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Yet not one injustice in Palestine have you called out, let alone the rest of the barbaric Middle East. And hiding behind accusations of whataboutery, paranoia and my fake salary doesn't change the fact that your agenda is as clear as day.
My involvement in this thread was precipitated due to the forced eviction of Palestinians from their homes in Sheikh Jarrah. Since then, Israel / IDF have caused massive destruction in Gaza, and are now mass arresting Palestinians, as well as displacing Palestinians from Silwan. It's a human rights issue in an apartheid state.

If you want my views and opinions on the 'barbaric Middle East' (generalisation?) feel free to ask me.

Rather than skirting around the issue, what do you think my agenda is? Anti-zionist? It's not exactly a secret!
 
Israel has a right to defend itself... by shooting 14 year old boys through the head whilst they are clothes shopping

 
Wouldn't indefinitely keeping it a Jewish state come in conflict with Democracy ?

No., bit I'm familiar with the arguments. IMO, they are mutually exclusive, and more about defining the culture, not the process.
I will never be forced to wear a fur hat in a million degrees centigrade.
 
Israel has a right to defend itself... by running over 12 year old boys for having a Palestinian flag on their bikes.

 
No., bit I'm familiar with the arguments. IMO, they are mutually exclusive, and more about defining the culture, not the process.
I will never be forced to wear a fur hat in a million degrees centigrade.

What specifically is the answer to the argument ? It would seem that allowing more non-Jews in would eventually make it a non-Jewish majority state.
 
What specifically is the answer to the argument ? It would seem that allowing more non-Jews in would eventually make it a non-Jewish majority state.

Good question, seeing as Israel was recreated as a refuge for the Jewish people in the first place, and perhaps we naively thought down the line that antisemitism would be a thing of that past by now, so Israel's character would (have to be) be less nationalistic in the benign sense. Food for thought though.
 
Yet not one injustice in Palestine have you called out, let alone the rest of the Middle East. And hiding behind accusations of whataboutery, paranoia and my fake salary doesn't change the fact that your agenda is as clear as day.
No one has denied that horrible things have happened on both sides, but one side has the vast amount of power and is using it to bully the other side.
 
No one has denied that horrible things have happened on both sides, but one side has the vast amount of power and is using it to bully the other side.

It's the same arguments used by Trumpists whenever discussing black lives (or deaths more appropriately). Fearless and his ilk would pipe up with "but what about the white person that was shot by a black guy last week?!?" "All lives matter!!!"

Honestly, the BLM has opened up people's eyes around the world and finally they can see what the Palestinians have been up against. It's no surprise that Palestinians have held an affinity with black Americans for many years way before BLM became a thing.
 
It's the same arguments used by Trumpists whenever discussing black lives (or deaths more appropriately). Fearless and his ilk would pipe up with "but what about the white person that was shot by a black guy last week?!?" "All lives matter!!!"

Honestly, the BLM has opened up people's eyes around the world and finally they can see what the Palestinians have been up against. It's no surprise that Palestinians have held an affinity with black Americans for many years way before BLM became a thing.

Except this black American.

 
So a hypothetical piece now replaces what MLK actually said. Wow.
It's hardly a stretch to think a civil right activist who's life was built around fighting racism would think it wouldn't be ok elsewhere.
 
MLK was a Zionist. But by your measure he's therefore a racist.

You can't have this both ways.

Israel was viewed in a different light back in 1967 to how it is now. Bear in mind, WW2 was just over 20 years old at this point.

The article does a great job of highlighting his views on apartheid in South Africa, fascism etc and how it's Israel perpetrating these crimes.

Surely, Martin Luther King Jr would have been on the side of Angela Davis, Marc Lamont Hill, Cornel West, the Movement for Black Lives, and many other black activists, as well as pro-Palestinian activists of all races. In pursuing Palestinian rights, these activists and intellectuals are carrying on the work that was so brutally ended with King’s death.

I mean, here's what he said a year before he died:
If this sounds familiar, it is because on April 27, 1967, King traveled to Minnesota and delivered his last speech in the state at an antiwar rally at the University of Minnesota’s St Paul campus: “I’m not only going to be concerned about justice for Negroes in the United States because I know that justice is indivisible, and injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. I’m concerned about justice for everybody the world over.”

Like I said, if he was alive today, he'd be on the right side of history.

Furthermore, if we're going down the track of how prominent black civil right activists would view Zionism - shall we mention Malcolm X?
 
Israel was viewed in a different light back in 1967 to how it is now. Bear in mind, WW2 was just over 20 years old at this point.

The article does a great job of highlighting his views on apartheid in South Africa, fascism etc and how it's Israel perpetrating these crimes.



I mean, here's what he said a year before he died:


Like I said, if he was alive today, he'd be on the right side of history.

Furthermore, if we're going down the track of how prominent black civil right activists would view Zionism - shall we mention Malcolm X?

MLK was a Zionist, no matter the political nuances he'd navigate in 67. Way past 1948 and the 'Nakba' - remember the ultimate Zionist crime in your book.

Oh...is my mention of the Nakba whataboutery?
 
Except this black American.



Nice distraction again. Why bring up MLK? To you what matters most is All Lives Matter, and more importantly Blue Lives Matter. That is what you are reduced to, Karen.

BLM has finally broken through the internet bull people have been hiding behind. Mainly your internet bull.
 
@Fearless do you want Palestinians out of Israel? And where should they go, Jordan and Egypt?

They're not in Israel. And I welcome that fact that 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs, alongside, Bedouins, Druze etc.
Egypt and Jordan (which is actually 80% of Palestine) certainly should help solve the crisis they actually started.
 
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Nice distraction again. Why bring up MLK? To you what matters most is All Lives Matter, and more importantly Blue Lives Matter. That is what you are reduced to, Karen.

BLM has finally broken through the internet bull people have been hiding behind. Mainly your internet bull.

Karens Lives Matters. Happy now?
 
This thread has become a joke.

I've asked before (rethorically) but I'll ask the mods again, this time seriously. Can I go into other threads and start acting like Fearless does here?
 


They really are pathetic.

they will probably get it though as the billion dollars in aid from the US to Israel will then be spent by Israel with US arms manufacturers on missiles and bombs so effectivley the USA is giving a billion dollar subsidy to the weapons manufacturers, boosting exports and jobs and not having to say its state aid
 


Great video - BLM members, Jews, Muslims all standing side by side for justice.
 
Netanyahu losing his position because of an…Israeli Arab political party. Couldn’t make this up.

direct consequence of the war?
 
Netanyahu losing his position because of an…Israeli Arab political party. Couldn’t make this up.

direct consequence of the war?

It was lined up before the events of the last month.
 
Isaac Herzog is the new President - his grandfather was chief Rabbi of Ireland in the interwar years and his father was born in Ireland.
 
Netanyahu losing his position because of an…Israeli Arab political party. Couldn’t make this up.

direct consequence of the war?
If anything the war was netanyahu's last roll of the dice to try and prevent it

That said I wouldn't be surprised to see the coalition collapse before Netanyahu is convicted and to see him stand (and even win) in the next elections
 
The big surprise seems to be Ra’am actually joining the coalition rather than just supporting a minority government from the outside:

History made as Arab Israeli Ra’am party joins Bennett-Lapid coalition
The first Arab party to join a government in decades, Islamists make good on promise to seek change from inside, winning billions in promised state funding for community

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-...s-history-by-joining-bennett-lapid-coalition/