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Pogue Mahone said:
I cannot stress how fecking insane it is that the whole world as got invested in the specific way in which babies were killed. As though somehow proof that they were or not decapitated is the only way to determine who has the moral high ground. I honestly don’t think this sort of mass stupidity could have happened in an era before social media.
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It's even worse if you look at the picture shared by the Prime Minister account. Because it doesn't answer the question while giving you the opportunity to see something we didn't need to see.
 
Drizzle said:
This is depressing. How are these young people going to be OK living side by side with the jews they're taught to murder? I hope they all live through this and learn to accept and forgive their enemy.

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Are these quote accurate? And they are saying that they are teaching this at UN funded schools?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I cannot stress how fecking insane and depressing it is that the whole world has got this invested in the specific way in which babies were killed. As though somehow proof that they were or not decapitated is the only way to determine who has the moral high ground. I honestly don’t think this sort of mass stupidity could have happened in an era before social media.
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Much like most binary rabbit-hole e-arguments, its 100% a social media thing.
 
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Amar__ said:
Yeah, it was meant to be funny. And sad at the same time too, to see what kind of "objective" information we get.
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Happens in the UK, too. During other 'flashpoints' we've had journalists reporting live from Gaza in full body armour and helmets, whereas the correspondent based in Israel is wearing a shirt without a tie and the top button open.
 
The Corinthian said:
Don't make things up.

I've not condoned anything Hamas has done in any of my posts, and I've repeatedly said if the various claims are true I'd be the first to condemn them. The reality is that kids have been killed from Hamas, just as kids have been killed by Israel in this conflict, and it sickens me. But when an Israeli kid dies, the perception is that ALL Palestinians are barbaric, and ALL Palestinians should pay.

When its a Palestinian kid, we have to hear every excuse under the sun about why it happens. There's a double standard, and you (not the royal you) play up to it.
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That's the point, you don't need the claims to be true. They don't matter. Dead babies are dead babies, no matter how they were killed. There's no propaganda way to be had in whether they were decapitated or not. It's not a battle of perception. They are dead, end of story.

Their cause of death has absolutely nothing to do with the placing of collective responsibility or the apparent perception that all palestinians are barbaric (that's a very fringe view; though if one shows support for these attacks or frame them as freedom fighters/resistance, one may be included)

And not many people make excuses when Palestinian kids die either. They are also simply dead, and the pictures posted here of them were just as traumatic and horrific. Nobody looks at the Israeli babies and goes "aww" and then looks at the Palestinian ones and goes "yay dead terrorist." We want dead terrorists, not babies. The de facto 'government' of Gaza have declared war on a major power with a major terrorist attack, and that major power is responding brutally. There might be a calculation amongst Israelis/Westerners that the life of the Palestinian baby is 'worth less' because it's 'expected collateral' but that's not the same as making excuses to kill babies. It's just caring less if they die. Again, it is what it is. They make a distinction rightly or wrongly between 'collateral' and 'murder' but the impact is the same on us all when we see them.

That's why the babies thing is so confusing to me; we'll find out eventually but it really doesn't matter how they were murdered. It's fluff. Dead babies are bad. Almost everybody on the planet agrees.
 
Hanks said:
Because Islamic Republic's foreign minister, Amirabdollahian, and some senior Quds forces from Islamic Republic were flying there....they had to redirect and go back to Tehran airport.
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Isn't that a stupid move? Syria regime is backed by the Kremlin. Surely Syria will respond in kind. We don't need this conflict to escalate further.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I cannot stress how fecking insane and depressing it is that the whole world has got this invested in the specific way in which babies were killed. As though somehow proof that they were or not decapitated is the only way to determine who has the moral high ground. I honestly don’t think this sort of mass stupidity could have happened in an era before social media.
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It's been morbidly fascinating seeing the western media so quick to major on the story despite the fact there was so little verification, followed by the retractions. It's exposed the level of misinformation out there and how readily the west will accept stories demonising the muslim side.

The insane thing for me is that Hamas has clearly admitted loads of truly horrific atrocities, so why make up such an emotive crime if it didn't happen? I guess you could argue it's worked and it's deflected from some of Israel's own atrocities committed. War propaganda is as old as mankind but with social media now it's another level.
 
TheReligion said:
Basically Israel should not be doing it.
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Correct. I've posted multiple times that they are currently fighting more like Russia than Israel, and it does not suit them. Not only the siege but CCR, artillery use, and target picking.
 
Boycott said:
Do the majority of Indians really root passionately for Israel or is it just those Indians who do all live in online comment sections?
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It's the majority of hindutva or right wing Hindus. They love anyone who hates Muslims or ironically anyone who hates the 3 Abrahamic faiths. You have to remember that these people admire Hitler at the same time as backing Israel.
 
Drizzle said:
This is depressing. How are these young people going to be OK living side by side with the jews they're taught to murder? I hope they all live through this and learn to accept and forgive their enemy.

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Gehrman said:
It reminds of an interview i saw earlier today. And i would just like to say in advance im completely against Israel conducting the siege the way they do and obviously blowing gaza civilians to bits and pieces. Its hard not feel the idea of them living side by side is completely dead at this point.

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Thanks for these, gives some insight also to the very real threat jews are facing. So all the young kids are basically brainwashed to become martyrs and hate jews. Disgusting.
 
Boycott said:
Do the majority of Indians really root passionately for Israel or is it just those Indians who do all live in online comment sections?
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The latter. Most wont be able to place Israel/Gaza on a map, or have any sort of geopolitical/historical awareness about the situation. Its mostly RW online trolls who have a hatred for Muslims. Its not really a topic of discussion apart from turbulent times like these.
 
I find it bizarre that Sky News, Reuters, Associated Press, ABC News are carrying the story of the bombing of Syria airports by Israel but BBC and CNN are silent on it.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Thanks for these, gives some insight also to the very real threat jews are facing. So all the young kids are basically brainwashed to become martyrs and hate jews. Disgusting.
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The Green Prince, which chronicles the guy in the 2nd video's journey, is a good watch. It was on Netflix for a long time. I'm sure its still available on one of the streaming platforms.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I cannot stress how fecking insane and depressing it is that the whole world has got this invested in the specific way in which babies were killed. As though somehow proof that they were or not decapitated is the only way to determine who has the moral high ground. I honestly don’t think this sort of mass stupidity could have happened in an era before social media.
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I think the number quoted of "forty babies" let a lot of people who are just baked in cynicism towards Israel act like if it's not verified as exactly forty then nothing happened and the whole decapitation story was a lie.
 
Boycott said:
Do the majority of Indians really root passionately for Israel or is it just those Indians who do all live in online comment sections?
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India is a screwed up place unfortunately. Hindu Indians still have the stupid caste system which means if your born into the wrong caste you can only do menial labour.
 
dinostar77 said:
I find it bizarre that Sky News, Reuters, Associated Press, ABC News are carrying the story of the bombing of Syria airports by Israel but BBC and CNN are silent on it.
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Each outlet has to confirm the accuracy of some of the stories with their own journalists. They could of course say "ABC news is reporting", but with a lot of misinformation going about, they are probably wanting to confirm it themselves before running with it.
 
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RedTiger said:
It's the majority of hindutva or right wing Hindus. They love anyone who hates Muslims or ironically anyone who hates the 3 Abrahamic faiths. You have to remember that these people admire Hitler at the same time as backing Israel.
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What's the Indian political response? I'm guessing Modi will talk about India's own national security with the Kashmir issue?
 
dinostar77 said:
I find it bizarre that Sky News, Reuters, Associated Press, ABC News are carrying the story of the bombing of Syria airports by Israel but BBC and CNN are silent on it.
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BBC mentioned it in the 14.02 update on their "live page". Comes with the disclaimer "The BBC has not been able to independently confirm the reported attacks".
 
Highfather_24 said:
The latter. Most wont be able to place Israel/Gaza on a map, or have any sort of geopolitical/historical awareness about the situation. Its mostly RW online trolls who have a hatred for Muslims. Its not really a topic of discussion apart from turbulent times like these.
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That would be true in the US as well TBH
 
dinostar77 said:
Isn't that a stupid move? Syria regime is backed by the Kremlin. Surely Syria will respond in kind. We don't need this conflict to escalate further.
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Israel has been bombing Syria with Russia’s permission and no major response from Damascus for years.
 
Boycott said:
What's the Indian political response? I'm guessing Modi will talk about India's own national security with the Kashmir issue?
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Modi will talk about everything except issues burning with the country.

In this instance, he's already stated solidarity with Israel.
 
So apparently Israel has now dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza from Saturday until now. 4,000 tons of explosives on the most densely populated place on earth.
 
Mike Smalling said:
So apparently Israel has now dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza from Saturday until now. 4,000 tons of explosives on the most densely populated place on earth.
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Whilst the US is replenishing Israeli war stocks.
 
CNN showing the pictures (right to do so) but won’t show pictures of mass shooting victims in US. How does that makes sense?
 
The Corinthian said:
Whilst the US is replenishing Israeli war stocks.
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Frankly, I'm a bit puzzled with the degree to which the West is taking the side of Israel in this. Not the U.S., but the EU countries. After the initial condemnation, I would have expected to see some more balance, but it seems to be only left-wing politicans not in power, as well as humanitarian organizations that are currently urging constraint.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Frankly, I'm a bit puzzled with the degree to which the West is taking the side of Israel in this. Not the U.S., but the EU countries. After the initial condemnation, I would have expected to see some more balance, but it seems to be only left-wing politicans not in power, as well as humanitarian organizations that are currently urging constraint.
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Why? Thousands of militants invaded an allied nation, commited atrocities, killed hundreds and kidnapped dozens. They know what they would be expected to do if it happened to their nations and they wouldn't want to hear any 'you brought it on yourself' talk you see from some people.

The call for constraint is how people normally talk about these instances but they know that overwhelming force will be used to take out Hamas this time.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Frankly, I'm a bit puzzled with the degree to which the West is taking the side of Israel in this. Not the U.S., but the EU countries. After the initial condemnation, I would have expected to see some more balance, but it seems to be only left-wing politicans not in power, as well as humanitarian organizations that are currently urging constraint.
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There are loads of reasons for this including the fact that 1000 of them were just massacred in a particularly brutal way and that has an affect on public opinion. But surely the main one is simply that Israel is the most reliable and longstanding western ally in the region.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Frankly, I'm a bit puzzled with the degree to which the West is taking the side of Israel in this. Not the U.S., but the EU countries. After the initial condemnation, I would have expected to see some more balance, but it seems to be only left-wing politicans not in power, as well as humanitarian organizations that are currently urging constraint.
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Islamist terrorism is kind of a deal breaker and going after Hamas is what most of them would do. So it's a lot harder to argue degrees of brutality, when you agree with the general direction.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Frankly, I'm a bit puzzled with the degree to which the West is taking the side of Israel in this. Not the U.S., but the EU countries. After the initial condemnation, I would have expected to see some more balance, but it seems to be only left-wing politicans not in power, as well as humanitarian organizations that are currently urging constraint.
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The EU officially regards Hamas as a terrorist organization so its not particularly surprising that they would side with Israel on a vast majority of issues. This is of course before last weekend's attack which only reinforced what everyone previously thought about Hamas.
 
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