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Hamas soldiers arrived via paragliders to the music festival where they slaughtered young festival goers.
From my understanding, they only have backup generators to keep hospitals running, but these won't last long.
UN doesn't know how much fuel they have stored but they think some hospitals are already out, food they seem to have better data on and say will run out in 2 weeks without external aid.
They ran out of fuel too as far as I've understood it. It's urgent for a humanitarian corridor to be opened, but Israel is determined not to allow that without hostage releases and Hamas are determined not to release hostages without prisoner exchanges. Neither really seem to care all that much about Gazans.
It was reported on the BBC live page as being "hours".
Ignoring mass gun shootings in the US.
This is all depressing. Going to have to stay off social media for a while now, been feeling like shit the last 3-4 days, it's everywhere.
I tend to hate these kind of sentiments. Fact-checking is important.
It is. I'm quite sure that Shashank Joshi, Defence editor at @TheEconomist, and Visiting fellow at @warstudies King's College London is aware of this.
He's also aware that nobody is fact checking now; only trying to score sides on each side of the conflict and traumatising people in the process. The truth will out eventually; it's inconsequential how they were murdered and that's obviously not just disinformation.
Pro Israelis post it to say "hey look how bad Hamas are?" Dude, we know how bad they are. They just slaughtered 1300 Israelis and would rather kill Palestinians than release hostages. How they killed the babies doesn't matter.
Pro Palestinians post it to say "hey look how the Zionists twist the news for sympathy." Dude, they killed babies. How they did it doesn't matter.
The Hamas also used paragliders to fly past the wall and reach Israel's territory to perpetrate their massacre.
Using it as a symbol is either you clearly supporting them and their despicable actions, or you having the IQ of a mentally challenged seashell to not realize that it would automatically discredit your support to the Palestinians.
Any of the options, the latter being very unlikely, makes you a piece of faecal matter of the highest order.
I get it, point made by him, but almost by his tone, just let people make shit up and spread disinformation? Feels like a whiff.
Amen. RIP
He hasn’t seen what Andrew Neil has seen, clearly.
If you can somehow do the mental gymnastics and remove Hamas' agency, it's still not revelling?
I feel this post is from the other day is getting misquoted because the context has been lost. It was in response to Ackman calling for the names of all members of any pro-Palestine student organisation to be published and these people blacklisted. He wants this regardless of whether any of these people have celebrated Hamas, just because they support Palestinian freedom. Plenty of people support Palestinian liberation but abhor Hamas and its actions.
Not really, as the tweet is not embedded correctly.
I’m blaming Elon Musk for that.
Yea but then when those claims are used to further dehumanize a group of people and give justification for their destruction, then it's important to keep the facts straight.
It was also used separate the baby deaths by Hamas versus the baby deaths caused by Israel, it seems people just forgot that Israel has been killing babies for over a decade.
Yes, for a lot of people, the crisis started on Sunday, looking at their response.
Yeah, this devolvement of opinion to a (supposed) authority media figures (read; well known) is odd, as is claiming they are much more likely to know the truth.
Neill is an ex presenter from the BBC and ex-editor of the Times (and known culture warrior), the likelihood he has some super special contacts to establish the facts and source check on the ground is more hopeful rather than logical assessment of his abilities as a journalist.
Instead, it seems (until we understand the truth) that Neil will just flow along with the main media outlets who will publish this stuff on the front page today without doing due diligence, as will he, given he is an establishment hack.
Patients on hemodialysis literally need electricity and sterile water to live. Are they just an accepted casualty in all of this?
I feel it is grossly counter-productive for the whole Palestinian cause/coverage to make that claim about journalists.
Everything they have ever done has been counter-productive. The graph has had only one trajectory for 75 years.
What isn't counter-productive at this point to Palestinians? It seems them or their advocates doing anything but breathing in silence will harm their cause.
Exactly!
Its also a misleading distraction in that the Israelis would go into Gaza with or without published photos of the worst kind imaginable. The mere fact that Hamas members were strolling around Israeli kibutzs with automatic weapons would've likely resulted in a similar reaction.
Pretty sure Israel is willing to accept that, and a lot more.
Is it true Israel has denied water and food to Gaza?
Yes, everything is cut off until their government release the hostages apparently.
They're saying that its "until the hostages are released" because it sounds more palatable than saying its being done as a pretext to a ground invasion.
Well, yea the hostages won't be released and the siege will continue unabated. It's a good bit of pressure though, to link the two. And gives Hamas an out if they release hostages. (They won't because they are fine on food and water and wont be suffering from this)
“Talk to the terrorists and make them do a nice thing, otherwise we have zero choice but to starve 1 million children to death… “
Sounds like a plan. Kill thousands of people to release hostages held by terrorists.
Super powers enabled war crime. A siege in the modern era is just barbaric.
Hamas are more than likely hold up in bunkers under Gaza. They probably have enough food and water and fuel for their generators stored to wait out the attack. They are not going to kill the leaders of Hamas by doing this.
Israel wouldn't mind the entire population to be casualties. That is the point of a siege. It is a move right out of the medieval age.
Croatian pro Israeli TV reporter showing how tough situation in Israel is.
This is depressing. How are these young people going to be OK living side by side with the jews they're taught to murder? I hope they all live through this and learn to accept and forgive their enemy.