No. The post I replied to asked why more of the outrage isn't directed at Hamas for telling civilians not to run for Israeli war crimes, rather than Israel for commiting war crimes.
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No. The post I replied to asked why more of the outrage isn't directed at Hamas for telling civilians not to run for Israeli war crimes, rather than Israel for commiting war crimes.
As some here would say you should praise them for atleast giving 2 hours of warning to take everyone out before bombing them to smetherins. Such kind hearted people they are.
Yeah, I’m not Muslim and am absolutely disgusted by what Israel are doing - and also by the Western media’s leaning toward Israel.
Might be a dumb thing but after watching a few videos and reading a couple of articles why is everyone rushing to come out in support of Israel? They are the oppressors no?
Wouldn’t it be like people coming out and supporting the Nazis after their crimes against the Jews? Or have I totally missed something?
Wouldn’t it be like people coming out and supporting the Nazis after their crimes against the Jews? Or have I totally missed something?
I don't think any of that makes any difference. This has been a one sided strangling at various paces over decades. A day of atrocities against Israel by Hamas followed by the same but more forcefully in return by Israel for a spell.
I don't see it as a war between Nation States in any real sense, but it's OK to see things differently.
One update from September 28 warned, based on multiple streams of intelligence, that the terror group Hamas was poised to escalate rocket-attacks across the border. An October 5 wire from the CIA warned generally of the increasing possibility of violence by Hamas. Then, on October 6, the day before the attack, US officials circulated reporting from Israel indicating unusual activity by Hamas — indications that are now clear: an attack was imminent.
If the US knew, Mossad knew too. Even if they had not known the exact threat, they should have stepped up defenses.
I don't have the link, but im sure i read that Israel had sent a significant number of Gaza border troops to the West Bank in prior weeks.
Yeah, no doubt - I just found the "only one side plans to displace loads of people" argument more than a bit bizarre, considering Hamas' actions and their stated goals.
Funny I'm having the opposite experience. Although most people are just appalled at the whole thing.
Oh, and what is a zionist?
I think you should avoid Nazi comparisons as much as possible but especially in this context. I didn't quote bit that so maybe you can rephrase?
But yes, personally, I see Israel as the oppressor
Fair enough, it was just the first thing that came to mind in terms of my understanding of the situation.
I also just saw Guardiola’s wife’s instagram post which mentioned Nazis so it was pretty fresh in my mind.
Also no surprise to see us British heavily involved in the past
Some catching-up. I'm not getting into silly debates here.
Dumb stuff. And I will remind everyone time and time again that their chairman is enjoying a rich man's life in the comfort of Doha right now. A real fecking hero... pathetic.
Truth be told: we needed troops, friendly militias and the full collaboration from major social media platforms in order to crush ISIS. Unless we resurrect the old concept of international UN-sanctioned peacekeeping missions, the only combat force capable of destroying Hamas is the IDF unfortunately. And did I say anything about mobilizing major social media platforms in order to crush pro-Hamas accounts in the same way that anything pro-ISIS was crushed? Not happening soon with that dumb South African-born dickhead at the helm of Twitter. To put it short: the whole thing looks bleak as feck.
Meanwhile in related news, this was in Beijing. Madness is spilling over everywhere.
Dumb stuff. And I will remind everyone time and time again that their chairman is enjoying a rich man's life in the comfort of Doha right now. A real fecking hero... pathetic.
Truth be told: we needed troops, friendly militias and the full collaboration from major social media platforms in order to crush ISIS. Unless we resurrect the old concept of international UN-sanctioned peacekeeping missions, the only combat force capable of destroying Hamas is the IDF unfortunately. And did I say anything about mobilizing major social media platforms in order to crush pro-Hamas accounts in the same way that anything pro-ISIS was crushed? Not happening soon with that dumb South African-born dickhead at the helm of Twitter. To put it short: the whole thing looks bleak as feck.
Meanwhile in related news, this was in Beijing. Madness is spilling over everywhere.
You're right. It's just a label. I think people misunderstand Israel though, and misunderstand how different the scale of this is to anything in the past. It's why I've been saying I dread it for days; nobody knows how long it will last, but they haven't even started the ground operation yet. It's completely unprecedented.
People expect to hit Israel and negotiate. That's just not how Israel works. I feel Hamas have either been a victim of their own success. They never expected it to work this well. So the euphoria has turned to horror. Especially as they've failed to ignite extra terror from other groups. Nothing from after the Mosques closed today, the PLO have kept control quite well. They might try some terror in the West Bank next, but it's not working just turning into a horror show. They had many rational reasons to make the attack, but seeing the response it's turned to disaster.
Because the Israelis are different. That's all you need to know.
Because tags like "oppressors" are controlled by the world powers and the media they control.
Bombing a hospital empty or not is just fecked up, can't get over the fact either that they have got a load National leaders condoning this as well.
Israel has experienced many civilian deaths in one day, just not their own. What Israel feels after these murderous attacks might be new to them, but not new to their enemies. So it's hard for me to view their retaliation through the lens you see it.
On Hamas. Occupied and oppressed people don't attack like professional armies. It is often more emotional and psychological than tactical.
The violence is often not the end but the only catalyst they feel they have.
Franz Fanon wrote about it at length. He's an amazing read on the subject.
I don't think they want to bomb a hospital, not that evacuating it is a good thing mind.
I think the common person in the west is more and more sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians. Israel may be digging a hole for itself bombing an open air prison and people realize the grip they have on the areas without improving the situation. As more light shines of what they're doing a two state solution could come back.
You’ve reminded me of this from Edward Said:
“[The Palestinians] have had the extraordinarily bad luck to have a good case in resisting colonial invasion of their homeland combined with, in terms of the international and moral scene , the most morally complex of all opponents, Jews, with a long history of victimization and terror behind them. The absolute wrong of settler-colonialism is very much diluted and perhaps even dissipated when it is a fervently believed-in Jewish survival that uses settler-colonialism to straighten out its own destiny.”
Yea true they've never bombed a hospital before.
"Now's not the time"
A special from the Jim Crow days. "MLK, we hear you. But just be patient. Wait for the appropriate time"
Absolute propaganda, this shit is horrendous.
I absolutely agree with this.
You would think this is going to be precision attack on a planned targets which have verified but I reckon they're going to flatten a load of land once they get started.
Honestly some of these papers should just say nothing. This one amounts to "They are wrong to kill innocents by thousands but let them do it and then, maybe, we should talk about how wrong it is."
You want to direct your ire at Hamas. They've created this situation. They knew exactly what they were doing and they don't give a flying feck for the Palestinians.
They knew that Israel would respond like this and there hope is that the international community will turn against them.
They're committed to the demise of Israel and if a few thousand Palestinians and Israelis have to die, well that's just collateral damage to them.
They knew that Israel would respond like this and there hope is that the international community will turn against them.
They're committed to the demise of Israel and if a few thousand Palestinians and Israelis have to die, well that's just collateral damage to them.
Discussed, but seeing a tweet about it drives it home.
Ah Hasan, the man in Germany who didn't know Germany had been split up by the allies and then never replied when I pointed out Palestinian's have it much worse than East German's did. How can I help you?
Only if you ignore most of the issue including the West Bank which has nothing to do with Hamas.
Very succinct.
This is 9/11 for Israel.
And the sad thing is that most of the young people at the music festival actually supported peace with Palestinians. From now on, who in Israel will support peace with Palestinians?
And the sad thing is that most of the young people at the music festival actually supported peace with Palestinians. From now on, who in Israel will support peace with Palestinians?
I disdain Hamas' latest attack on civilians and their genocidal charter.
But they didn't create this situation. This situation has been play before they came into existence and became a dominant player (thanks to Bibi)
That's an author I'd never thought I see mentioned here. "The Wretched of the Earth" is a fantastic book.
He was a hero of mine when I grew up. Still is, mind.
Great post.
So, the bombing is presumably to destroy infrastructure. Which is by its nature, indiscriminate. The ground invasion is to remove Hamas. More chance that can be done sparing the civilian population?
Oh please, I am talking about the current situation, obviously. You think the Israelis would have been bombing the shit out of Gaza all week if Hamas hadn't murdered over a thousand Israelis last weekend?