I'm not bitter. I just exaggerated a bit on a real issue with him.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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I'm not bitter. I just exaggerated a bit on a real issue with him.
Glad you can acknowledge that, but it did come across as bitter. The reason premier league clubs pay so much is because they HAVE so much. Criticise the direction the league is going all you want, but it is entirely a product of its own success. Clubs overpay in England (generally speaking), but it's all relative.
The superiority complex of the one-team sub-par BL league strikes again.
Do you know if your league has moved their Tv-times yet to make sure that you atleast get twenty viewers outside of Germany watching your matches? I know that putting on matches at the same time that PL matches are aired really hasn't worked out for you guys.
I would recommend that you move your match times, you might get atleast 40 new viewers from Austria then.
Of course. It is a simple supply & demand thing. If the supply remains constant, while the demand side is strenghtened, the prices go up inevitably. There is also no bitterness at all. It is a chance for other leagues to participate in that wealth.
Aw, come on. He is obviously playing into the stereotype to have some friendly banter.
Aw, come on. He is obviously playing into the stereotype to have some friendly banter.
I don't buy into it fellow Noggie, we have had a severe influx of bitterness from the BL here lately. This is just another one.
Subotic's agent saying he is looking for a team as well. So many of their players are leaving this summer.
Make your mind up.
Subotic leaving was expected though, wasn't it? I don't think he's in their plans.
We have, but I haven't got the same feeling as you. Yet at least. ^^
It actually worked out pretty well. We generated at least 10 new viewer subscriptions from Liechtenstein and Luxemberg, too. Them bloody tax evaders netted us a contract, that'll generate us approx. 1.5 billion a year from 2017. That brings us pretty much back to the old revenue gap. And that we just close by syphoning money with insanely overpriced players from you guys
It actually worked out pretty well. We generated at least 10 new viewer subscriptions from Liechtenstein and Luxemberg, too. Them bloody tax evaders netted us a contract, that'll generate us approx. 1.5 billion a year from 2017. That brings us pretty much back to the old revenue gap. And that we just close by syphoning money with insanely overpriced players from you guys
Oh well, it is okay that you guys are better than us, better run and are better in the CL, but dont ever try to take our revenue from us. We sell more in noodles and shampoo in Eastern-Africa then you guys can ever bring in
#profits4thewin
You have quoted me in the wrong order, and left another post in between out. Puzzle that together, and you get picture
The picture of you posting exaggerated nonsense is clear from what I quoted.You have quoted me in the wrong order, and left another post in between out. Puzzle that together, and you get picture
Thought this was a risky transfer at €25m but at €40m euros even more-so, although because of who we are we'd always have to pay a premium.
His mentality reminds me of Nani in that when all is going well and he is in the right mind-set and in good form he's an exceptional player. However the proportion of time that these stars align is nowhere near enough to make him classed as a top player.
Yes he could make the step up and gain consistency, but in a new League and with greater expectations the likelihood is that he'll go through a rough patch, at which point it's questionable as to whether he'd recover. My view is that after the 11/12 season I'd have paid £30m for Nani in a heartbeat. However it would have looked like a bizarre and awful buy with the gift of hindsight. I fear the exact same will be the case with Mkhitaryan.
Not only do we have the "par" transfer risk of a player changing country and playing in a new (and in my view far more competitive) League; but we have the added risk of the player himself having shown a weak mentality throughout his career, joining a club with much higher expectations. My view is this transfer has a huge chance of going down as an awful piece of business, particularly for €40m. Although admittedly the upside would be having a top class player at a bargain price.
Personally I don't think we are in the best position to gamble in this position, we did that last season with Depay and it cost us 4th.
His mentality reminds me of Nani in that when all is going well and he is in the right mind-set and in good form he's an exceptional player. However the proportion of time that these stars align is nowhere near enough to make him classed as a top player.
Yes he could make the step up and gain consistency, but in a new League and with greater expectations the likelihood is that he'll go through a rough patch, at which point it's questionable as to whether he'd recover. My view is that after the 11/12 season I'd have paid £30m for Nani in a heartbeat. However it would have looked like a bizarre and awful buy with the gift of hindsight. I fear the exact same will be the case with Mkhitaryan.
Not only do we have the "par" transfer risk of a player changing country and playing in a new (and in my view far more competitive) League; but we have the added risk of the player himself having shown a weak mentality throughout his career, joining a club with much higher expectations. My view is this transfer has a huge chance of going down as an awful piece of business, particularly for €40m. Although admittedly the upside would be having a top class player at a bargain price.
Personally I don't think we are in the best position to gamble in this position, we did that last season with Depay and it cost us 4th.
The jury about this being total nonsense still stands out. As I've said, he's a very capable, but also very sensitive player. I have some legit doubt about him flourishing in a Mourinho wolf den.
The bloke had two bang average to flatout disappointing first two years under Klopp, and nobody in Dortmund did think about him taking off before the start of the last season. It was Tuchels biggest miracle work.
If they can get 40 milllion for him now, it'll be very good business for them. Could be good business for Utd, too. But it's a gamble for sure.
He did, he has been changing his tune every 3rd day when he is bored of winding up united fans by his snide comments.
So basically calling him overpriced dross is erm exaggerated nonsense then....
Is his best position on the right wing or through the middle in behind the striker? I was under the impression he played through the middle but a lot of his clips show him on the wing.
Ive read he had a good first season and bad second (which was the season where Dortmund found themselves in bottom place at December, so the whole team was poor)
He had a long injury and ever since he came back he didn't seem the same. Last season under Tuchel he was barely a factor, especially since Bender moved into the CB position and did quite well there. I guess for next season they plan with 4 CB and that are most likely going to be Sokratis, Bender, Bartra and Ginter who can provide cover as a right FB.
"Overpriced dross" is how you described him initially. That's what I took an exception to as it's clearly exaggerated nonsense.
The mostly sensible opinion you're posting now is what you should have done in the first place.
Just a couple of posts above yours
Something in between. He's more an AM than a real winger, but works pretty well on the right wing assuming you have a good RB who can provide something going forward.
Last season he played mainly on the right and on the left wing and only a couple of games through the center, where Kagawa was usually playing.
I've just seen him in Waitrose, he said he might come as long we re-sign Cleverly as he would like to 'play around some class lads' - so lets bring Tom home and we can have this Armenian God on our wings.
I did that before already, You even quoted that, and asked me to "make up my mind"
And again, at 40 million, he might end up as overpriced dross for you...
I actually can't believe people are complaining about this, it's baffling. We are signing one of the best right wingers in the world, a tall, hard-workin lad who is absolutely rapid, two footed and has ridiculous stats to his name, yet people are still complaining. All for the price of Troy Deeney.
Not to mention it's finally addressing a position that has been troubling us for 3 years now. To make things even more ridiculous, Adnan Januzaj is being brought into the argument against signing him. Unbelievable. I literally couldn't think of a more perfect signing for Mourinho's right hand side.
Not to mention it's finally addressing a position that has been troubling us for 3 years now. To make things even more ridiculous, Adnan Januzaj is being brought into the argument against signing him. Unbelievable. I literally couldn't think of a more perfect signing for Mourinho's right hand side.
Probably why they're about £500m in debt.
haha yeah man probably, but they know they will live forever so its no drama! I care about the football and not how much is laid on a table to sign someone, i honestly couldn't care! Sign him up Jose, give them 50m if it makes it easier!
Im with this guy!
Mahrez is 2 years younger and Prem proven. Payet I don't think we should be interested. He's a bit like Vardy and there are better options out there.
I asked you to make your mind up because of the 2 posts you made. Do I really need to spell it put or are you just arguing for the sake of it? You made a stupid opening post, admit it, move on. There's no shame in it.
Oh and yes, he might fail, hardly a ground breaking prediction that. Doubt anyone here thinks he's nailed on to shine for us seeing as it's Mkhitaryan and not Messi we are signing.
Is he though? One really good season doesn't convince me. Could be a one-off. Especially given just about every player in that Leicester side completely over-performed last season.
Mickey Targaryen has been consistently good for 4-5 seasons now. He's a safer bet, in my eyes.
I wonder, free transfers aside, whether we'll actually sign anyone for less than 30m pounds this window.
No he hasnt. The year before he moved to Dortmund in the Ukrainian league he had 29 goals. The year before that - very ordinary again. After that he was very very sub par in the first two seasons at Dortmund and he flourised last season. So he has hardly been "consistently good".
His finishing was disappointing but I thought he was very good in his first Dortmund season.
Well he was the best player in the Premiership this year and going into his peak. He was Leicester best player along with Kante and Vardy and one of the reasons behind their upward trajectory. He was class in the last games the season before when they saved themselves from relegation.
Targaryen was dross the season before, average in his first season at the start at the campaign then was good but not that special and had a great season last year. The one problem he has is surely consistency. To me he's a bit like Nani/Kagawa signing.
He's more #10 or a SS in my eyes rather than stretching the play. Our formation will be different from what Dortmund usually play and where he excelled. Mahrez is the safer bet - can stretch the play, better finisher, much better dribbler and equally fast.
He was erratic and inconsistent in the first half of the season at Dortmund. Was a bit of a purple patch player - when the team was playing well he was playing well too. When the shit hit the fan in November and December he was invisible with crap finishing.
He was on a 5 months goal drought or something in the middle of the season. In the tough games I wouldn't call him very good (and those are the games from memory I've seen from his first season).
Watching him in his first and second season was like watching Cavani, always seemed higly rated and every time dross.
He was excellent this season of course, but consistency is not something I'd praise him for.
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While i am not against this move and we do need to strengthen our creative options especially on the sides, still he is only a year younger than Mata, who we'll discard (it's not like i am against that either) and even with 1 year left, he might cost 30m.
While Mane who has two seasons in PL is like 3 years younger and with his speed looks like a more appropriate option for us. He is cheaper in terms of fee, with 20-25m deal possible and i am 100% sure he will be like 1,5-2 times cheaper in salary. So i seriously doubt that Micha is our best option and we should break bank and be involved in transfer saga with him. It's also sort of alarming we buy players in bulks from the same agent, never ends well that.
While Mane who has two seasons in PL is like 3 years younger and with his speed looks like a more appropriate option for us. He is cheaper in terms of fee, with 20-25m deal possible and i am 100% sure he will be like 1,5-2 times cheaper in salary. So i seriously doubt that Micha is our best option and we should break bank and be involved in transfer saga with him. It's also sort of alarming we buy players in bulks from the same agent, never ends well that.
I think he was very good in his first season, and yeah, poor in his second but so were Dortmund in general. So 3 out of the last 4 years, that's pretty damn good, especially as he's now entering his peak. IMO he was also better than Mahrez last season.
I guess that's where we differ because I don't see Mahrez as the safer signing. I feel like he had an exceptional season last season out of almost nowhere and we've no idea yet if he'll be able to replicate it again.
Thing is, I posted that already before you came in to quote me....
Obviously we are perceiving things here a bit differently about the nailed on to shine part. And I'm pretty sure my reading comprehension is not that bad. The Messi exaggeration doesn't help you to make your point any more valid, either.
Exactly this. Those of you who complain please come up with better realistic options.
So far Mourinho has been spot on regarding addressing our weak spots. Bailly, Zlatan and Mhkitaryan fits the bill perfectly. Can we add Kanté and one of Mahrez/Mané then we are talking serious business.
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