Ah Alas, the thousands of dead kids. They're just a sacrifice you're willing to make.
You're right, you are broken.
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Ah Alas, the thousands of dead kids. They're just a sacrifice you're willing to make.
You're right, you are broken.
It absolutely was, at least when it comes to to their short term view about Hamas, Gaza and the need focus on Israel's security before anything else.
Longer term, I don't think the liberal's views would be altered. Unfortunately, they are in the minority so I don't forsee major positive changes.
The current govenment has been very much pro-setllers so if it falls those settlers might lose some of their power, but again, it won't be a complete turnaround.
The major hope is pressure comes from the United States.
Yes, I am. What I saw three weeks ago absolutely broke me. I want Hamas gone and I want to feel secure, whatever the cost.
I was being sarcastic, No way is Anti-Zionism or criticism of Israel anti-Semitic.
Err what?? Religious beliefs have been one of the biggest perpetrators of war throughout history. Religion actively propagates the idea of "Us" vs "Them".
It's just the sad reality of a very sad area in the world in which people try to have a life.
“eye.on.palestine” on instagram. The images/videos are painful…
Sometimes - sometimes, not all the time - it's just the reality. I'm not going to hide from it.
That's not me condoning all deaths, and certainly not the deaths of children. I have a terrible opinion of the settlers or of the IDFs actions in the West Bank.
I'm well aware... And as I say, I can't comprehend it.
I know. I've been there (though not in an combative form).
You just said whatever the cost, so at the very least you think those dead children are an acceptable price.
I can absolutely see that and it was heartbreaking for me in the past.
But not this time. I want security and I don't care what it takes.
You just have this attitude
Don't kid yourself. We all have this attitude, as we're just writing in a forum and then go and do something else.
Fair enough, but don't go around saying you feel oh so sorry for palestinians and you don't condone what's being done. You are ok with it, so just own it.
From what I've read, the neighbouring countries view Palestinians with caution because of past incidents such as Black September - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September
By supporting Palestine they risk peace with Israel, and by taking refugees they risk internal stability.
Congratulations!!!
In all honesty? I prefer that to dead Israeli soldiers. And I'm afraid that would be the price that we'll pay without those aerial strikes.
Could you honestly tell me you'd feel differently had you been in my - or our - shoes?
feckin hell, mate, you should really take a break from this thread.
I think you've made your point. Time to move on.
Dude, you sound utterly broken. I find everything you're saying pretty abhorrent, but I suppose I have to give credit for being honest about your sentiments, which is a lot more than I can say for others.
The difference is that your state is perpetrating this with your votes and tax payers and you justify it and even see it as the right solution with...Some colateral damage necessary to achieve the goals. Others condemn it, pressure institutions and at least donate.
You are as participant as german citizens in the raise of nazism.
Up to and including genocide, yes?
You're Sir Keir Starmer and I claim my £5.
Yes. I would never wish my country's army to be a bunch of war criminals, bombing civilians to death, because that is convenient.
I would dearly love to hear of another solution.
Once again as with your previous reply (and I do appreciate your honesty), this very same arguement could be reversed. You've effectively justified the murder of thousands of Palestinians based on Oct 7th and the sentiment around it. But what you also do when making that argument is justify Oct 7th because the very same argument you made, if you replace Israel with Palestine, the Israeli Government with Hamas and Oct 7th with the years of Israeli subjugation, then all the deaths can be justified. At the end of the day either you are against the unjust killing of innocents and don't support it and therefore are against the what the Israeli government are doing as well as Hamas, or you are for the unjust killing of civilians. It can't be one rule for Hamas and another rule for the Israeli government.
'Settlers'
‘A new Nakba’: settler violence forces Palestinians out of West Bank villages
Communities who have clung on for decades are leaving their homes in the face of rising attrition by Israelis
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/west-bank-palestinian-villages-israeli-army-settlers
‘A new Nakba’: settler violence forces Palestinians out of West Bank villages
Communities who have clung on for decades are leaving their homes in the face of rising attrition by Israelis
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/west-bank-palestinian-villages-israeli-army-settlers
Even if you had rockets flying around and falling around you?
Mate, you're a better person than me.
Terrorists. Pure and simple.
Two state solution. UN blue helmets, etc... And certainly not bombarding civilian population for little return.
I mean, there is pretty good solutions before reaching ethnic cleansing and possible genocide
Israel’s decades long occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people is what created Hamas. Israel can try to eradicate Hamas but they won’t succeed without a total genocide of the Palestinian people. As long as a people are continually oppressed through military force, there will be groups amongst them who will fight back with their own violence and militancy. It’s inevitable as we’ve seen throughout history.
The whole world has been watching for decades how Israel has created this ticking time bomb. October 7th didn't exactly come out of nowhere, the conflict has lasted for decades with varying degrees of escalation. Hence why Israel probably feel that the world community hasn't been enough supportive of their feelings. And for something to radically change that, someone got to break out of the seemingly neverending vicious cycle, which has now escalated to new heights, and it's not unfair to expect the creator of the current situation and the one who by far has the biggest power to do so, should be the one who initiates an exit from said cycle. Understandable that emotions are running high after Hamas' attack, but then again Israel have had about a million chances to make a change during times where the situation has been calmer.
Saying that, really appreciate your posts which most likely reflects how civilised people in Israel thinks.
I'm all for the two-state solution. I think it's the only real solution and I'm sorrowful for the time and life wasted over the last few decades.
But it's not relevant with Hamas on the other side of our border. That has to be taken care of before anything else.
I don't know about that, but it does seem like the Hamas attack have turned the entire state of Israel into an "Its either us or Hamas" mindset, which was entirely predictable after the severity of the initial attacks on 10.7 . There was no way Israel wouldn't have responded like this given the power differential in the relationship.
This is what you don’t understand though.
Your government is breeding new terrorists with every innocent Palestinian killed.
You will never feel secure.
You created hamas. Your state is interested in hamas to exist to justify what ia happening and israel could as for UN intervention and never did.
They have no interest because their goal is just israel in the territory and will happen no matter what and who they have to kill
These scumbags just think the same as you though, they've convinced themselves that these people need to be removed so that they aren't.
The only difference here is that you're just fine with the IDF doing it, they want to do it themselves.
What was this? It's not showing any more.
And ill add @Amir if israel wood be interested in the 2 state solution, they would not promote the settling in the west bank. There is no excuse
The goal is clear. But again, as it works for you .."very sad, anyway"
The goal is clear. But again, as it works for you .."very sad, anyway"