Yeah I don’t understand how people don’t think that’s a penalty. He made zero attempt to get the ball and just bulldozed him over. We would be screaming for a penalty
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So does that fact absolve Harry Maguire for being nowhere near good enough for Man United - on current form?
Maguire should be taken out of the firing line for his own sake. Fans have largely turned against him and there is no telling how he’s handling this privately. Just give him a holiday or something and let Lindelof play for a couple of weeks and then re-evaluate. This persistence with playing him is not doing anyone any favours.
Just a selection of quotes from this very forum proving my point that HM was very good and quite popular just last season. Plenty echoing the worth every penny remark. This is why I believe he will come good again.
So what happened? I guess he could have lack focus after his Greek adventure. Maybe it’s because England rushed him back from injury in the Euros, and Utd subsequently did the same this season. Maybe it’s because he’s played almost every game in the 2/3 years he’s been here and is jaded. Nah you’re probably right lads, he’s shite. (From the same Caf experts who bought you Brandon Williams is better than Luke Shaw, Tuanzebe is the future and play Fred at leftback)
Another gripe I had from yesterday is the Che Adams chance were he falls over and doesn’t convert, you can quite clearly see Maguire was in a wrestling match with the other attacker and not switched on to the danger in behind him at all.
Just a selection of quotes from this very forum proving my point that HM was very good and quite popular just last season. Plenty echoing the worth every penny remark. This is why I believe he will come good again.
So what happened? I guess he could have lack focus after his Greek adventure. Maybe it’s because England rushed him back from injury in the Euros, and Utd subsequently did the same this season. Maybe it’s because he’s played almost every game in the 2/3 years he’s been here and is jaded. Nah you’re probably right lads, he’s shite. (From the same Caf experts who bought you Brandon Williams is better than Luke Shaw, Tuanzebe is the future and play Fred at leftback)
You picked quotes from his debut game??? Jesus that's a long way back.
It isn’t a penalty hence why it wasn‘t a penalty. Football isn’t a non-contact sport and shoulder to shoulder force is allowed. The Soton player is going to fall over at any contact and the force was minimal. The refs job is not to be conned by it. The stamp was deemed as unintentional as it was part of his normal running path. It would’ve hurt but these things happen in contact sports.
It’s a selection from the whole performance thread last season.
Not many quotes is it? Plus after spending £80m fans would rightfully want to believe every little thing he does is magic, but after a while that notion will wear off.Just a selection of quotes from this very forum proving my point that HM was very good and quite popular just last season. Plenty echoing the worth every penny remark. This is why I believe he will come good again.
So what happened? I guess he could have lack focus after his Greek adventure. Maybe it’s because England rushed him back from injury in the Euros, and Utd subsequently did the same this season. Maybe it’s because he’s played almost every game in the 2/3 years he’s been here and is jaded. Nah you’re probably right lads, he’s shite. (From the same Caf experts who bought you Brandon Williams is better than Luke Shaw, Tuanzebe is the future and play Fred at leftback)
There was, of course, big excitement from everyone when he signed for £80 million. But since then things have changed drastically.
And when did I say any of this?
Just Varane is hardly being talked about in 2 games where he has made the same mistake twice
You’re the one bringing Varane into Maguire thread. I don’t see how its relevant.
I know it’s a contact sport but that was excessive contact.
So you think because it wasn’t given that it was definitely the right call. By extension you must think that referees get every call spot on.
And then follows it up by standing on him...
I just can't stop laughing at his comical defending. I hope we give him a rest for the rest of the season. Time for Bailly and Lindelöf to geta run.
He’s that clumsy that I can see him doing it without meaning to.
If you think that’s excessive contact then I don’t know what to say. Against Burnley Rashford was shouldered off the ball in the penalty area with 10x greater force and we didn’t get a pen. The only question is if the stamp was intentional. It was deemed to be an accident so not a penalty.
Him and Shaw should not be starting for us this season. Absolute disaster both of them.
He was our best CB last season. By a distance. When he got injured in the Villa game it was a disaster and he was badly missed.
Maybe he came back from injury too soon but he was great at the Euros as well. But this season, what is going on? He's been so poor, so often. He has flaws but he's lot better than he's showing.
A two or three week break out of the firing line might be a good idea, although we aren't exactly stacked with great options.
Maybe he came back from injury too soon but he was great at the Euros as well. But this season, what is going on? He's been so poor, so often. He has flaws but he's lot better than he's showing.
A two or three week break out of the firing line might be a good idea, although we aren't exactly stacked with great options.
He is what he is and I think he’s a good player in a good team.
It wasn't, he thought they were their respective teams' captains.
He’s having an atrocious season but the ‘sell at any cost’ brigade are nonsensical. He’s a decent centre back who can easily be our second or third choice going forward. The lads played about 3 years straight of football and been rushed back from injury.
I feel bad for him tbh. He's probably a sound guy, clearly has thin skin so likely isn't taking the criticism well mentally. He's just really shite and should move himself on.
One of Maguires biggest faults is that he is terrible positionally. So many issues come from him not being close enough to his partner, going in to spaces he’s not needed and just creating an absoulute mess for the rest of the team.
The issue is made worse by his terribly slow feet and lack or recovery pace.
Of course it was a penalty. He barged him over then stood on him. What is this the UFC if it isnt a pen
People were generally happy when we bought him and some of these issues that people are pointing out, were always his negative points of his game. Sadly what we are now seeing is basically everyone’s downside of their game collectively par a few players. Footballers games rarely happen in a vacuum and conversely DDG is showing his qualities because defensively we are so poor.
Look I’m going to say this, quotes brought up from his debut season are pointless. Maguire was solid and arguably our best defender for his early United life. But since Greekgate he’s fallen off a cliff and he’s not a player to thrive without confidence. All his faults are now bare to see without a confident maguire doing the bits he’s good at. He’s a walking liability this season.
That’s kind of my point. HM could easily find form and go on a excellent run and everybody would be singing his praises again. Dalot was finished, now he’s suddenly our best RB. AWB was a no brainier signing - now he’s trash mid table fodder etc. It’s ridiculous how variable opinion is - it’s never nuanced or reasoned. Just he the best ever or he’s shite. Gets tiresome to read.
There’s no doubt Harry has made a lot of mistakes on the pitch, he’s not in form right now and his monotone captains speeches pep talks for the fans on social are nauseating, but he isn’t a bad player. He doesn’t need selling, he just needs better managing - like a lot of our squad. The answer is rarely go an blow £XXm on a shiny new toy.
I did not think he was that bad yesterday. He was not good but there were worse players than him on the pitch. We conceded because of Rashford. And it was not the first time Rashford did it. He did it when he was playing on the right too.
Nah... He can find form and get into a purple patch I'm sure. But at most he'd be decent at best because we now know his ceiling more or less. When he first signed, people were comparing to VVD and maybe even Vidic. That level of performance and consistency is simply not going to happen.
How can you evaluate someone’s work if you don’t have any expectations at all? It’s impossible. And if we buy the most expensive defender in the world, he comes with certain expectations. Its not his fault, but that’s just how it is. Just like I expect more from my £2000 bike than from my £100 bike. And the money is exactly why he always makes it to the starting xi, no matter how poor he was in the game before.
He was one of my favourite players last season but now I am so fed up with him. And the reason I am fed up with him is not only because he’s so bad atm. It is because he starts every game. I think this is one reason why people are not backing him. It must be so frustrating for the other players as well.
He had a good stretch of games last season but other than that, and for that kind of money, yes it is a flop.
He is our huge problem now and will be next season. Price tag and captain role puts pressure on manager to play him at all cost. His problem is not just bad form. His problem is that playing in high line highlights his major weakness; he is too slow.
On top of that there is a problem with selling him because we don't know how to sell players and i doubt that we would be even interested to sell him.
I called it when we signed him. That transfer was major disaster
On top of that there is a problem with selling him because we don't know how to sell players and i doubt that we would be even interested to sell him.
I called it when we signed him. That transfer was major disaster
We sold Lukaku, Di Maria and also removed Sanchez from the books. Finding him a suitable buyer is not nearly as big an issue as it is being made out.
Unless Lindelof’s head still isn’t right after the burglary then there’s absolutely no reason to be persisting with Maguire, he’s literally costing us points every game.
I wonder, is there something in his contract or a contract United signed with a sponsor that means he has to play
We sold them because they wanted to go. We sell players only when they want to go. We are not proactive like other top clubs are. We will not sell player who can be in any way "useful".
Those won't exist in reality I wouldn't have thought and certainly not for a player like Maguire. There might, however, be a certain amount of pressure from the club establishment given the level of transfer fee involved.
He got Ole Sacked and will cost Ralf a coaching position too if he keeps playing him. Ralf felt Maquire was good against West Ham but that was a deep defensive team...different from playing a team plying on the front foot.
I laughed out loud, when I saw this during the game. That little spastic backwards kick is something I might have tried in a Sunday league game.
There were probably 3-4 times during the game where he pushed up hard and got left for dead. Watching him 'accelerate' during his return runs is absolutely painful.
Maguire has become a true test of our management, both in terms of setting the team and the transfer market. Someone needs to make the tough decision and bench him (and potentially strip him of the captaincy), or sell him - preferably the latter. The easy thing to do will be to let him keep starting and hope he improves, but he won't. It's an absolute circus every fecking Sunday with him. There are just so many basics he is not getting right, and won't get right.
He needs a move to italy, deep defensive blocks wont show up his weaknesses as much. Still baffling that Ole chose him over other choices for CB cause he was british. Madness.
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