Israel - Palestine Discussion

thisisnottaken1 said:
People like him don’t give a feck about antisemitism.
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If the IHRA definition is to be taken at face value, most campus activism is anti-semitic. Most (all?) mainstream Jewish organisations support the IHRA definition and its implementation. People who are pro-Palestine in the following ways:

1. Think the foundation of Israel, or the ideology behind it, is racist
2. Advocate for one secular state
3. Think some of the actions of the state of Israel are comparable to Nazi actions
4. (My speculation of one of the IHRA examples, not within the strict wording) Think Israel has too much influence in other countries and institutions

are likely anti-semitic by that definition. (I am, because of 1 and 3, and maybe 2 and 4).


 
Arab states adopt Egyptian alternative to Trump's 'Gaza Riviera'
Arab leaders adopted an Egyptian reconstruction plan for Gaza on Tuesday that would cost $53 billion and avoid resettling Palestinians, in contrast to U.S. President Donald Trump's "Middle East Riviera" vision, according to a copy of the plan.
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Egyptian president Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said that the proposal had been accepted at the closing of a summit in Cairo.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...s-alternative-trumps-gaza-riviera-2025-03-04/
 
Top replies are Hindus celebrating/mocking this news, and then Jews doing the same

 


@2cents genuinely unimaginable for any client state to thought-police their sponsor's kids, and universities to accomodate them with new secret procedures.
of course this has been going on for decades, but since 2023 it's reached new heights.

once again, how is the chomskyian view of the us-israel relationship tenable at all? and what is your alternative?
 
berbatrick said:
Of the 179 petitions that were processed in January, and that dealt with administrative detentions of Palestinians, 179 petitions were rejected.



This independent judiciary is why international law cannot apply to Israel
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Israel's supreme court is also under huge pressure from the government, which has been basically trying to take control of it.
 
The first direct talks between a US administration and Hamas since 1997.
 
That idiot met hostages, heard their stories, and rather than realising "right, I've got to force Israel to make the ceasefire permanent and get the hostages released", he acts like a bull in a china shop and tries to force Hamas to let them go.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
People like him don’t give a feck about antisemitism.
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Absolutely. And they don’t talk about the freedom of speech or expression of Palestinian supporters. It’s like freedom of speech only matters when it is speech in favour of Israel.
 
Despite the slavishly Zionist media:



But then this is where AIPAC comes in. Buffering political decisions from public opinion, so that Zionism is hegemonic among institutional decision-makers even as it is sinking within the base.
 
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damn i didnt realise two of the former posters here now did standup

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Columbia University just had $400m worth of federal grants and contracts terminated, the Departments of Justice, Health and Human Services, Education, and the US General Services Administration announced.

A press release from the Department of Education said the contracts were cancelled “due to the school’s continued inaction in the face of persistent harassment of Jewish students”.
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“We take Columbia’s legal obligations seriously and understand how serious this announcement is and are committed to combatting antisemitism and ensuring the safety and wellbeing of our students, faculty, and staff,” the spokesperson wrote.
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Whatever I want to say about this will get me banned so ,
 
An entire week without aid for one of the most persecuted people of our time.
 
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2cents said:
“I spoke with Ron, and I’m sympathetic. He has someone that he doesn’t know well, making direct contact with Hamas. Maybe I would see them and say, ‘Look, they don’t have horns growing out of their head. They’re actually guys like us. They’re pretty nice guys’,” Boehler says, apparently referring to Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-possible-within-weeks-us-envoy-boehler-says/
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Quite a funny linked article when reading this one:

Jerusalem surprised by White House hostage envoy saying US not acting on Israel’s behalf in talks​

 
africanspur said:
Quite a funny linked article when reading this one:

Jerusalem surprised by White House hostage envoy saying US not acting on Israel’s behalf in talks​

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Netanyahu could be pining for Biden soon enough if Trump pushes through a separate agreement.
 
2cents said:
“I spoke with Ron, and I’m sympathetic. He has someone that he doesn’t know well, making direct contact with Hamas. Maybe I would see them and say, ‘Look, they don’t have horns growing out of their head. They’re actually guys like us. They’re pretty nice guys’,” Boehler says, apparently referring to Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-possible-within-weeks-us-envoy-boehler-says/
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africanspur said:
Quite a funny linked article when reading this one:

Jerusalem surprised by White House hostage envoy saying US not acting on Israel’s behalf in talks​

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A few weeks ago, when people doubted whether the first stage of the ceasefire and release of hostages/prisoners will be complete, I mentioned that I'm quite sure that it will. The reason was that it appeared as though no matter what Netanyahu was doing or saying - the White House wanted it done. And it was.

The US attitude towards the situation and Hamas is rather interesting. I'm not sure if it's a planned good cop (Trump and his threats about gates of hell), bad cop (his representatives pushing towards deals and talking to Hamas), or just Trump blowing some meaningless steam, like the imbecile child that he is, while his representatives do their thing regardless of what he says,
 
2cents said:
Netanyahu could be pining for Biden soon enough if Trump pushes through a separate agreement.
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It's worse than that for Netanyahu. Trump has said several times that he doesn't have a problem with Israel restarting the war and hitting Hamas hard. That should mean that Netanyahu has a green light to do what his supporters want more than anything - yet he's not doing that.

And you're rightly mentioning Biden - who previously was Netanyahu's excuse: Biden's holding back on ammunition, Biden's not allowing me to do this and that, just wait until Trump is president, etc.
 
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Actually, Israel stopped supplying Gaza electricity on October 7, 2023. Apparently it's only supplying power to one desalination centre. So the difference won't be as big.

Ultimately, it's a case of a minister trying to create headlines for himself and remind people that he exists and serves his base.
 
Still going this guy:

US hostage envoy Adam Boehler says he doesn’t “really care” about Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer’s criticism of his direct talks with Hamas, while referring to Palestinian prisoners as “hostages.”

“I don’t really care about that that much — no offense to Dermer,” Boehler says during an interview with Israel’s Channel 13, appearing to escalate a scuffle that was first held privately between the two on Tuesday hours after Israel learned of the US hostage envoy’s direct talks with Hamas.

“If it was a big deal every time Dermer got a little bit upset… Ron might have a lot of big deals every day, Boehler says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-about-israeli-criticism-of-talks-with-hamas/

No idea what’s actually going to happen here, but I’ve never heard an appointed, acting American official speak like this. May amount to nothing but perhaps a taboo is being slowly degraded.
 
Amir said:
Actually, Israel stopped supplying Gaza electricity on October 7, 2023. Apparently it's only supplying power to one desalination centre. So the difference won't be as big.

Ultimately, it's a case of a minister trying to create headlines for himself and remind people that he exists and serves his base.
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Which minister?
 
Anyone following the Mahmoud Khalil story? It is an awful situation which really started last year when no one did anything to stop the Zionist organizations running amok terrorizing students.
 
Child deaths surge amid ‘Gazafication’ of West Bank, report says
Israel has brought the military tactics of its war in Gaza to the occupied West Bank, where Palestinians face mass forced displacements, a surge in airstrikes and a sharp rise in attacks on children and other civilians, a Palestinian-Israeli rights group has said.
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“Israel’s complete disregard for international law in the war in Gaza is now being replicated to the West Bank,” said B’Tselem’s executive director, Yuli Novak. “Its activity there, as yet on a smaller scale than in Gaza, is already causing indiscriminate and disproportionate killing and destruction.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ge-amid-gazafication-of-west-bank-report-says
 
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