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Unfortunately there won’t be anyone on the ground anytime soon with access to the crater site to do what he’s suggesting, especially with the Israelis about to invade.
Maybe. I'm certain it was a fake anyway.
That is unless that team of experts is 1) given a mandate by the UN and is deployed through the Rafah border crossing en toute to Gaza. Instead of being the usual wimps, the UN needs to find their balls and get people to do that crucial job.
Yes it was excellent.
Brilliant satire. Guy was introduced as a satirist, but just read about him and he's a heart surgeon as well.
Out of interest for the more anti-Israel posters, if an independent forensic analysis showed it was in fact a Hamas rocket, would that change anything?
For me knowing it was an Israeli bomb would push me over the edge, personally. If that's the case there have to be court martials public trials and very real consequences.
For me knowing it was an Israeli bomb would push me over the edge, personally. If that's the case there have to be court martials public trials and very real consequences.
Change what? You believe we are supporters of Hamas? I'd be happy if there wasn't any Hamas, but not at the cost of thousands of civilian life.
It won't change anything in the West Bank, where Palestinians are still brutally occupied, it won't change Israel's blockade of Gaza. So no, it won't change anything until Israel stops occupying Palestinians and seriously tries to consider peace.
Whatever happened must be independently investigated and those responsible must be brought to justice. No matter who it was.
But to me it’s astounding to see so many people being sure about who the culprits are, despite a lack of compelling evidence.
But to me it’s astounding to see so many people being sure about who the culprits are, despite a lack of compelling evidence.
Well given it seems like the best hope at a cease fire we had (the Jordan summit) has been cancelled explicitly on the belief that it was an Israeli strike (as cancelling if it was Hamas wouldn't make any sense), that's something that would obviously change.
I think all anyone other than the 33% or so that support Netanyahu want is this to end as soon as possible. It's worth highlighting these actions do not even have support among the majority of Israeli's. Now, how can they stop this rogue regime - I'm not sure, but obviously we should hope for some pressure there too.
I mean, if it was Hamas in reality what justice is there to bring? Hell, I'd wager the fact the peace summit was cancelled off the back of it is a win to those psychopaths.
Totally agree if it was the IDF. That's ICC stuff.
There is plenty of evidence that suggests Israel did it (past history, scale of destruction, warning the hospital before, actually hitting the same hospital a week ago). But yea, Israel said Hamas did it, after changing their explanation a dozen times and having someone in their office delete a tweet saying Israel did it, so we have to take their word on it as well, not as if they've never lied about blaming deaths on Palestinians before (last year with the journalist being shot).
This current war clearly has more than 33% of Israeli support and doesn't sit along party lines.
Why are you astounded by that?
What evidence?
So far all there is in this thread is mountains of hypocrisy. Fortunately that hypocrisy is unlikely to have any real world effects but the same cannot be said on the likes of twitter and via major press organisations, let alone high profile politicians who, without any evidence at all are making claims that are already causing reactions in the ME.
I have no idea who the poster is. I just listened to the sound of two missiles that sounded very similar, one which hit a hospital.
People need to be careful at this time as much of it is now a propaganda war.
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This poster you quoted doesn't take the IDF's word for it, he just seems to be wondering.
And while all you wrote is quite probable, it's not COMPELLING evidence. IDF doesn't seem to have compelling evidence either.
You seem to be almost deliberately missing his point.
I feel like I've been seeing the same version of this debate about whether the IDF bombed the hospital or not for decades
terrifying to think what war will look like when AI/deep-fakes can make video evidence indistinguishable from reality
RIP to the victims, absolutely heart-breaking
terrifying to think what war will look like when AI/deep-fakes can make video evidence indistinguishable from reality
RIP to the victims, absolutely heart-breaking
Yes. Completely agree.
It is not only astonishing, but symptomatic of the preconceptions so many people have on this forum.
So eager to blame the side, primarily Israel, that they have built up so much hate, yes hate for.
They can not wait until the actual cause of the disasterous explosion at that hospital is identified.
And even if it is proven not to be Israel, they will just ignore that.
Why? Both sides have already made their minds up. Both sides will likely not change their mind, regardless of what evidence comes out. Nobody will be brought to justice. Hamas is a rogue organisation and Israel essentially a rogue country with western cover.
Still, regardless, this goes back to what I was saying about the visceral reaction humans have to in your face violence. Raoul already said (and I finally managed to get through to my doctor friend in Gaza, who has said the same), that water is running out, people are having to try to boil water from weird sources to survive and patient are dying in hospital because they don't have enough water and saline etc and they don't have enough medications and other medical supplies.
Many of those patients will die, many of them children. They will die a slower and more brutal death than from a strike on the hospital. And yet people are shocked and appalled by the latter while Israel has already been given diplomatic cover for the former.
What's the difference? Frankly I don't personally even care if Israel did this because to me, an equally heinous crime is already being committed and being admitted to (and likely to lead to more actual deaths), without much real blowback. Same as I didn't really care whether Hamas beheaded those babies or just killed them. Fundamentally, they're still an awful organisation who committed a heinous act.
5000 actually, as someone said last night.
Aren't these sworn enemies regardless though Buster?
So now the conflict is reduced to who was responsible for the hospital bombing? It is odd the way the news agenda / politics works...
Hundred of Palestinians have died in attacks on other hospitals and UN shelters in the last couple of days. Western leaders have not been moved enough then to condemn or call for a ceasefire.
The fact that thousands were crammed into this hospital, which itself was running empty of power and critical medical supplies was harrowing enough.
Hundred of Palestinians have died in attacks on other hospitals and UN shelters in the last couple of days. Western leaders have not been moved enough then to condemn or call for a ceasefire.
The fact that thousands were crammed into this hospital, which itself was running empty of power and critical medical supplies was harrowing enough.
I was referring to many of the people who post on this forum. Thought I had made that clear....
Classic propaganda. Israel are cnuts.
Even if it turns out that the Islamists killed their own people, the pressure to deescalate is still out there. At least for the moment. Hopefully this will at a minimum result in water being turned on.
In that carpark? Jeez.
Because a lot of the people doing it are usually among the more careful and reasonable ones. It’s just a little shocking to see otherwise careful posters jumping to conclusions so quickly, especially since the topic is this sensible.
It was the same when the story with the dead babies came out.
Its always the same though isn’t it?
In the grand scheme of things over many decades and tens of thousands of lives lost this is not any determining factor one way or another.
What's not the same is people wanting proof that a country raining down bombs on civilians all week might not have dropped this particular bomb. If they did or didn't do this they have been bombing and killing innocent civilians all week.
Does it make any difference apart from optics what building women and children are killed in?
Well I hope it will result in much more, important as the water being restored is.
I hope that it acts as a significant turning point in this awful conflict.
There is a real likelihood of escalation and it running out of control.
And that would result in even more civilians being killed.
That must not happen. Things are bad enough already, aren't they...
So guys. Let's stop and take a breath, please.
And let's stop blaming Hamas, or Israel or the IDF for just one second.
This has gone past blame.
It is time for cool heads and clear thinking.
And out of that, common sense must prevail.
And most importantly, this senseless loss of life must end.
Please. An end.
Hamas really did a number on Israel when it comes to quickly shifting a narrative in the public space from the most barbaric events committed to bombing their own hospital and claiming it was Israel.
It’s not reduced to anything. But it is an incredibly heinous and cruel crime. Therefore it is important to get a clear picture of what happened. These things matter. If not in the greater picture of the war, then at least for the victims sake. They deserve justice.
I don't know if it's true that Israel bombed that hospital.
What is true is that after the bombing there were a number of incredibly suspicious acts done by people associated with the Israeli govt., which should tank their credibility.
What is true is that after the bombing there were a number of incredibly suspicious acts done by people associated with the Israeli govt., which should tank their credibility.
Yes it is.
Because if the level of hate that is being spouted on here is anything to go by, it is a sad reflection of the true level of hate being acted upon by both sides in this ongoing conflict.
And caught in the middle are ordinary people just like you and me who are just trying to live our lives as peacefully as possible.
How unlucky must this enemy be who I have no sympathy for btw to fire a rocket and it conveniently malfunctions and lands on a hospital and not some random tower block a road or elsewhere.