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Good lord, this is some bleak shit.
Making the case that Palestinian children are evil and deserve to get bombed to death.
I think... After all they've been through.. it's simply a "never again, better them than us" mentality.
Compassion is easy to preach when we're not on the receiving end.
A nation's tragedy often bring resilient and hardheadedness
People are so rich in Gaza that even children have their own living rooms.
As usual, Thomas Friedman making lots of sensible points: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/opinion/israel-hamas-war.html
Worth a read if you have time.
Worth a read if you have time.
Have either of you actually watched the video? He says it was found on a Hamas fighter. Doesn't necessarily make it true, but this looks like yet another tweet that's deliberately misleading.
No he's reverted to his bullshit, pretending the Palestinian issue is adjacent to what's going on in Israel.
Wonder if he spoke to any Palestinians on his tour through the West Bank.
Execellent epizode of Ezra Klein show.
https://the-ezra-klein-show.simplecast.com/episodes/yossi-klein-halevi
https://the-ezra-klein-show.simplecast.com/episodes/yossi-klein-halevi
Works really well as a pair with the previous one, with the Gazan scholar. Both are useful in getting a clear, articulate expression of the mindset each 'side' is approaching this from.
Did you see the notes in the book which apparently were talking about their mothers retirement. It's clearly bullshit.
You mean this?
It's too low res to make out what's written there and I assume It's not exactly written in English anyway.
There are photos of those notes online from the IDF. Apparently translated with quite banal notes.You mean this?
It's too low res to make out what's written there and I assume It's not exactly written in English anyway.
So I'm seeing three tweets. One is sharing the same video, with the same misleading (at best) claim by the caf's favourite informational rapper. One is a high res picture without translation, one is some random dude patting himself on the back for predicting the obvious.
What I'm not seeing is a translation.
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The Israelis are in fake news overdrive currently. They’re probably the worst nation at it (or jointly with Russia).
they also put this out yesterday (2nd tweet):
I'd get that mentality if they were not doing what they are doing in the West Bank. That has nothing to do with reslience or hardheadness, its just cruelty on a people who cannot fight back.
Looks like this didn't go well.
feck me in the ass. That's despicable.
It was doomed from the beginning imo. An attempt by leaders to flog the facade that they care to their domestic publics, all the while working to advance their own respective regional aims. All the summit was lacking was Leslie Nielsen parachuting in.
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Add to this, the four countries cited as rejecting today's prospoal are all either bordered on Israel or in some way partnering with them to normalize relations. They are almost certainly playing the long game as Hamas is not a hill they are prepared to die on in exchange for giving up their own regional interests for their own nations.
A good piece on Sinwar. Particularly this quote...
Obviously no way to verify this, so TWAPOS, but this Gazan claims one of the Israeli soldiers who addressed him was wearing US military attire:
I saw a few tweets on similar lines.
They don't like Israel or their treatment of Arabs/Palestinians, and they need to be publicly supportive (verbally at least) but they aren't going to empower extremist/terrorist Muslim groups either, as they pose a huge problem for them domestically. Partly why they (and others) ae happy for the "Palestinian problem" remaining as Israel's problem.
Israel's reaction is exactly what the Hamas leadership wanted. It isn't like they will be surprised or care about the civilian causalities on their side.
John Oliver did a thing on this tonight. Every informative about the players in charge, some of it I knew, some of it I didnt. The interviews with kids was... rough.
Some of the US representatives' comments are weird as feck.
Israel has done nothing but try not to escalate the northern front,
as it will surely shift the focus of the IDF to Lebanon, with Hezbollah being a much bigger threat to Israel's security.
Hezbollah managed to badly injure civilians and soldiers yesterday, so the response by the IDF should be bigger than we've seen so far.
But a full-scale war is the last thing Israel wants at the moment.
A bigger confrontation will surely come to fold later on, because you have tens of thousands of Israelis who won't return to live near the Lebanese border so long as Hezbollah and other Iran-affiliated soldiers are waiting there unharmed.
Predictable and reflective of the region's arab
There was nothing to expect from them. Or the Arab league for that matter.
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Yeah, Israel is trying not to escalate the tensions on the northern front because the bulk of its forces are engaged in Gaza. They just can't afford a war on two fronts without the US directly stepping in. Hezbollah is doing just enough to keep Israel worried but not openly be part of the war.
I also believe that if the Hezbollah really enters the chat, it will be while Israel is still bogged down in Gaza. There's no point otherwise.
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Incredible stuff.
100%.
Nasrallah has a choice to make,
and whatever he opts for will shed a clearer light on how his mind works-
Does he put Iranian interests ahead of internal Lebanese ones?
Doesn't matter that I, an average Joe, don't seem to have a clue what he wants.
It seems though Israeli higher-ups aren't sure of his intentions.
That being said, I did read an article this morning that seemed to have quoted some general saying that a war with Hezb is imminent and unavoidable ;/
Not sure what a Hezbollah action would seek to achieve other than just f*ck things up some more and help its Iranian overlords with their chaos agenda.
I'd read it was extremely unlikely as it would pull Hezbollah resources away from maintaining power against the army (?) in Lebanon, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
I'd read it was extremely unlikely as it would pull Hezbollah resources away from maintaining power against the army (?) in Lebanon, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
Yeah it's actually quite an image on more than one front-
You will have MPs in the current Israeli government who would want to slit this soldier's throat as much as Hamas would want.
Nah, it's not like the Lebanese Army will come after Hezbollah. Lebanon as a country is in such a shitty state that they can't afford anything to happen, whether it involves Israel or not.
It's an interesting situation because you would think that Iran doesn't want to activate Hezbollah right now;
if the October 7th would have been coordinated with Hezbollah, then it would have made perfect sense, and Israel would have been in very, very deep shit.
It would also make sense to activate Hezbollah into a full-scale war with Israel the moment Iran has an atomic bomb in its arsenal. not before that.
If Hezbollah takes part in a war against Israel, it won't be destroyed, but they will need to build themselves for years to get back to where they are today. and it's not like Israel will cease to exist either.
It'll just be many many injured and killed people on both sides, especially in Lebanon as Beirut and South Lebanon will more than likely get flattened. whatever the IDF restrains itself from doing in Gaza [I know there seems to be no such thing in the eyes of posters here...], it won't in Lebanon.
I don't think the end goal (destroying Hezbollah / destroying Israel) can be really achieved by either side...