I find even this argument a bit problematic. Civilizations who played the game of thrones and lost and moved away from where they originated from have no moral right to their home land. Else we will be having problems all around the world.
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You mean the 6 day war when Israel invaded Egypt and took the entire Sinai peninsula and the Gaza strip because Nassr threatened to cut off Israeli shipping just like they did in 1956 as well?
I agree that the Arab world was far more united against Israel then than it is now, but a bit shelling from Syria, a half hearted push into the West Bank that killed less than 20 people by Jordan, while Israel stormed Egypt is hardly a major attack from 3 points.
The outrage is with Israel's attack.
The Hamas attack was outrageous. Israel have sunk even lower and are about to create one of the biggest humanitarian crisis's of all time.
They have no regard for the hostages that Hamas have taken. They will be seen as collateral damage in Israels quest to destroy the Palestinian people.
Quite honestly, it is so unbelievable that Hamas planned and carried out this attached without Mossad knowing about it. The Biden administration just came out and said they received credible intel that there was an increased risk of attack.
My theory - Israel allowed the attack on their own people, just so they had the cover to wipe out Gaza and it's people.
Id say that’s about right for now, especially Jerusalem, but I do wonder how things might have changed by the time Israel are ready to return to the table. They’ll only get more dominant, and more oppressive in response to violence.
This speaks to my above point; the more dominant Israel are, the more powerful they are in negotiations. But from a Palestinian point of view, this reality doesn’t exist.How can you square both trust and enthusiasm for a plan on both sides with reality? just doesn’t work. Assuming we get through the next 6 months with any trust left, how do you convince the Palestinians to realise how weak they are at the negotiating table and accept that, and how do you get the Israelis to accept that a state for the Palestinians is a safe security option? Even the rhetoric here revolves around how “unfair“ it is, which isnt the basis for honest negotiating
feeling is this is too far gone for several decades at least. By which time the Palestinians will be so marginalised, there may not be enough left.
Sorry I see you asked for a link - this is a recent quote from an article by a former Israeli diplomat and advisor to Shimon Peres:
"It is important to dwell on the issue of the land swaps, because it has the potential to disprove the “too late” claim that there is no possibility of evacuating the approximately 650,000 Israelis who live beyond the Green Line. The principle of the exchange of territories allows about 80% of the settlers to remain in their homes and be included within the boundaries of the State of Israel within an agreed border. In this way, it will be possible to significantly reduce the number of settlers who will be forced to move to the territory of the State of Israel through evacuation and compensation (or who will remain within the territory of the Palestinian state, if so agreed) to orders of magnitude that will not constitute an impossible task for the State of Israel."
https://www.pij.org/articles/2201/w...ospects-of-the-twostate-solution-is-justified
Israelis just bombed a press crew on the Lebanese border.
A friend of a friend has been torn into 2, even though all of them are journalists and were wearing "press". He was a cameraman for Reuters. I got the video an hour ago but only just got the news its actually him in the video.
Another example of Israeli barbarianism, but I guess this side of the border we aren't human right? So we don't have any rights or anything
A friend of a friend has been torn into 2, even though all of them are journalists and were wearing "press". He was a cameraman for Reuters. I got the video an hour ago but only just got the news its actually him in the video.
Another example of Israeli barbarianism, but I guess this side of the border we aren't human right? So we don't have any rights or anything
Israel just bombed people evacuating. Genocidal maniacs. May Palestine be free one day
Thanks a lot for sharing this. Wouldn't it be possible to place Jerusalem under international control and make it an open city?
Has it been proven that some of the images that have been released were made using AI? That's a very scary thought for both this and future conflicts.
Just heard this from a Caftard who knows one of the people.
Yeah, just like 9/11 was an inside job.
Which side isn't planning to bomb loads of people in this conflict though?
Israelis just bombed a press crew on the Lebanese border.
A friend of a friend has been torn into 2, even though all of them are journalists and were wearing "press". He was a cameraman for Reuters. I got the video an hour ago but only just got the news its actually him in the video.
Another example of Israeli barbarianism, but I guess this side of the border we aren't human right? So we don't have any rights or anything
Must've been some Hamas operative within a radius of 100km, because that's the range of their collateral damage
Israel will never allow that. It’s under their control. I’m not really saying this as a criticism of Israel specifically- if the Palestinians had that same level of control they’d be hanging on too.
There it is again. Even the massacre on their own civilians is Israel's fault.
Also, they're not going to wipe out Gaza's people, stop being ridiculous.
Ridiculous. There’s also nothing Israel can do other than go in and try to clear Hamas out. What’s the other option?
That was the idea in the 1947 partition plan. And very much my preferred option in the unlikely event a two-state solution ever appears on the agenda again. In today's climate it seems an impossibility to me, with too much of the mythology and nationalist sentiment underlying the rival narratives invested in the city to compromise.
Yep this is what I was trying to say. The only genuine 3 sided attack was 1973, but that was very much not attacking over the 1967 borders.
Then what you can do is read up on it.
Reuters and Al Jazeera journalists directly targeted by airstrikes, BBC team "assaulted and held at gunpoint" by Israeli police, in a few hours the Internet in Gaza will be taken down. The targeting of press and information seems to be a part of the strategy, not an accident.
The Palestinians are the ones who aren't planning to displace over a million people who have nowhere to go.
They know what's coming, the more press and phones with internet, the more the world will witness their crimes.
Maybe I guess but Israel is hardly a country to care about humanitarian law. Also cheers for the map link.
I could be wrong but I’ve mostly seen people attack it because it’s appear so hollow and cynical. Also I guess watching the last few days of bombing from Israel and seeing this apparent gesture isn’t going to go down well.
Israelis just bombed a press crew on the Lebanese border.
A friend of a friend has been torn into 2, even though all of them are journalists and were wearing "press". He was a cameraman for Reuters. I got the video an hour ago but only just got the news its actually him in the video.
Another example of Israeli barbarianism, but I guess this side of the border we aren't human right? So we don't have any rights or anything
I'm really sorry to hear about your loss buddy. Hope you and your family remain safe.
If they won Israel would have been no more. They lost. And they lost some land too. OMG they took our land ... because we attacked them....
There was zero chance of Israel losing.
Attacking from 3 directions and still taking such an L that you actually lose territory must be...omg...the humiliation must be unbearable. Try to make it like..no...we did not have hundreds of thousands of soldiers ready to invade...no...
In a thread that despite the heightened tensions has been relatively well natured and debated, certainly in comparison to most of the bile elsewhere on the internet (or indeed even on the Man Utd forum.....) your posts have to be amongst the most childish on here?
"..But there is very little confidence in western capitals that Israel will listen to calls for restraint. “They think they are facing a second potential Holocaust and fighting for the survival of the state,” says the EU official. “They’re not going to listen to us...”
"....European diplomats have also been struck by how little interest the Israeli government has shown in prioritising the lives of the hostages held in Gaza — some of whom come from European countries..."
"...And they share widespread concerns that once Israel has forced the Palestinians out of Gaza, it will never let them back..."
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This thread revealed so much, not surprising thou
The use of so many green smiles is quite annoying.
Its the ‘us v them’ nature of it that so unnecessary. I think he genuinely sees this as a personal win for his team.
EU politicians trying to save their backsides because they know what is coming and they know that they unabled it for decades.
The Palestinians. Easy, next question.
Wow.
Shoulder shrug. Platitudes about human rights after the event. They dropped leaflets. Most moral army in the world. What could they have done? Dresden. Ukraine. Many people in the West (and on this thread) likely secretly believing they deserve it. Do nothing. etc etc.
Giving a hospital 2 hours to evacuate.