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I stand corrected then. Thank you.
Is the rest of my post off the mark as well? Genuine question.
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Ahh another warcrime by the state of war crimes -how long till the genocide apologists come out to disprove this one?
The fanatics are not the ones making decisions regarding the war in Gaza.
Would you not define Netanyahu and Likud as fanatics? Granted they might not be as insane as some of the basket cases quoted in this thread, but I was under the impression they are very much unhinged, or at least their supporters are.
The Likud has some truly bad and idiotic MPs and ministers, but when it comes down to it, they are not calling the shots, especially when it comes to security.
Netanyahu? He has his own issues. I think he's completely lost between the web of different interests - his family, his trial, his coalition, his future - and that's what makes him a huge problem for Israel. But being fanatic is not the problem.
The war is being led by levelheaded people.
In US. like in europe black face was not derrogatory till US decided that it should be also in europe. Not everything is offensive for everyone
Yes, that's it.
I know it makes a few people on here uncomfortable but the plan seems to be ethnic cleansing
Its pretty clear that that is what is happening. If they truly cared for the civilians of Gaza they wouldn't have already killed them by the thousands. The fact that so many in their country support them doing war crimes, especially based on their histroy in relation to ethnic cleansing, makes this even more sick. There is no self defence in what they are doing. The funny thing is, as inhumane as Hamas's attack was, Israel has managed to somehow surpass them in barbarity by the sheer numbers that they have killed. Despite knowing that majority of people that they are killing are women and children.
But this is not a surprise as their support and encouragement of terrorists aka settlers has already shown their true colours.
Not been confirmed by me but there is a tweet said to be from the IDF Arabic page which basically says due to lack of medical equipment etc it was decided to bomb the Baptist hospital and give them euthanasia death
A comment like that is likely to summon the thread police. You will be accused of using rhetoric that is leading to antisemitic violence in just a minute.
You mean how Palestinians have to live under Israeli occupation?
You must be appalled
I'm not sure it is as clear cut as that. Genocide was a term created to define a (kind of) WW2 attack and the bombing of Dresden was called mass murder by the Nazis at the time, was certainly a terrorising tactic by the British and has been controversial in the West since the 50s. But not as genocide. And yes, precision weapons can be used to reduce civilian casualties... But when your enemy is closely intertwined with the civilian population there are no such things as precision weapons, sadly. (Even hospitals can become legitimate targets under international law, under some circumstances - although I don't know if those apply here). These distinctions make no difference to the dead of course.
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It's proper surreal looking at that image. Looks a apocalyptic scene in a Hollywood film. It's scary to think Israel can just keep inflicting this kind of staggering destruction with impunity and then still claim they're just getting started. Do we have any idea of the casualties from this latest war crime?
Its basically a land clearing exercise at this point
I think the French Press Agency (AFP) counted "at least" 47 dead bodies being pulled from the rubble just by looking at footage. So...probably a lot more than that. Like, there's videos doing the round of a desperate dad that can't find his 3 kids. Others running around desperately calling out names of loved ones. There must be so many more missing.
We can just replace it with US then given they are the only one whose word matters especially in military conflicts.
While I understand you, I think you should look at it from the Israelis point of view.
1,400 people are dead. Others are abducted, missing or injured. A large number of people have been evacuated from the south or north and are living elsewhere, without anyone knowing how long it would take. Communities have been destroyed. People have lost their homes and everything in it, and are left with nothing. Survivors, including children, saw their loved one being executed. Rockets are fired daily. People are scared to leave their homes. Lives have been massively interrupted, with different ramifications on people's abilities to earn a living.
The country, as a whole, is still in shock and mourning. And the idea we'll ever be able to just go on knowing Hamas is on the other side of the border, after what we've seen its capable of, is unthinkable. It's too scary.
So yeah, under those circumstances, people don't particularly care about the civilians of Gaza and especially aren't going to scold the IDF for its methods. It's unfortunate, but I think it's also understandable. We're only human.
Did Israeli society care about the occupation and the suffering of Gazans prior to Oct 7?
May Palestine be free
Not to be insensitive, but what you've described is also uncannily the perpetual reality of the Palestinians. Do you not think that status quo is what's led to this ticking time bomb finally exploding?
Most people did not.
Some truly did.
In which proportion I couldn't tell you, but the poster you replied to is one of them.
Appreciate the response.
However, that script can easily be flipped.
The Palestinian people have seen their land taken from them, innocent civilians killed, embaressed, stripped of homes and lands. Denied their humanity, stripped of their dignity and treated like they are sub-human, and this in just reference to before October 7th. They have seen loved ones killed mercilessly, women and children alike with their land shrinking and no country offering to help them or provide them a path to regain their dignity. In the past month they have seen thousands of women and children killed. So if the Israeli people dont care about the civilians of gaza based on your point, why should the Palestinians and the wider world care about what happens/happened to the Israeli civilians?
If I was to describe the
Not really. Hamas is a terrorist group intent on killing Israelis. That wasn't and isn't going to change. As long as Hamas ruled Gaza, attacks on Israel were always going to happen. And Hamas wasn't going to lose control of Gaza without force.
Israel have made some allowances towards Gaza in the last couple of years, like letting an increasing number of people to cross the border to Israel so they could work and earn a decent living. It appears some have used that in order to learn the area and feed Hamas information.
Should Israel have made moves with the Palestenian authority? Yes, I believe so. But that would not have changed the reality with Hamas.
IDF spokesperson confirms Israel carried out strike on Jabalia refugee camp
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari is giving a televised news conference, where he said the Israeli military “managed to eliminate the terrorist murderer Ibrahim Biari” on Tuesday.
Biari was “the main leader of combat” since Israel forces entered northern Gaza, Hagari said. During his “elimination, many terrorists were killed,” he said.
He said the targeting of the building where Biari was in also “led to the collapse of other things because there was a very extensive infrastructure there”.
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari is giving a televised news conference, where he said the Israeli military “managed to eliminate the terrorist murderer Ibrahim Biari” on Tuesday.
Biari was “the main leader of combat” since Israel forces entered northern Gaza, Hagari said. During his “elimination, many terrorists were killed,” he said.
He said the targeting of the building where Biari was in also “led to the collapse of other things because there was a very extensive infrastructure there”.
Wouldn't that render the rest of your post a bit pointless then? Forgive me for coming across as rude but you framed your point to make it seem like Israelis do not have the bandwidth to care about the Gaza suffering because of the brutality of Hamas on Oct 7. But you're also saying most people did not care before Oct 7 anyway.
It wouldn't make me feel anything. As for what it would make me think if you, well, I guess you know that already.
This is not the first time Israel has bombed Gaza and killed innocent people. In previous occasions, there was always a large number of Israelis who were vocally against it - even though they did not have the power to stop it by themselves.
Now, very few people in Israel care. The attack from Hamas broke people, broke lefties, like myself.
As for people caring about the daily lives in Gaza before all this started, I'd say most people lived in ignorance more than anything.
Once Hamas is gone I hope you and your fellow citizens can put some pressure on your government to make a genuine attempt to establish a Palestinian state or integrate them into Israel, especially now having first hand experience on how they have been living over these decades.
Then you get my point. It's not "unfortunate" that many Israelis don't particlularly care about the tens of thousands of Palestinian lives currently being ended and destroyed, it's murderous.
So what is going on in the West Bank where Hamas is not there? more than 100 people among them 38 children killed? hundreds had their house stolen. What is the excuse?
I understand what you are saying and while things were hardly optimal before October 7, it was Hamas's actions that caused the Israeli retaliation. Realistically, do you think other countries would have responded differently?