Someone is worried about the atrocities he has endorsed and funded evidently.
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Someone is worried about the atrocities he has endorsed and funded evidently.
The current Israel is by definition an ethno-state meant to be ruled by Jews and Jews only. The few bones thrown to the Arab Israelis like having a certain number of seats at the Knesset should never distract anyone from that.
It is also to be noted that there's a law that prevents extending citizenship or even residency to Palestinians spouses from Gaza or the West Bank, even if one spouse is Israeli.
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Oh please. Why do you think some Palestinians and Hamas don’t accept that status quo?
It’s easy to accept something nothing as Israel did than go from having the whole pie and being offered less than half.
Is it Jordan or Israel building settlements in the West Bank and harrassing/evicting Palestinians?
Israeli ambassador to Norway now calling Norway one of the most hostile countries towards Israel in Europe. Hopefully it is taken as a huge compliment.
Palestinians never had the whole pie. They've never had a state.
Does uti possidetis juris apply also to Israel or to every other country but Israel?
All of Israel's prime ministers have committed awful atrocities toward Palestinians and may be considered war criminals. And yes, even the "moderate" Rabin.
The West Bank was Jordan in the 1960's. No one accused the Jordanians of occupation. In fact, the Palestinians didn't care at all.
The West Bank was occupied after Jordan started a war in 1967 and lost it.
Every argument you present has been completely debunked at length in this thread so many times that it becomes easier to just ignore it. It's a matter of historiography you're arguing (semantic) when the current topic is genocide.
Pissing off Israel is now just a sign that you are on the right side of history. I wish my country would show a bit of the same.
I thought their tears would be delicious. But I was wrong - they're fecking disgusting, just like everything else to do with the terrorist state of israel.
Well done Ireland, Norway and Spain though. I hope that in the coming months and years of this ongoing genocide, there will not only be more recognition of the palestinian state, but also derecognition of the terrorist Israeli state.
You don't exist in this thread prior to November, last year, when every post is as IDF propaganda. So this is very ironic (when talking about selectivity).
The second Spain starts a genocidal campaign in Catalonia you can come back and make that comment. Jesus Christ are you seriously comparing Spain to Israel
Was this posted? The terrorists in the IDF now collaborating with the terrorist Israeli civilians to starve the Palestinians.
And what's the bolded supposed to mean/imply? That the West Bank should be official Israeli territory?
Also, 1967 was a pre-emptive Israeli attack.
Yes yes, non-partisan. And Francesca Albanese is the superstar representative of those non-partisan bodies. I might have also heard about Nawaf Sawan who is not only non-partisan but also completely unbiased. He is a judge or something? Maybe you can educate me since I have interest in this matter only since November (however you came to this conclusion).
Agreed, ignoring the hasbara trolls is always the preferable option.
It is a pretty big slander, in some countries they are a proscribed terrorist organisation so there are legal implications to these accusations.
Why is the Israeli state so often so performatively disgusting? Even the likes of Putin will usually dress up his villainy with some specious narrative.
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1793222045716685053
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1793222045716685053
@Giggsy PO and @gfactor86 what exactly is your vision for a settlement in Israel/Palestine that you’d like to see fulfilled, and how do today’s announcements impact it?
it's been a while since they've posted.It's pretty interesting that there is a grand total of two Israel supporters in this thread. You just know that if some distraction, smear, or gaslighting is being posted it's by one of the two doofuses.
In short, our response will be to drive more people towards extremism.
In the West Bank.
And they're withholding funds from the Palestinian Authority, that's another failed result of negotiations.
Today's announcements change little in grand scheme of things in my opinion.
What I would like, what everybody would like is just a hollow dream. The dream is to live as peaceful neighbors because we want to, not because we are not able to annihilate you, yet. That will never happen (IMO), because the deep roots of the conflict are not about land, country borders but about religion/ethnic aspect.
What might work in the real world is the emirates solution, promoted by Mordechai Kedar for example (or Rudy Rochman). This might work but also will never be agreed on as long as "from the river to the sea" will be seen as the ultimate goal. Maybe from todays perspective it is incomprehensible given the power balace at the moment. But Jews have learnt that can change in the future. And October 7 didnt help either. Now, Israel will never allow any change that might weaken its military defensive capabilities (so no change in Golan Heights, WB). I am not saying that was probable before October 7, but now it is beyond any discussion.
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Today's announcement changes little.
What I would like to see is a Palestinian state that can co-exist peacefully and in prosperity with Israel. Jordan and Egypt are examples of this.
My vision for this would be complete withdrawal of all Jewish settlements in the WB and Gaza rebuilt connect the 2x areas with a tunnel as the basis for the land of a Palestinian state. Some sort of shared access to Jerusalem.
Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, UAE would need to work together to fund the new state and police it for a good few years, hold elections and then finally handover the keys to the new Palestinian government.
Without this handover period you'd risk some Islamic caliphate / Taliban style regime and the new state would simply fail.
I suppose that of them have most likely either reflected on their support, or simply have no leg to stand on and just skip the thread. For any decent human being, there's no moral ground, no justification to what Israel's doing in Gaza and the West Bank.
Still there's at least two Israelis who post here, with whom it really is a pleasure to have a conversation and from whom one can learn a lot.
I wish there were more of them.
Sounds like you agree with Salman Rushdie's take on things.
It is completely plausible. I mean that is exactly what happened in Afghanistan. If there is a power vacuum you can get bad actors taking over. This would make Palestinians even worse off than they are now.
You would have countries no doubt like Iran funding the new Palestinian state and weaponising them.
I think this vision is basically shared by probably most posters in this thread, and certainly the Norwegian and Irish governments based on the statements they’ve issued today. So I find it a bit difficult to understand your reaction against today’s announcements.
This is worrying. Does that mean that politicians are more principled than the German people?
Real brain trust running this administration
To @Mike Smalling I apologize for distraction, smear, or gaslighting.
To the civilized world, this was released today with the consent by families of victims. The most brutal parts were left out.
To the civilized world, this was released today with the consent by families of victims. The most brutal parts were left out.