My response to you, given how you ask questions, is "YOUR POSTS ARE DOGSHIT!"
Why should I bother to have a rational conversation with a person that begins with "your posts are dogshit"? You clearly don't care so let it be.
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Why should I bother to have a rational conversation with a person that begins with "your posts are dogshit"? You clearly don't care so let it be.
Did I say anything of the kind? The protection they get from hiding behind civilians is political pressure. I think that's pretty obvious.
OK chief. I think we see where you're coming from. Personally, I'm happy to remain a fan of human rights despite what's going on now.
Oh, so the Israelis wouldn't be mourning their dead if they hadn't voted for Likud, right?
The only problem being one side are called terrorists for what they do and another are considered heroes and well funded/equipped and supported by almost all major powers.
I'm not posting this to distract from the disgraceful assertions he made earlier, but to add nuance. It's not all hate and jews vs muslims, even now. Of course he has a political motive for this, but I'm just grabbing onto any calm and compassionate language being used by anyone important now.
Edit. I know he's not extending this compassion outside his borders, but I thought it was interesting. Anyway, fire away
Edit. I know he's not extending this compassion outside his borders, but I thought it was interesting. Anyway, fire away
Ok, so you're strictly talking about this conflict and western governments silence on israel. The kushner comment threw me off as he's not in office anymore.
Wow
Well done. You just gave legitimacy to the lunatics/terrorists who go about murdering American, English and European civilians in mindless attacks as a revenge for what their govts did in some countries.
This is becoming an echo chamber, devoid of reality.
The original poster was just regurgitating something he most likely read from an unreliable source unrelated to this round of conflict, and even so, it's wildly inaccurate. There are no human shields that can protect from literal bombs being dropped on top of your head.
The inference your making is wildly inaccurate for the same reason.
He was making a sarcastic joke [I believe]. The baby wasn't born in 2005.
Dude, it was a photo of a baby in an incubator. I was just drawing attention to the absolute shocker of an argument that I've seen made, that somehow blames Palestinian civilians for fot Hamas being in a position of power.
I'm not posting this to distract from the disgraceful assertions he made earlier, but to add nuance. It's not all hate and jews vs muslims, even now. Of course he has a political motive for this, but I'm just grabbing onto any calm and compassionate language being used by anyone important now.
Edit. I know he's not extending this compassion outside his borders, but I thought it was interesting. Anyway, fire away
This is the same guy that has intimated that all of Gaza deserves collective punishment. They're all the same. I'm not buying this shit.
Are you suggesting the term 'human shield' is a literal one?
Seriously?! Go back and look at what I'm replying to!
Nonsense, we are getting regular updates from X, we are on top of reality.
Ah - apologies. You were being sarcastic - that totally went over my head. (I think another poster thought the same as me).
The poster in question meant it literally, yes.
I'm not posting this to distract from the disgraceful assertions he made earlier, but to add nuance. It's not all hate and jews vs muslims, even now. Of course he has a political motive for this, but I'm just grabbing onto any calm and compassionate language being used by anyone important now.
Edit. I know he's not extending this compassion outside his borders, but I thought it was interesting. Anyway, fire away
He tried to walk back (with media collaboration, but never actually did) what he explicitly said on video. He's supposed to be the liberal face of the country (Bibi and his new allies take care of the other face) and he messed up by being too honest. So now there's this, a different kind of non-walk-back.
My bad. Apologies.
Correct! It has clearly backfired though.
Look at this place and you wouldn't think almost the entire world including the Arab one believes that the Israeli response is largely proportionate and agreeable. You'd think they are a rampaging murderous mob that everybody is against.
I assume most people, who are vehemently opposing an Israeli military response are doing so, because they want to preserve civilian life, not because they want to preserve Hamas. Yet it amounts almost to the same thing, because Hamas are hiding amongst children, creating the equation that killing one of them also means (having to risk) killing x civilians.
It's fine - was a crap attempt at sarcasm anyway.
Then the thread has ascended to new heights. When Israel mow the lawn, they must drive into Gaza with lawnmowers.
Yes I thought that's how you'd respond. To be fair, he explicitly denied his 'all gazans are responsible' comment if you watch the full speech. Still disgraceful, but not quite as bad when you watch it all.
Language has got to be toned down by everyone. It's dangerous. Public opinion has to be calmed down by leaders, not stoked. Which is why I'm sure you'll support this reaching out to Israeli Arabs in the circumstances?
I detest to even write about such topics. How do you do about saving the supporters versus the others? By telling people to leave. Will it work? Some, maybe, mostly not. HAMAS are having much more support in the general population then just the fighters. Then there are a lot of people that are victims in the middle.
If anybody can come up with a method to destroy HAMAS while protecting the people in the middle they should fecking stop making blame and start giving solutions. The problem is that all I can hear from Palestinian "officials" is putting all in the same boat. There is no faction in that region that is against HAMAS. It is literally a population taken over by ISIS for decades. They need to be saved, but how? If there is a way then some one should say it. (this is why I made the connection with the nazzis, a power point that made the population suffer)
I've never understood this line of thinking or found it anything more than an incredibly weak argument. So much shit has happened throughout human history, so many atrocities that shouldn't have happened. You can't turn back the clock to over 1000 years ago. Palestinians have lived on this land for over a 1000 years and the ones living there today aren't to blame for conquests that happened way back in the 7th century. They have a much stronger claim to their land than, for example, almost all US citizens have to their own.
You seem to talking about this as if it's correcting an ancient mistake or something, but you also seem to forget we're talking about real, living people here. You can tell yourself whatever you want to excuse the de facto genocide of a population that has already suffered so much, but I'm not going to go along with it.
Nah it's fine. Was probably bad taste for such an emotive subject anyway. It just infuriates me seeing that helpless little thing, and then hearing people talk about collective responsibility. Absolutely fcuk anyone who can see that baby and still hold that view
Start by giving their land back to the internationally recognised border 1967. Hamas has not been around since the start of the illegal occupation.
Tough war.
?I hope that you saw what collateral damage actually looks like.
This is the only way. But it'll take many years to get the security, resource and politics right to do it, but this is the only just solution. The USA has to get that ball rolling.
Drones are as impactful as the Gatling gun was in the 1860s...
Also because they [to different extents] believe that a) Israel as a nation 'deserved' this attack, and it was a direct consequence of oppression b) Therefore to rebalance the scales, Israel must respond with negotiations and concessions because c) It is Israels fault that Hamas exist in the first place, and it should be Israel not the Palestinians who suffer for their existence and d) A military response just hurts civilians who don't deserve this, and lets go back to b) to stop future attacks because e) Israel doesn't deserve to exist in the first place, so should stop being colonialist oppressors.