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Egypt changed terms of Gaza ceasefire deal presented to Hamas, surprising negotiators, sources say

Egyptian intelligence quietly changed the terms of a ceasefire proposal that Israel had already signed off on earlier this month, ultimately scuttling a deal that could have released Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, and set a pathway to temporarily end the fighting in Gaza, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/...changing-ceasefire-terms-for-hamas/index.html
 
Just the axis of evil holding out as usual.
 
I guess Norway and Ireland will be happy to take in Palestinian refugees. But they won't, because they couldn't really care less
 
Revan said:
Is terrorism worse than genocide?
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Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
 
Question: let's say Gaza/WB together become a Palestinian state. How problematic will it be that these two territories are separated? To travel from Gaza to WB and vice versa, you'd have to cross Israeli territory, right?
 
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
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Does Spain occupy Catalonia?
 
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
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Is Spain violating some UN resolution? Israel is violating international law by occupying Palestinian territories.
 
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
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Indeed, that genocides are not cool.

If Spain starts doing a genocide in Catalonia (for whatever reasons), other states should recognize Catalonia.

And of course, it is a completely different scenario considering that Spain is not occupying Catalonia, while Israel is occupying Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
 
VorZakone said:
Question: let's say Gaza/WB together become a Palestinian state. How problematic will it be that these two territories are separated? To travel from Gaza to WB and vice versa, you'd have to cross Israeli territory, right?
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They would never accept it, because it has been offered before and declined.

I guess a good option would be to build a tunnel connecting the two but would be a major infrastructure project.
 
Americas International reputation is right back down in the mud. I thought it couldn't go lower than Trumps term, but I was wrong. This will never be forgotten. An utter disgrace.
 
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
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Spain had similar experience with ETA and Basque separatist movement. However they didn't bomb the basque into oblivion and genocide them, so nobody saw fit to call for Basque statehood. Also UK didn't bomb hospitals in Ireland as a retaliation for IRA's terrorism.

Considering the history of jewish people, it is absolutelly horrifying what Israel does to Palestinians. I'm appalled beyond words.

Also, the statement from three countries specifically does not support Hamas, the organization that organized october 7th. It's not the palestinians that did that terrible act, it's Hamas. But now normal palestinians are suffering. But I guess for you it's hard to differentiate between two.
 
gfactor86 said:
Just sets a precedent.

Now if the Catalans are serious about statehood then they should launch a heinous campaign of brutal terrorism against Spain? Spark a reaction from Spain, so that the world recognises that the Catalan's should have a state.
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"Spark a reaction" meaning genocide and manufactured starvation, in this parallelism.
 
He's a troll chaps, he was posting pictures of bustling markets claiming it was Gaza not so long ago.
 
Couldn’t be happier with today’s news. Israel have seen apartheid doesn’t work, so now resorts to ethnic cleansing. They need the South Africa treatment. If their populace can’t see how damaging their policies are to their own self interest, then there’s no hope for them.
 
A welcome move by those three nations.

Unfortunately the UK are too spineless to follow through, regardless of whether its the Tories or Labour at the helm. They'll simply mimic the US' stance and form their own axis of genocidal apologism. Much like Apartheid South Africa they'll cling on to the very end supporting the oppressor.
 
gfactor86 said:
So in the eyes of Norway and Ireland terrorism wins. The reward for 7th October is statehood.
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Let’s go through this again now shall we?
It’s not a case of Terrorism winning or losing. This is a freedom struggle which dates way back before October 7th.

If you really want to go down this path, why don’t you look up how Israel was founded on Jewish Terror groups like the Irgun who murdered Palestinians and also bombed the King David Hotel, with some of the victims being British?

Since then we have seen state terrorism from Israel against the Palestinian people and the rise of Palestinian resistance.
An oppressed people will always resist if backed into a corner with little diplomatic avenues to pursue.
 
Kaos said:
A welcome move by those three nations.

Unfortunately the UK are too spineless to follow through, regardless of whether its the Tories or Labour at the helm. They'll simply mimic the US' stance and form their own axis of genocidal apologism. Much like Apartheid South Africa they'll cling on to the very end supporting the oppressor.
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So true.

the so called allies and leaders of the free world, whatever that means.
 
gfactor86 said:
They would never accept it, because it has been offered before and declined.

I guess a good option would be to build a tunnel connecting the two but would be a major infrastructure project.
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This is why so many writers and thinkers like Ilan Pappe and Noam Chomsky have advocated a one state solution, with equal rights for both Palestinians and Israelis. Similar to Bosnia and Herzegovina.

I’m not sure that would work however. Too much has happened. If it was me I wouldn’t want to live with the IDF who murdered my children.

The complexities of the territory itself are there for sure and I don’t know how you solve that issue.
When India was partitioned there was east and west Pakistan formed but it didn’t last long and east Pakistan became Bangladesh.
 
The only country to offer the Palestinians a state was Israel. No one else did. On all occasions the offer was declined. Why? Because they want all of Israel (River to the Sea).

You think Hamas will be happy with a state in Gaza/WB? Wake up.

All that would happen is the Palestinian state would fail. Hamas and terrorist would continue to continue to fire at Israel, but this time Israel would finish the job and could do so under international law (State attacking another state).
 
Pav1878 said:
This is why so many writers and thinkers like Ilan Pappe and Noam Chomsky have advocated a one state solution, with equal rights for both Palestinians and Israelis. Similar to Bosnia and Herzegovina.

I’m not sure that would work however. Too much has happened. If it was me I wouldn’t want to live with the IDF who murdered my children.

The complexities of the territory itself are there for sure and I don’t know how you solve that issue.
When India was partitioned there was east and west Pakistan formed but it didn’t last long and east Pakistan became Bangladesh.
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The one state solution, whilst actually the better one, is never going to fly. Not because of 10/7 or everything that happened since 1948, but because demographics would be on the side of the Palestinians in the long-term which would effectively means the end of Israel as a jewish state.

Not sure how many jewish Israelis would roll with that.
 
VorZakone said:
Is Spain violating some UN resolution? Israel is violating international law by occupying Palestinian territories.
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Can you please be more specific what international law are you speaking about? Geneva convention? If so, you are saying Israel is occupying Jordanian territory? If that is the case, the occupation ended in 1994 by peace treaty between Israel and Jordan. Or you do say that after 1967 Israel is occupying its own territory? Or you do say that Israel is occupying Palestinian territory which was occupied by Jordan until 1967. Or Israel is occupying territories of Mandate of Palestine? Occupation is a legal term which you cannot use as you like. Or you can, but it has no legal bases in international law.
 
2mufc0 said:
I'm afraid the precedent has already been set

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Guinness,_1st_Baron_Moyne

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

There are many more skeletons in the closet too. Your standards seem to be selective.
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Israel has had two PMs who were terrorists:

- Menachem Begin (Leader of the Irgun)
- Yithzak Shamir (Leader of the Lehi)

Another one who was a certified war criminal:

- Ariel Sharon (the Sabra and Chatila massacre in 1982 carried out by christian lebanese phalangists happened under his willful watch. That's one of his many heroic deeds)

Today:

- Benjamin Netanyahu: a crook and also a war criminal

Hearing and Israel and its sycophants talking about terrorism and rewarding it is absolutely hilarious.

We also got a massive revisionist in this thread as the post just above mine shows.
 
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That_Bloke said:
The one state solution, whilst actually the better one, is never going to fly. Not because of 10/7 or everything that happened since 1948, but because demographics would be on the side of the Palestinians in the long-term which would effectively means the end of Israel as a jewish state.

Not sure how many jewish Israelis would roll with that.
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This is true. A single state solution has as many obstacles as a two state solution.
Plus what would you call it?

I do have a problem with how the Israelis talk about being a Jewish state, but also talk of themselves as being a democracy. Which is it? Are you a secular democracy or are you a theocracy?
 
That_Bloke said:
Israel has had two PMs who were terrorists:

- Menachem Begin (Leader of the Irgun)
- Yithzak Shamir (Leader of the Lehi)

Another one who was certified war criminal:

- Ariel Sharon (the Sabra and Chatila massacre in 1982 carried out by christian lebanese phalangists happened under his willful watch. That's one of his magnificent deeds)

Today:

- Benjamin Netanyahu: a crook and also a war criminal


Hearing and Israel and its sycophants talking about terrorism and rewarding it is absolutely hilarious.

We also got a massive revisionist in this thread as the post just above mine shows.
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Not to mention that Israels current Minister of National Security literally idolizes a terrorist and mass murderer to the point that he used to have his portrait in his living room.
 
Pav1878 said:
This is true. A single state solution has as many obstacles as a two state solution.
Plus what would you call it?

I do have a problem with how the Israelis talk about being a Jewish state, but also talk of themselves as being a democracy. Which is it? Are you a secular democracy or are you a theocracy?
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I have a problem with any state declaring themselves based on a particular race. Creates big big issues.
 
Giggsy PO said:
Can you please be more specific what international law are you speaking about? Geneva convention? If so, you are saying Israel is occupying Jordanian territory? If that is the case, the occupation ended in 1994 by peace treaty between Israel and Jordan. Or you do say that after 1967 Israel is occupying its own territory? Or you do say that Israel is occupying Palestinian territory which was occupied by Jordan until 1967. Or Israel is occupying territories of Mandate of Palestine? Occupation is a legal term which you cannot use as you like. Or you can, but it has no legal bases in international law.
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Israel is occupying Palestinian land. Whether that land was/is recognised by the West as being the state of Palestine or not is irrelevant. The Palestinians have lived there for centuries. As the Native Americans lived on their land for centuries. There was no Native American state recognised by the West, before the settlers came and took that land from them. Does that mean the Nativr Americans didn’t exist or don’t matter? Does it mean they have no rights?

Your argument about there being no Palestinian state before 1948 also applies to Israel.

India was in effect British Mandate India before partition. Does that mean India didn’t exist before that?

This is about the rights of Palestinian self determination, human rights and the right o statehood. If the Israelis have that right then of course the Palestinians do too. It’s as simple as that.
 
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