[kouroux]

Managing a national team has little to with clubs. Deschamps does this, he will trust a core of trusted players and he will play them regardless of club form and so do many managers of other national teams.
I'd understand the issue if Maguire was a bench warmer at Utd and still started at Utd

 

[Aresma7]

England concede a lot of goals then, do they ?

When you have good attacking players, the game usually occur on the opposition side, which causes less to do for the defence.

 

[romufc]

I don’t think any player thinks oh maguire and stones is our best pairing. That’s what you think and fair enough.

England is a good team based on their broad list of attacking players. Not the defense.

In the Euros, When Stones and Maguire started, England conceded 0 goals from open play.

So how is that the defence isnt good?

 

[diarm]

Maguire has played 14 England games since October 2020, with 12 wins, no defeats, 10 clean sheets and also six (yes really: six) England goals. Really? You want to drop this guy?

Those numbers are incredible.

I doubt there is an international defender on the planet with the same stats in that period of time.

 

[Red4Ever]

That's how it came across when you said "elite players ignore it."

not sure about that but regardless, he should use it spur himself on. I hope for our sake he improves

 

[PoTMS]

So the current England manager (our most successful since Sir Alf, lest we forget) and both of the last two United managers are complete clowns but LUHGMike off Twitter and the footballing superbrains of the likes of Paul Merson (sacked by Walsall) and Paul Scholes (generally lasts about three games per club) are telling the real truths....?

Sure.

Wow. I don't know where to start. Talk about reaching.

 

[Marwood]

When you have good attacking players, the game usually occur on the opposition side, which causes less to do for the defence.

But that's not this England team is it. For all the attacking talents we have we're not actually that good at attacking.

We are instead very solid. Very hard to beat. Which Maguire at CB is obviously a big part of.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Maguire in England NT cannot be compared with Maguire at the club. England NT is basically a defensive team that is playing for the 1-0 wins. Southgate did not use magic or come up with a unique methodology or anything. He made it a defense first team. Everyone has a solid defensive role to play. And that works very well for the defenders. In fact, England are wasting a generation of attacking talent by continuing with Southgate football. But that is a different discussion.

Such football will not be acceptable at United. Fans would riot. Jose got us to 2nd by employing this kind of defensive football. Maguire cannot have all that extra defensive coverage at United.

 

[DannyCAFC]

Maguire in England NT cannot be compared with Maguire at the club. England NT is basically a defensive team that is playing for the 1-0 wins. Southgate did not use magic or come up with a unique methodology or anything. He made it a defense first team. Everyone has a solid defensive role to play. And that works very well for the defenders. In fact, England are wasting a generation of attacking talent by continuing with Southgate football. But that is a different discussion.

Such football will not be acceptable at United. Fans would riot. Jose got us to 2nd by employing this kind of defensive football. Maguire cannot have all that extra defensive coverage at United.

This is not how international football works fella. You don't just pick a bunch of players that play for different clubs, that train together for a few weeks a year and expect the same free-flowing, fast-paced instinctive attacking football you get at club level.

 

[tenpoless]

We heard it from Pogba and Shaw too. Right now I think playing for NT is like a refreshment for some players. So its no wonder if they perform better with NT. In the case of Maguire I dont think its because 3 at the back, the system, or Southgate effect. It is simply because when he plays for England he is more confident.

I hope next season with a new manager coming in, the spirit will be lifted up. Because right now it doesnt matter who comes in or out, the season had already been ruined. It is very demotivating even for the fans let alone players. If next season he is still shit then I dont see any reason to keep him if theres a potential buyer.

 

[MattofManchester]

Fact of the matter is he just doesn't suit a team that likes to play high and press from the front. It seems to do his head in.

The England setup suits him, the setup by Solskjaer last season suited him, before it seems he succumbed to trying to make us a more possession dominant team.

In a team that sits deep, he's very effective. Still has a mistake in him but much more consistent. In the opposite direction, he looks lost and out of place.

It is what it is.

 

[sewey89]

He was really good tonight. And the fact that this thread hasn’t been bumped already shows that. Hes not been as bad as people have made out for about a month now, but today was his best game for a long while

 

[Based Adnan]

Very lucky for the disallowed goal. Committed himself to the floor for absolutely nothing.

 

[GifLord]

He was really good tonight. And the fact that this thread hasn’t been bumped already shows that. Hes not been as bad as people have made out for about a month now, but today was his best game for a long while

Leicester were barely threatening
and he still did this

 

[Red_toad]

Decent performance, bit ponderous at times, but best out of the duo at the back.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Very lucky for the disallowed goal. Committed himself to the floor for absolutely nothing.

This./

 

[Roboc7]

Not great but better than he has been, arguably one of the better performers today but it’s such a low bar so that’s not saying much.

 

[TheReligion]

Faultless. Glad the match going fans gave him such a great reception.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Had a decent game. Above average performance by his standards, average performance by United standards.

 

[sewey89]

Leicester were barely threatening
and he still did this

Because the defence did their job, maybe?

Missed a tackle where he was blocked by a fouled teammate? Christ. I’ve never known a player be examined every second as much as he is.

He played well.

 

[Stadjer]

Not bad but nothing special that stood out as a good performance either. Just a normal 6/10 performance. He was the best of the back four though.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

He was really good tonight. And the fact that this thread hasn’t been bumped already shows that. Hes not been as bad as people have made out for about a month now, but today was his best game for a long while

Agreed he was fairly decent at the back today. But I am starting to have another issue with him now and it's that how quiet he has been as a captain. Fecking hell, Roy Keane would never allowed player half arsedly go into challenges like today, would be all over anyone.

I understand he's lacking a bit of confidence all things considered this season but c'mon maybe you shouldn't be the captain we need. We need someone who hates losing, someone who will fecking hate to concede possession every single time, will demand perfection for the attacking play and pressing.

Sadly we don't have anyone and even though Harry is not a bad player, next manager will need to have a big call imho. This can't continue like this. Unless the new manager finds other way to motivate all the players to play at high level and intensity.

 

[GifLord]

Because the defence did their job, maybe?

Missed a tackle where he was blocked by a fouled teammate? Christ. I’ve never known a player be examined every second as much as he is.

He played well.

Just wait for a team that goes at us and presses us and don't go missing when he fecks up. Maguire under pressure is a ticking time bomb

 

[Stadjer]

Had a decent game. Above average performance by his standards, average performance by United standards.

seems like the perfect description

 

[TheReligion]

Glad the true fans get behind their players

 

[Jackal981]

This./

This. What the feck was he thinking there. He should thank his luck for VAR. He fell down like he was shot by someone in the crowd

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Good game today.

 

[sewey89]

Agreed he was fairly decent at the back today. But I am starting to have another issue with him now and it's that how quiet he has been as a captain. Fecking hell, Roy Keane would never allowed player half arsedly go into challenges like today, would be all over anyone.

I understand he's lacking a bit of confidence all things considered this season but c'mon maybe you shouldn't be the captain we need. We need someone who hates losing, someone who will fecking hate to concede possession every single time, will demand perfection for the attacking play and pressing.

Sadly we don't have anyone and even though Harry is not a bad player, next manager will need to have a big call imho. This can't continue like this. Unless the new manager finds other way to motivate all the players to play at high level and intensity.

I do agree with that, I think the team is missing that as a whole though and those types of player aren’t as common as they were 20 years ago.

 

[sewey89]

Just wait for a team that goes at us and presses us and don't go missing when he fecks up. Maguire under pressure is a ticking time bomb

Ok. I find the desperation for him to play badly very bizarre.

 

[sullydnl]

Was fine.

 

[GifLord]

Ok. I find the desperation for him to play badly very bizarre.

Desperation? I want fecking world class players in this team not some pretenders who then have fans on here simping for them.

 

[Pickle85]

Fine today. Covered well a few times. This one isn't on him.

 

[Leftback99]

Good today. He'd have been blamed for their goal if he'd have played Varane's part (or lack of).

 

[united_99]

If he had played like Varane today the likes of @Andycoleno9 would be here in no time. I wonder if they are as quick to call out mistakes by other players. Well I already know the answer.

 

[V.O.]

General shitness of the game overall aside... Anybody have any idea why him and Varane swapped sides today?

Maguire was RCB with Varane LCB.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Because the defence did their job, maybe?

Missed a tackle where he was blocked by a fouled teammate? Christ. I’ve never known a player be examined every second as much as he is.

He played well.

RIght? Now they are even scapegoating him for goals that didn't count. Pathetic bunch we have. Maguire was contender for man of the match today. Imagine if it was him who didn't pick up iheanavho for their goal instead of Varane? TheCaf would be going into meltdown...

 

[SadlerMUFC]

General shitness of the game overall aside... Anybody have any idea why him and Varane swapped sides today?

Maguire was RCB with Varane LCB.

We don't have a natural left footed central defender so Maguire has been playing there. RCB would probably be his more natural position so my guess is they swapped to get him in his natural spot to help get his confidence back up.

 

[sewey89]

Desperation? I want fecking world class players in this team not some pretenders who then have fans on here simping for them.

give it a rest. I’ve been critical of him when he’s been poor, but I don’t see him as being as bad as people make out. Good player in poor form and hopefully today was a sign of him playing himself back into form

 

[The Corinthian]

Overall did well today, but not sure why he decided to go to ground moments before their disallowed goal? If he stays on his feet that would have been the chance over.

 

[Amarsdd]

If he had played like Varane today the likes of @Andycoleno9 would be here in no time. I wonder if they are as quick to call out mistakes by other players. Well I already know the answer.

Same. There were a good handful of times where I was thinking if that was Maguire instead of Varane, the caf would be going mad.