I don't understand your questions. I already told you that I don't agree with her theories and I don't understand the second question, I have done neither of these things nor supported it.
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I don't understand your questions. I already told you that I don't agree with her theories and I don't understand the second question, I have done neither of these things nor supported it.
WTF are you talking about? has anyone in this thread once said that?
I will not engage with someone like you in conversation.
You seem to be more bothered with what @nickm wrote rather with what she said. And she was the one who started all this. I've only seen half arsed recrimination.
A bit of an oversimplification. Many Ashkanzi Jews of today have substantial European lineages, which should surprise no one as those that left the middle east in ancient times eventually settled and intermarried with Europeans. That's not to say no Jews of today are related to those who lived in present day Israel thousands of years ago, but rather that those of the present have multiple lineages through generations of intermarriage with different ethnicities.
A lot of people don't seem to understand that just like every society, in Israel there are many different opinions and many different beliefs. In exactly the same way that Hamas does not equal Palestinian, settlers and Likud do not equal Israel. But sadly Hamas and Likud are the ones in charge.
Right wing Israel seems to blame all Palestinians for the conflict and extremist Palestinians blame all Israelis for the Nakba, but this is by no means prevalent across both societies.
I am neither a Jew nor religions, just rational.
You clearly can not write in a decent way but it seams nor can you think in a decent way. The birth place of the Jews is the Levant, not because I say so, but because that is the evidence that we have from ancient texts (stones actually). Many times the people there were forced to leave and then come back. Ever think why there are so many Jews in Europe and the World? Because they were forces to migrate at a number of times in history. At some points still, some of them went back; some or most had the dream of forming a nation in their original land. This is seen as a sin by imbeciles.
I'm bothered with people insinuating that a poster is anti-semite and I would have said nothing if you didn't defend it. And I have nothing to say about her post because there is nothing to say about it, the theory is senseless even when it concerns Bibi who is an absolute maniac. And I don't really know how to tackle it.
I said nothing about Jewish people and I have nothing against Jewish people. You don't know me but you're quick to judge and twist my statement. I know who I am so your words mean nothing. Some of my closest friends are Jewish and I'm surrounded by Jews on a daily basis and I know exactly who they are. I eat from them go to family gathering, celebrate with them so your opinion means nothing to me.
The Israeli government's solution to the problem is to bomb innocent civilians. How's that solving the issue? It's genocide and the Israeli government had their fingers on the trigger. If anything, their actions are going to antongize hamas even more and more people are going to die on both sides. Dropping thousands of nukes on people who have nowhere to go?
Only hyrrocrites will feel for one and not the other and think it's justified. Innocent people are dying on BOTH sides. A lot of Jewish people here are against the decision the Israeli government is making as well because their families are dying as a result. The organizations who use civilians as puppets in their games and the organizations who support them are the real monsters. This includes the US government or any other organization that's supporting what's currently happening. They all have blood on their hands.
Ah ok I get your perspective. No point reacting to her initial post but you felt the urge to react because I chose to react to her crackpot theory post and to her saying that the poster supported the carnage. OK got you.
No, that's not it but now I suspect that you are pretending to not understand.
For the bolded point:
Firstly there are a million people including many infirm (injured, hopitalised, amputees). So even if they wanted to, the logistics wouldn't work.
Second, this evacuation will be done during bombing including of ambulances and definitely of other vehicles.
Thirdly, Israel is bombing the south of Gaza too:
I am not responding to you since it is obvious from your other posts what your thinking is, but clarifying some of the things you said in case your justifications for genocide look convincing to others.
Yes. So many generations of migrants to different lands it's for sure. My point was that some people look at the Canaans civ and then the Jewish civ as if they came from the sky. They are obviously related and one is a sun of the other. The civ of the Canaans was gone, but the people lived on; the Jews are part of that. Least we want to think the Jews actually came from the Moon.
Civs end but they also survive as people that diverge and make new civs.
There is only one solution, Israel gives the Palestinians a state to the border of 1967 based on two UN resolution, 242 and 2334 and in accordance to international law.
Anything else is just dragning the war to more atrocities and death of innocent lives.
Anything else is just dragning the war to more atrocities and death of innocent lives.
You posted something stupid and got called out. I understand you are being emotional but I just told you to calm down. You really think @nickm or any decent human being supports the carnage Palestinians are facing? I've seen no posts supporting this.I don't think you are anti semite but that type of post doesn't help the discourse. I'm always trying to diffuse this type of situation. Go to my posting history and you will understand it. I don't want the thread closed.
Alright, whatever you say.
We've had our differences in the past, but this is spot on.
I have no credence for the conspiracy theory, but the original post clearly says Israeli government and that clearly does not mean "the Jews" as the response stated. The quicker people stop equating a leadership with a whole people in this thread, the better.
With respect, that is bs.
When you make a major attack on a nation you expect a major response. You do not go all Pikachu face when you find out a major response is incoming. They knew the danger from the moment they planed the terrorist attack. So it's not 24h, it's probably more the 6 months as time. HAMAS made the decision to treat the population as cannon fodder from day one.
It's true I've worked in the Diamond District for over 20 years and it's 90% Jewish owned.I don't know about that argument, now I'm doubting you.
I apologize if it came across that way but I feel for both sides and it's an emotional time and there isn't a soul who would look at what's happening and not feel deeply disturbed by it all. I'll be more careful with how I post.
Apology accepted and I offer my apologies for the tone of some of my posts. I understand you. I'm really sorry for the palestinians and what's happening. I'm close to blacklisting this thread since I'm quickly losing the small amount of faith I still had in mankind. This is really nerve racking, depressing and I'm seating comfortable in an office in western Europe. Can't even imagine what palestinians and Israeli are feeling or going through.It's true I've worked in the Diamond District for over 20 years and it's 90% Jewish owned.
I apologize if it came across that way but I feel for both sides and it's an emotional time and there isn't a soul who would look at what's happening and not feel deeply disturbed by it all. I'll be more careful with how I post.
So are Palestinans. Shouldn't they have rights to that land then?
"Some of my closest friends are Jewish"It's true I've worked in the Diamond District for over 20 years and it's 90% Jewish owned.
I apologize if it came across that way but I feel for both sides and it's an emotional time and there isn't a soul who would look at what's happening and not feel deeply disturbed by it all. I'll be more careful with how I post.
I thought the "some of my friends are X" defence is frowned upon here?
You're missing the point - the land of Canaan was inhabited Ancient Egyptians, so given your own logic, the land should be given to their modern day counterparts?
Also - your overall point is incorrect.
Feel like the last 10 pages is purely people bickering over semantics, interpretations of history, genealogy etc...
He should be in prison
No they're not, you need to read the old testament, the Israelites beat the Canaanites in the battle of Mount Tabor.
That's the Israeli Palestinian conflict in a nutshell.
Seems like the whole thread tbh
Isn't that a huge part of this issue? Everyone claims historical ownership of the land. If you could solve those semantics, interpretations of history and genealogy, you'd have an answer to the whole problem!
dear god, tiny babies in incubators. Really hope they will be ok. Poor things.
I've always avoided politics and never understood why most people hated America but I'm now starting to slowly realize why.
I doubt anyone with actual power gives a feck at this point.
Disgusting
Can't see Biden et al being swayed by whatever conflict the ancient Egyptians had with the Canaanites tbh.
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting points to be made, history to learn, etc, etc. It's just overshadowed now by what Hamas did last weekend.
Speaking of posting respectfully, are you going to continue referring to starvation sieges as "war crimes" in quotes? Your moral outrage combined with being a moral black hole is very impressive.