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I'm just surprised that people dont seem to be aware how much of a bubble the discussion on here is. When in the real (Western) world this event has actually united politicians from far left to far right in their response like almost no issue these days can.

United in the fear of not having their careers ruined by not going all in on 'Israel is innocent they have the right to raze Palestine to the ground'.
 
4000 short tons of explosives from 6000 munitions would amount to 907~kg per warhead. 1. Israel don't have them 2. If they had dropped that many 900kg bombs on Gaza, you'd just see miles of craters.

It literally says 6000 bombs, nothing about explosive weights. You just made that part up for fun?

And lay off the personal insults. I've every right to point out dumb assertions.

You could have just googled it instead of accusing him of lying, like I did since I was also curious about those numbers.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-...rike-on-gaza-un-calls-for-aid-for-palestinians

5:06pm: Israel hits Gaza with 4,000 tonnes of explosives since Saturday, says army
The Israeli army said it has bombarded the Gaza Strip with approximately 6,000 bombs containing a total of 4,000 tonnes of explosives since Saturday when it began striking Hamas targets.

"Approximately 6,000 bombs have been dropped on the Gaza Strip with a total weight of 4,000 tonnes," the army said in a statement Thursday.

Several sources are reporting that exact quote. That doesn't mean it's true, obviously, but he clearly didn't make it up.
 
Do you have an example of states/people in human history not taking revenge on such unbearable barbarism, especially from a position of power? Would you start peace talks if your family lies butchered in the basement? Of course it's appalling from our point of view sitting at home drinking coffee, but none of us have the moral high ground to tell Israel how to answer.
So revenge for you killing thousands of Palestinian babies? :wenger:
 
4000 short tons of explosives from 6000 munitions would amount to 907~kg per warhead. 1. Israel don't have them 2. If they had dropped that many 900kg bombs on Gaza, you'd just see miles of craters.

It literally says 6000 bombs, nothing about explosive weights. You just made that part up for fun?

And lay off the personal insults. I've every right to point out dumb assertions.

I dont see the anything about the explosive weights either reading through the AP. I dont think matters though to the laymen. Ordinary people like myself havnt got a clue what the average bomb dropped in Gaza weighs.
 
You could have just googled it instead of accusing him of lying, like I did since I was also curious about those numbers.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231012--live-israel-announces-large-scale-strike-on-gaza-un-calls-for-aid-for-palestinians

5:06pm: Israel hits Gaza with 4,000 tonnes of explosives since Saturday, says army
The Israeli army said it has bombarded the Gaza Strip with approximately 6,000 bombs containing a total of 4,000 tonnes of explosives since Saturday when it began striking Hamas targets.

"Approximately 6,000 bombs have been dropped on the Gaza Strip with a total weight of 4,000 tonnes," the army said in a statement Thursday.

Several sources are reporting that exact quote. That doesn't mean it's true, obviously, but he clearly didn't make it up.

Ok, it's bad reporting/wording then, as opposed to him lying. I'm sure twitter will pick up on it at some point, because it's quite obviously rubbish. As far as I know, this is Israels biggest air launched bomb, which is around 900kg in total weight (with a 300kgish warhead??). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-109_bomb The article I read on it was so long ago I don't remember how many they have but I doubt it's near 6000.
 
I dont see the anything about the explosive weights either reading through the AP. I dont think matters though to the laymen. Ordinary people like myself havnt got a clue what the average bomb dropped in Gaza weighs.

It's rather irrelevant, but if people want to stop posting misinformation, they should stop posting all misinformation.
 
4000 short tons of explosives from 6000 munitions would amount to 907~kg per warhead. 1. Israel don't have them 2. If they had dropped that many 900kg bombs on Gaza, you'd just see miles of craters.

It literally says 6000 bombs, nothing about explosive weights. You just made that part up for fun?

And lay off the personal insults. I've every right to point out dumb assertions.

Plenty of other outlets have reported the 4,000 tons number, including Danish public broadcasting where I originally read the two numbers (basically the Danish BBC). They also still have it up.


Notably all of them say that the 4,000 number comes from the IDF statement.
 
I dont see the anything about the explosive weights either reading through the AP. I dont think matters though to the laymen. Ordinary people like myself havnt got a clue what the average bomb dropped in Gaza weighs.

The article is from the AFP, not the AP.

I think that it could be a misquote because I saw that the army stated that some of the ordnance weighted 4000 pounds and that they dropped 6000 since Saturday.
 
This is what a 450kg* bomb looks like for reference:

Trying to imagine 6000 of them going off in Gaza is unthinkable.

*edited, I'll try and find a 900kg one.
 

Ndtv is not at all the danish bbc. That is DR which means Danmarks Radio. Just to nitpick. Never heard of ndtv. But apart from that as you say it is reported from several media stations

Edit.: NDTV is an indian channel
 
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Ok, it's bad reporting/wording then, as opposed to him lying. I'm sure twitter will pick up on it at some point, because it's quite obviously rubbish. As far as I know, this is Israels biggest air launched bomb, which is around 900kg in total weight (with a 300kgish warhead??). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-109_bomb The article I read on it was so long ago I don't remember how many they have but I doubt it's near 6000.



Translation: "In the attacks, hundreds of terrorists were killed and over 3,600 targets were attacked. Among the targets attacked were command and control targets, strategic military infrastructures, munitions production sites, intelligence assets, leadership targets, naval superiority targets and rocket array targets. So far, about 6,000 bombs weighing 4,000 tons have been dropped on the Gaza Strip."
 
This is what a 900kg bomb looks like for reference:

Trying to imagine 6000 of them going off in Gaza is unthinkable.


https://www.jewishpress.com/news/ey...-bombs-dropped-since-start-of-war/2023/10/12/

The IDF continues to attack the entrenched Hamas terrorist infrastructure throughout Gaza, aiming thousands of bombs and other ordnance, some weighing 4,000 pounds, at the military targets presented by the Iranian proxy.

Since the start of the Shabbat Simchat Torah war launched Saturday morning (Oct. 7, 2023) by Hamas, the Israel Air Force has dropped some 6,000 bombs on targets belonging to the terrorist organization and its ally, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the IDF said Thursday.

If this article is correct, then the Army stated that they used bombs that are twice as heavy.
 
Who's supporting them exactly?

In fact, looking at your comments on this situation, you've shown zero concern for the Israelis slaughtered, in fact your first comment on this awful situation was this:



So don't lecture others, most of whom are distraught by the suffering on both sides.
I also pointed out that there's a distinct difference between sympathy and empathy. But again why let the facts get in the way.

There's plenty of posts supporting the Israeli actions.

There's the sheer hypocrisy of claiming one group are evil and barbaric whilst condoning the other side committing war crimes.
 
There is an obvious solution to the problem: Hamas should surrender. Failing this, the good Palestinians in Gaza who do not support the terrorists should rebel against Hamas.
 
There is an obvious solution to the problem: Hamas should surrender. Failing this, the good Palestinians in Gaza who do not support the terrorists should rebel against Hamas.
Let's say they do. Literally round up anyone hamas related and drag them to the nearest checkpoint. Will israel give them the same rights as their own citizens?
 
I'm just surprised that people dont seem to be aware how much of a bubble the discussion on here is. When in the real (Western) world this event has actually united politicians from far left to far right in their response like almost no issue these days can.

The only reason is because Hamas have dropped themselves into the same category as ISIS with their recent actions. It’s made an otherwise complex geopolitical issue into a fairly black and white one, at least for now.
 
The centre-left is certainly making sure nothing breaks that unity, impressive!



e - tried not get get mad, but this one got me.
i don't like standpoint theory, but since everybody loves that in these cases: what we have here is a german telling a jewish man, with family that died in the nazi holocaust, that she can't meet with him because his statement mentions civilians in gaza. and she is getting almost unanimous support. what a sorry excuse for a political climate. what an amazing way to transfer collective guilt to a different population.


I can't imagie you could write a much better or balanced (short) statement than Sanders'. Trying to cancel him because of it is so absurdly stupid, it's bordering on hilarious (like a lot of things that have been said and done in recent days). But the SPD is a dying party for a good reason, from winning 35-40% to the vote to 25% and now they are at risk of falling behind the AFD and Greens, too. Scholz winning the election was just a lucky byproduct of the two front runners tearing each other (and themselves) down.
 
What is the message?
Not to be cliché, but speak softly & carry a big stick. The strike group just further amplifies what Biden said in relation to Israel & the US.

Hopefully there will not be any escalation & another front opened in this fracas & the group hanging our a few miles off the coast might just help prevent that.
 
I also pointed out that there's a distinct difference between sympathy and empathy. But again why let the facts get in the way.

There's plenty of posts supporting the Israeli actions.

There's the sheer hypocrisy of claiming one group are evil and barbaric whilst condoning the other side committing war crimes.
Your feelings are crystal clear mate. You were just brimming with sorrow about hundreds of innocent civilians being slaughtered. In fact, do you even think they were innocent? Be honest.
 
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/ey...-bombs-dropped-since-start-of-war/2023/10/12/



If this article is correct, then the Army stated that they used bombs that are twice as heavy.

Yea, it's not correct. The army seems to have crap spokespeople as well as crap intelligence, crap ethics, and crap isr. 900kg is huge, to the point its hard to think of something comparable. For reference, 2x the video above, 2x a tomahawk, or something.

I'm trying to find a video of the M118 to show it, but doesn't seem to be much as it's rather an old bomb. (Israel don't have any anyway)
 
And Israel walks in and kills them anyways.

I think that if Hamas surrenders for the sake of the lives of Palestinian children, the whole world will sympathize with the Palestinians and it will be very hard for Israel to keep bombarding Gaza.

Everyone who supports the Palestinians should ask the Gaza people to rebel against Hamas. That's the best solution for everyone, it will prove that Palestinians do not support terrorists.
 
I think that if Hamas surrenders for the sake of the lives of Palestinian children, the whole world will sympathize with the Palestinians and it will be very hard for Israel to keep bombarding Gaza.

Everyone who supports the Palestinians should ask the Gaza people to rebel against Hamas. That's the best solution for everyone, it will prove that Palestinians do not support terrorists.
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I think that if Hamas surrenders for the sake of the lives of Palestinian children, the whole world will sympathize with the Palestinians and it will be very hard for Israel to keep bombarding Gaza.

Everyone who supports the Palestinians should ask the Gaza people to rebel against Hamas. That's the best solution for everyone, it will prove that Palestinians do not support terrorists.

Not likely given that Hamas exists to destroy Israel, which was on full display over the weekend. This is now an irrefutable fact irrespective of the Israeli response, which will be assessed and criticized on its own merits.
 
Not likely given that Hamas exists to destroy Israel, which was on full display over the weekend. This is now an irrefutable fact irrespective of the Israeli response, which will be assessed and criticized on its own merits.

Do you think the majority of Palestinians want to destroy Israel?

(It's an honest question, I really don't know. )
 
I think that if Hamas surrenders for the sake of the lives of Palestinian children, the whole world will sympathize with the Palestinians and it will be very hard for Israel to keep bombarding Gaza.

Everyone who supports the Palestinians should ask the Gaza people to rebel against Hamas. That's the best solution for everyone, it will prove that Palestinians do not support terrorists.
Your post reeks of utopia. Sorry.
 
I disagree with a lot of it, but it seems all he wants is peace at the end of the day which is great. I would just ask him if he thought the entire territory was peaceful prior to Hamas doing what they did.
*That's* your question after reading all that?

No, he doesn't think the entire territory was peaceful prior to the recent Hamas attack. I can't imagine what you're trying to imply.
 
Do you think the majority of Palestinians want to destroy Israel?

(It's an honest question, I really don't know. )

No. I think they want to live in their own country in peace. That was obviously never in the cards with a paramilitary terrorist organization being controlled by Iran representing their interests.
 
I think that if Hamas surrenders for the sake of the lives of Palestinian children, the whole world will sympathize with the Palestinians and it will be very hard for Israel to keep bombarding Gaza.

Everyone who supports the Palestinians should ask the Gaza people to rebel against Hamas. That's the best solution for everyone, it will prove that Palestinians do not support terrorists.

If they sent the surrender through China and/or the US, they would be obligated to stop Israel if they were to continue attacking Gaza. This is all theoretical of course, because there is no way Hamas will offer to surrender. They will fight until the very last man.