If you want Israel to be dismantled as a Jewish State at least have the balls to admit it.
Wouldn't indefinitely keeping it a Jewish state come into conflict with Democracy ?
If you want Israel to be dismantled as a Jewish State at least have the balls to admit it.
My involvement in this thread was precipitated due to the forced eviction of Palestinians from their homes in Sheikh Jarrah. Since then, Israel / IDF have caused massive destruction in Gaza, and are now mass arresting Palestinians, as well as displacing Palestinians from Silwan. It's a human rights issue in an apartheid state.Yet not one injustice in Palestine have you called out, let alone the rest of the barbaric Middle East. And hiding behind accusations of whataboutery, paranoia and my fake salary doesn't change the fact that your agenda is as clear as day.
Wouldn't indefinitely keeping it a Jewish state come in conflict with Democracy ?
No., bit I'm familiar with the arguments. IMO, they are mutually exclusive, and more about defining the culture, not the process.
I will never be forced to wear a fur hat in a million degrees centigrade.
What specifically is the answer to the argument ? It would seem that allowing more non-Jews in would eventually make it a non-Jewish majority state.
No one has denied that horrible things have happened on both sides, but one side has the vast amount of power and is using it to bully the other side.Yet not one injustice in Palestine have you called out, let alone the rest of the Middle East. And hiding behind accusations of whataboutery, paranoia and my fake salary doesn't change the fact that your agenda is as clear as day.
No one has denied that horrible things have happened on both sides, but one side has the vast amount of power and is using it to bully the other side.
It's the same arguments used by Trumpists whenever discussing black lives (or deaths more appropriately). Fearless and his ilk would pipe up with "but what about the white person that was shot by a black guy last week?!?" "All lives matter!!!"
Honestly, the BLM has opened up people's eyes around the world and finally they can see what the Palestinians have been up against. It's no surprise that Palestinians have held an affinity with black Americans for many years way before BLM became a thing.
Except this black American.
This 'black American's' views were a lot more nuanced than you made out (surprise, surprise).
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/02/martin-luther-king-israel-palestine-occupation
There's also a Michelle Alexander article which I'm unable to read / link as it's behind a paywall.
It's hardly a stretch to think a civil right activist who's life was built around fighting racism would think it wouldn't be ok elsewhere.So a hypothetical piece now replaces what MLK actually said. Wow.
It's hardly a stretch to think a civil right activist who's life was built around fighting racism would think it would be ok elsewhere.
MLK was a Zionist. But by your measure he's therefore a racist.
You can't have this both ways.
Surely, Martin Luther King Jr would have been on the side of Angela Davis, Marc Lamont Hill, Cornel West, the Movement for Black Lives, and many other black activists, as well as pro-Palestinian activists of all races. In pursuing Palestinian rights, these activists and intellectuals are carrying on the work that was so brutally ended with King’s death.
If this sounds familiar, it is because on April 27, 1967, King traveled to Minnesota and delivered his last speech in the state at an antiwar rally at the University of Minnesota’s St Paul campus: “I’m not only going to be concerned about justice for Negroes in the United States because I know that justice is indivisible, and injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. I’m concerned about justice for everybody the world over.”
That's a really interesting article - thanks.A recent enough article on MLK and Israel (including the “anti-Zionism = anti-semitism” quote) - https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/martinkramer/files/words_of_martin_luther_king.pdf
Israel was viewed in a different light back in 1967 to how it is now. Bear in mind, WW2 was just over 20 years old at this point.
The article does a great job of highlighting his views on apartheid in South Africa, fascism etc and how it's Israel perpetrating these crimes.
I mean, here's what he said a year before he died:
Like I said, if he was alive today, he'd be on the right side of history.
Furthermore, if we're going down the track of how prominent black civil right activists would view Zionism - shall we mention Malcolm X?
Except this black American.
MLK was a Zionist, no matter the political nuances he'd navigate in 67. Way past 1948 and the 'Nakba' - remember the ultimate Zionist crime in your book.
Oh...is my mention of the Nakba whataboutery?
A recent enough article on MLK and Israel (including the “anti-Zionism = anti-semitism” quote) - https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/martinkramer/files/words_of_martin_luther_king.pdf
@Fearless do you want Palestinians out of Israel? And where should they go, Jordan and Egypt?
Have you read this @Fearless?
So what are your thoughts?Yes.
Nice distraction again. Why bring up MLK? To you what matters most is All Lives Matter, and more importantly Blue Lives Matter. That is what you are reduced to, Karen.
BLM has finally broken through the internet bull people have been hiding behind. Mainly your internet bull.
No. You’ll be banned.This thread has become a joke.
I've asked before (rethorically) but I'll ask the mods again, this time seriously. Can I go into other threads and start acting like Fearless does here?
Ironic considering you have a tin pot dictator unleashing death on your neighbours children.The truth hurts. 'Free' Palestine?
Hardly. But good luck advocating for another tin-pot state.
Ironic considering you have a tin pot dictator unleashing death on your neighbours children.
They really are pathetic.
Netanyahu losing his position because of an…Israeli Arab political party. Couldn’t make this up.
direct consequence of the war?
If anything the war was netanyahu's last roll of the dice to try and prevent itNetanyahu losing his position because of an…Israeli Arab political party. Couldn’t make this up.
direct consequence of the war?