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It’s your company commander, so like who are you supposed to report it to?
Rank: Lieutenant
Unit: Nahal Anti Tank Unit
Area: Hebron area
period: 2012
[ Arrests ]
[ Humiliation ]
[ Separation Barrier ]
[ Stake out ]
[ Violence ]

There was this one time I remember really well, where a few [Palestinian] teenagers came to steal metals [from the separation barrier] and really by chance they fell into an ambush. They were a few brothers and they brought their little brother with them, who was about eleven, something [like]… really a little kid. So the ambush caught them (the older brothers), and the kid managed to run away. He started running away back to the village and we were called up as the available force already in the area in order to catch him. Now, at that moment we didn’t know it was a little kid. We were just told, “There’s a suspect and he’s running away in this direction,” and we’re with him (following him) on the cameras of the scouts. So we run, full gear, ceramic [armors], helmets, things like that. [We] get to the location and we’re told, “Okay, you’re very very close, about ten meters from him.” We spread ourselves into a straight line, really walking with our weapons ready [to shoot]. We might have cocked [the weapons], I don’t remember, and we’re really getting ready [to shoot] in a straight line. Those who had a laser started lasering on the…
It was at night?Yes. The officers [point] with their lasers at the bush, and I’m like sure I’m about to arrest some mega-terrorist now, like Bin Laden at least. Suddenly something moved, I didn’t see exactly. My company commander just made a few steps forward and [then we saw that] it was a kid. And he just gave him a kick that shot him into the air. The kid started crying and the company commander like knelt over him. Like, an eleven-year-old boy.
What do you mean by knelt over him?Leaned on him with his knee, pointed his weapon at him. And then [they wanted] to handcuff him with a zip-tie, and the zip-tie wouldn’t even close on his hand because he was such a small child. So he’s crying, [we] pick him up and walk with him back to the patrol jeep, and the kid is crying. I was shocked by the whole thing. [And] then we took him back to the base with all [his] brothers.
And what did they do with them afterward, from the base?I think they were handed to the police or the Shin Bet [Security Service], something like that. They (the older brothers) were already waiting inside. They were waiting on the Wolf (armored transport vehicle) until we return [with the little brother]. They asked really bad, “What’s going on with the little boy?”, “What’s going on with the little boy?” Our guys really stressed them out on that matter, threw around all sorts of remarks. And that’s it, it’s like another story that demonstrates really well, because on the one hand you have this awful company commander who kicked a little kid, and on the other hand you’re so angry with the older brothers for bringing their little brother to a place where he could easily get hit by a bullet, and you don’t know exactly where to direct your anger. On the other hand, it’s just cool for you to have had some action, there’s something to tell the guys. And I remember that even then I knew that something there wasn’t right. On the one hand not right, on the other hand it’s your company commander, so like who are you supposed to report it to?
Did you ever ask, for example, in this context, if it’s okay to arrest an eleven-year-old child?No, because there’s a very clear sense there that it’s you who determines the law, or your commander. Things happen quickly and you don’t have time to debate now over human rights and judicial implications, and you’re also, at the end of the day, a nineteen-year-old kid who gets all excited about his weapon and thinks he’s chasing terrorists. And you’re still really into this thing of “I’m now protecting the homeland,” and self-sacrifice, and all the good things that you enlisted for, and they’re simply exploited in order to occupy a population who just isn’t interested in it.

Former IDF testimony from a few years back.
 
Such an eloquent man. He's what @Fearless would call an anti Semite or @Raoul would quickly label self-hating. Even though he doesn't sound like he hates anybody, least of all himself.

My self-hating comment was made in jest - as in "watch the pro-Israeli side call Chompsky a self hating jew" after hearing his comments.
 
Just check out Ilan Goldenblatt. Ex Israeli intelligence officer in in the IDF. He has written a good article about the recent violence.
 
June 2nd is a very important date. Looking likely that Lapid and Bennet could form a coalition government and finally oust that criminal Netinyahu from office. How that affects the conflict remains to be seen but surely anyone is better than the current bastard.
 
June 2nd is a very important date. Looking likely that Lapid and Bennet could form a coalition government and finally oust that criminal Netinyahu from office. How that affects the conflict remains to be seen but surely anyone is better than the current bastard.

Except that in this scenario, its Bennett who is likely to be the next PM, and he isn't really much of an improvement over Bibi.
 
Except that in this scenario, its Bennett who is likely to be the next PM, and he isn't really much an improvement over Bibi.
He'll be PM first. They will rotate I believe. Like I said it remains to be seen what the new coalition will do but I think it'd be hard to be as bad as Bibi has been.
 
Except that in this scenario, its Bennett who is likely to be the next PM, and he isn't really much of an improvement over Bibi.

I’m not sure that a shaky coalition of religious-right Zionists, Centrists, and leftists of various stripes, supported by Islamists, is a government that the PM is going to be able to put much of his own stamp on. Bennett might be worse on paper than Netanyahu (although he’s almost certainly more honest), but he’s going to have to pander so much it’ll be interesting to see what sacrifices he’s happy to make.
 
I’m not sure that a shaky coalition of religious-right Zionists, Centrists, and leftists of various stripes, supported by Islamists, is a government that the PM is going to be able to put much of his own stamp on. Bennett might be worse on paper than Netanyahu (although he’s almost certainly more honest), but he’s going to have to pander so much it’ll be interesting to see what sacrifices he’s happy to make.

Agreed. At least he will be part of a shaky coalition, which should help to keep him somewhat in check.
 
Agreed. At least he will be part of a shaky coalition, which should help to keep him somewhat in check.

I think the best hope is that it keeps Bibi out long enough to get convicted before it falls apart.
 
I think the best hope is that it keeps Bibi out long enough to get convicted before it falls apart.

It seems the general idea is to put to the back burner the question of the Palestinians so that the Arab parties can give them support outside of the government. This may give them time to convict Bibi and put him in jail.
Then go for an election after that.
 
It seems the general idea is to put to the back burner the question of the Palestinians so that the Arab parties can give them support outside of the government. This may give them time to convict Bibi and put him in jail.
Then go for an election after that.

It's more about putting the question of the Palestenians on the back burner so that a govenment that includes parties from the right, left and center can exist (even before you take into consideration the support from one of the Arab parties). Other issues which are in heavy dispute between those parties will also be put on the back burner.

I won't be certain that this government will be formed until it actually happens as it's all very shaky. As for Netanyahu being convicted, when you take into account an appeal process - we're still talking years here.

But Israel desperately needs a change, so let's start with that...
 
It's more about putting the question of the Palestenians on the back burner so that a govenment that includes parties from the right, left and center can exist (even before you take into consideration the support from one of the Arab parties). Other issues which are in heavy dispute between those parties will also be put on the back burner.

I won't be certain that this government will be formed until it actually happens as it's all very shaky. As for Netanyahu being convicted, when you take into account an appeal process - we're still talking years here.

But Israel desperately needs a change, so let's start with that...

What is your view on the PLA? All my Palestians friends do not like them. They want Abu Mazin and the rest of the old guys to disappear and let a younger generation who is not corrupt to take over. They know that they would not regain all the land from Israel.
 
What is your view on the PLA? All my Palestians friends do not like them. They want Abu Mazin and the rest of the old guys to disappear and let a younger generation who is not corrupt to take over. They know that they would not regain all the land from Israel.

Well, no one will be regaining any lands from Israel any time soon.

I can see why the Palestenians would want rid of the PLA leaders, who appear interested mostly in maintaining their positions and ability to line their pockets, and are relatively passive when it comes to Israel - especially when you compare it to Hamas. All they can guarentee is more of the same, but while I understand the urge to look for something new, you never know if it will improve things or end up being volatile as new people try to make their mark.

Realistically, a new leadership would have to focus on internal issues. With Israel not interested in any change for the time being and the international community being rather indifferent, I can't see much happening on the Israeli-Palestenian front.
 
Well, no one will be regaining any lands from Israel any time soon.

I can see why the Palestenians would want rid of the PLA leaders, who appear interested mostly in maintaining their positions and ability to line their pockets, and are relatively passive when it comes to Israel - especially when you compare it to Hamas. All they can guarentee is more of the same, but while I understand the urge to look for something new, you never know if it will improve things or end up being volatile as new people try to make their mark.

Realistically, a new leadership would have to focus on internal issues. With Israel not interested in any change for the time being and the international community being rather indifferent, I can't see much happening on the Israeli-Palestenian front.

That is the problem. They say that there is so much corruption and the PLA security colludes with the Israelis. Of course they don't like Hamas either. They think they are as bad and if not worse than the `PLA.
 
Israel set for an even more right wing government. God help us.

The proposed coalition would not be a move to the right. I’d hesitate to describe it as a move to the ‘left’, but it will likely include parties such as Labour and Meretz which are considered leftist in the context of Israeli politics and have been excluded from government for years. It will certainly exclude the two ultra-orthodox religious parties. Also it will be supported - most likely from the outside - by at least one of the Arab parties. The biggest party will be Yair Lapid’s centrist Yesh Atid, who will be joined in the centre by Benny Gantz’s Blue and White. Bennett, Lieberman and Gideon Sa’ar make up the leadership of the three explicitly right-wing parties involved.

It’s a bit of a mess with the only thing really uniting them being opposition to Netanyahu and perhaps a desire to ‘normalize’ the status of the ultra-orthodox in Israeli society.
 
Israel under Netanyahu have been guilty of a slow-motion ethnic cleansing. They've been able to get away with invading land, stealing homes and killing civilians because they've been stretching out their atrocities over years and decades.

I've previously posted in this thread that I thought Israel's current strategy was unsustainable in the long run. A more right-wing government could be the thing that finally tips the balance and hastens a resolution. Say what you want about Bibi, he knows how to hide his crimes in plain sight.

The world can ignore a few hundred Palestinians dying every year. But they wouldn't be able to do so if it became thousands.
 
Israel set for an even more right wing government. God help us.

You sound shocked. Or surprised at least. It's almost like you're not sure what's happening with that region and the outside support received.
 
Israel under Netanyahu have been guilty of a slow-motion ethnic cleansing. They've been able to get away with invading land, stealing homes and killing civilians because they've been stretching out their atrocities over years and decades.

I've previously posted in this thread that I thought Israel's current strategy was unsustainable in the long run. A more right-wing government could be the thing that finally tips the balance and hastens a resolution. Say what you want about Bibi, he knows how to hide his crimes in plain sight.

The world can ignore a few hundred Palestinians dying every year. But they wouldn't be able to do so if it became thousands.
This exactly, but I can't see anything fixing this though.
 
Israel under Netanyahu have been guilty of a slow-motion ethnic cleansing. They've been able to get away with invading land, stealing homes and killing civilians because they've been stretching out their atrocities over years and decades.

I've previously posted in this thread that I thought Israel's current strategy was unsustainable in the long run. A more right-wing government could be the thing that finally tips the balance and hastens a resolution. Say what you want about Bibi, he knows how to hide his crimes in plain sight.

The world can ignore a few hundred Palestinians dying every year. But they wouldn't be able to do so if it became thousands.
I don't see it happening (becoming thousands), but even if it happens, the world will ignore it. The world ignored Saudi Arabia causing the deaths of a quarter of million Yemenis in the last 5 years alone.
 
This murder was a year ago yesterday. It was 5 days after George Floyd was murdered in the US. The family are still chasing justice, but due to Israel being such a one sided, apartheid state, I doubt they'll get it.

Eyad had learning difficulties, and was considered disabled and was on his way to attending a special needs school before he was brutally murdered by an Israeli cop.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/world/middleeast/Iyad-al-Hallaq-autism-killing-manslaughter.html

Manslaughter Charge Urged for Israeli Officer in Killing of Autistic Palestinian
Palestinians assail the failure to recommend a murder charge in the case, which has become a cause célèbre in the fight against police brutality.

JERUSALEM — Israeli prosecutors recommended on Wednesday that a police officer who shot and killed an unarmed Palestinian man with autism be charged with manslaughter in a case that became a rallying cry against police brutality.

But the failure to seek a murder charge was met with outrage among Palestinians and Arab citizens of Israel.

Iyad al-Hallaq, 31, was shot along the Via Dolorosa during his morning walk to a school for adults with disabilities in Jerusalem’s Old City on May 30. His killing drew instant comparisons to that of George Floyd by police officers in Minneapolis five days earlier.

 
This murder was a year ago yesterday. It was 5 days after George Floyd was murdered in the US. The family are still chasing justice, but due to Israel being such a one sided, apartheid state, I doubt they'll get it.

Eyad had learning difficulties, and was considered disabled and was on his way to attending a special needs school before he was brutally murdered by an Israeli cop.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/world/middleeast/Iyad-al-Hallaq-autism-killing-manslaughter.html





Perhaps the Palestinian justice system could give the Israeli's a lesson...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/
 
What is your view on the PLA? All my Palestians friends do not like them. They want Abu Mazin and the rest of the old guys to disappear and let a younger generation who is not corrupt to take over. They know that they would not regain all the land from Israel.

"Regain all the land from Israel"

WTF is that supposed to even mean? - because this was the Official Palestinian stance in 1964. Seems they couldn't have given a toss about the 'occupied lands' you talk of.

PLO Charter 1964.

Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields.