getting by from day to day with the rising cost of living.

Do that - and between Netanyahu's PR machine and the Israeli media playing its part, it's exactly what's happening - and most people will simply not care about what's happening behind fences - whether it's in jails or in the Gaza strip.
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Agreed. Different times obviously with a lack of all the media attention we have today - but this was made painfully clear to me when visiting the Dachau concentration camp. I was shocked to see how it's basically in the middle of a neighborhood and no that wasn't all built after the war. They basically explained in the exhibition there that many residents just simply didn't question the Nazi Party and just assumed it was some kind of worker camp but not one that was hiding mass executions and horrible medical experiments. It was very disturbing yet eye opening too to know that some atrocities are quite literally committed in some people s backyards and somehow don't question the narrative.
 
This is not the 1930s, Israel is not an absolute dictatorship, israelis have internet, they willingly voted for these people.
 
maniak said:
This is not the 1930s, Israel is not an absolute dictatorship, israelis have internet, they willingly voted for these people.
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No, this isn't the 1930s. But being a (very faulty right now) democracy is meaningless if there are no election. There's a reason why the government is doing everything it can do in order to avoid calling an early election. By now, demonsrations calling for a deal that will release the hostages and for early election are getting smaller and smaller. People have realised they are meaningless. The government doesn't care.

Israelis voted for this government (just about...). They didn't vote for it after it attempted a dictatorship-like judificial reform and didn't vote for it after the war began. And yes, I know the problems with the Palestenians and with Gaza did not start a year ago, but still.

As for the internet, yeah, but most people use it in order to follow Israeli websites. Not that many are on Twitter, which is where a lot of users here get their information.
 
Amir said:
No, this isn't the 1930s. But being a (very faulty right now) democracy is meaningless if there are no election. There's a reason why the government is doing everything it can do in order to avoid calling an early election. By now, demonsrations calling for a deal that will release the hostages and for early election are getting smaller and smaller. People have realised they are meaningless. The government doesn't care.

Israelis voted for this government (just about...). They didn't vote for it after it attempted a dictatorship-like judificial reform and didn't vote for it after the war began. And yes, I know the problems with the Palestenians and with Gaza did not start a year ago, but still.

As for the internet, yeah, but most people use it in order to follow Israeli websites. Not that many are on Twitter, which is where a lot of users here get their information.
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This is exactly how it was here. Milosevic assured everyone that everything was being done for our safety—even our survival. Many people turned a blind eye to the suffering inflicted on others who were not us, and some even took pleasure in the cruelty that unfolded.

But when sanctions hit us, bombs fell, and we couldn’t afford even a loaf of bread, the tide changed. The people rose up and swiftly removed Milosevic and his associates from power.

Israel needs sanctions that will severely impact its population, and I promise you, once the hardships reach the people, they will come together in force to hold those responsible accountable.
 
Denis79 said:
Israel needs sanctions that will severely impact its population, and I promise you, once the hardships reach the people, they will come together in force to hold those responsible accountable.
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Possibly, but I'm not sure. Israeli society is so fractured. You've got the Netanyahu devotees who will never find fault in his actions (at least not enough to want him out), The ultra-religious who are tied to him, the extreme right who use him.

I just don't see real hope here long term.
 
berbatrick said:
worth reading all the way through, because this evil document, indoctrinating kids to support settler-colonialism and genocide, is a fairer representation of israeli-palestinian history than, say, what biden or the average american believes

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That's 100 years old. That "great power" has to refer to the British Empire because that's exactly what happened (took over the Ottoman Empire's various positions with the French plus Balfour and we don't need to go through the entire history). The task they're asking the reader, whatever the feck Jed is, to do was done a century ago.
 
Meanwhile, the UN has stated that Israel's actions in Gaza are consistent with Genocide.

The US said that if the Israelis did not allow aid through they would withhold aid (weapons). The Israelis said no, basically, and America framed it has "progress has been made, and so we'll send them weapons to commit genocide anyway".

The United Nations Special Committee has released a report asserting that Israel’s actions in Gaza align with the characteristics of genocide, citing extensive civilian casualties and the use of starvation as a weapon.
The report accuses Israel of deliberately causing death and suffering through its blockade, obstruction of humanitarian aid, and targeted attacks on civilians and aid workers, despite international appeals and rulings.
The committee also criticised Israel’s use of AI-assisted targeting with minimal human oversight, combined with the deployment of heavy explosives, for failing to adequately differentiate between civilians and combatants, resulting in significant civilian deaths.
Additionally, the report highlights public statements from Israeli officials endorsing the destruction of essential water, sanitation, and food systems in Gaza and restricting access to fuel.
Israel, which earlier dismissed similar accusations by South Africa as “grossly distorted,” defends its actions as self-defense, asserting its operations are aimed at Hamas, not Palestinian civilians. Meanwhile, Palestinians fleeing northern Gaza report severe food shortages and deaths from hunger, while aid organizations warn of an impending famine.
The US, despite its deadline for improved humanitarian access, concluded that Israel is not obstructing aid to Gaza and will continue its military assistance, though this contrasts with reports of aid not reaching those in need on the ground.
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https://freepresskashmir.news/2024/...acteristics-of-genocide-un-special-committee/

Indonesia, meanwhile, has called for the complete expulsion of Israel from the UN. Why the US, despite its Israeli fetish, might want to take note: it is one of those crucial Islands in the Island chain logic (qua China) which it seeks to keep on side.
 
neverdie said:
Meanwhile, the UN has stated that Israel's actions in Gaza are consistent with Genocide.

The US said that if the Israelis did not allow aid through they would withhold aid (weapons). The Israelis said no, basically, and America framed it has "progress has been made, and so we'll send them weapons to commit genocide anyway".


https://freepresskashmir.news/2024/...acteristics-of-genocide-un-special-committee/

Indonesia, meanwhile, has called for the complete expulsion of Israel from the UN. Why the US, despite its Israeli fetish, might want to take note: it is one of those crucial Islands in the Island chain logic (qua China) which it seeks to keep on side.
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Can't wait for a Trump special where the UN moves its headquarters and with it its center of power to other countries. In some ways id almost love to see that.
 
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