No he can’t because it’s a false argument. It’s easy to avoid the discussion & peddle pseudo football intellect.
I was going to mention Fellaini. For all the shit he got he was more useful. Maguire has been historically bad.
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I'm concerned it doesn't cross his mind to just allow McTominay to put the challenge in and he can try and mop up afterwards, instead he piles in at the same time leaving the backline hopelessly exposed. That space he creates allowed Weghorst the pass to Rodriguez.
He's slow and clumsy, yet he's our captain week in and week out and he doesn't seem to show an ounce of footballing IQ either.
I loathe the man.
He's slow and clumsy, yet he's our captain week in and week out and he doesn't seem to show an ounce of footballing IQ either.
I loathe the man.
That's exactly the problem, you don't spend 80m on a centre back and not be able to win games 1-0 it's bloody ridiculous.
His price tag does matter, because you don't spend 80m on an error prone defender and then take a huge loss and get rid.
We're stuck with him for the foreseeable and we're probably stuck with him starting for the foreseeable which means we're not going to be able to compete for any major trophy when we're leaking goals. Name me a club that wins the league and the UCL that can't win games 1-0 ?
So yes he is a major problem.
He may not be the only one but him, a MF and a CF are major problems and we have no chance challenging for anything without those three players.
Going after the pass was fine, it's their CF receiving the ball, it's exactly what you expect your CB to do.
After that it's a good turn by their CF and the collision doesn't help us. Maguire will be disappointed to be turned, as any defender would, but it's recoverable. Shaw is too deep, Dalot offers no cover.
We're talking about a game in which Cavani missed a sitter, Ronaldo was anonymous when he came on, Rashford was wasteful, McTominay offered nothing with the ball, Dalot's attacking output was zero, De Gea's kicking was awful and yet as usual, it's all Maguire's fault that we didn't win. Again, a half-mistake is blown up to be something far more than it actually is.
This should be a YouTube clickbait title — This is THE WORST hangover that you'll ever going to see.Rio: Maybe it's the hangover from the Euro's
Pundits still peddling with this shit
In all seriousness though it's a bit weird to hear that in February.
Indeed, happens all the time, remember when Neymar totally did him in the CL out on the left, he hasn’t learnt since then and how long ago was that?
Disagree with nearly everything you said.
I know who the manager is and as an interim, he's going to have to find a way of dropping the club captain and stripping him of his armband. Something that will no doubt be very difficult and will attract loads of media bullshit.
The decision by Ole to make him Captain in the manner he did is inexplicable.
If someone can name a worse United club captain I'd like to hear it...
Shaw and Varane didn’t cover themselves with glory at the goal, but the by far biggest fault is clearly Maguire’s who did everything wrong several times and also messed up the backline when Varane had to run across to cover for his first mistake.
Rio: Maybe it's the hangover from the Euro's
Pundits still peddling with this shit
Longest hangover known to man.
Shite.
Had a chance to score right at the end, but he closed his eyes and spooned it off his shoulder. How is he so prolific for England?
Had a chance to score right at the end, but he closed his eyes and spooned it off his shoulder. How is he so prolific for England?
The worst captain MUFC has ever had.
Both Jones and Evans are better than him, I cannot believe he starts, that he is the captain and that we paid 80 million dollars for him.
Both Jones and Evans are better than him, I cannot believe he starts, that he is the captain and that we paid 80 million dollars for him.
Well there's a shock...I don't expect anything other than total abject negativity to go down well on this forum nowadays.
Every player who plays for us is the worst player in their position in the league apparently
Because they play top 200 teams such as Albania, San Marino and Tajikistan.
Scoring a shite header against Liechtenstein where the opposition GK is a part time electrician? feckin' ave it. Knee slide ear cupping all the way down the pitch.
Why have all our players turned to shit this season?
Did much better last two seasons.
Does Covid have anything to do with it and why do we suffer more than most?
Did much better last two seasons.
Does Covid have anything to do with it and why do we suffer more than most?
No, it’s never fine. Hold your line and don’t get sucked in - it’s literally school boy stuff. I except a CB to be able to judge a situation but this is favourite past time of his — to go fecking walkabout.
I think it’s confidence, but no matter how much confidence in the team you can’t make up for some of Maguire’s reckless decisions it’s just in him.
He’s not terrible all the time mind but definitely has a knack of making rash decisions.
What do you mean "hold your line"? What does that mean? Genuinely don't understand.
They have conceded less goal than us!
Nobody can defend this clown anymore. He's not good enough and never will be.
I genuinely don't think he'd start for Burnley.
I genuinely don't think he'd start for Burnley.
There was next to no danger when a striker who can barely run received the ball 40 yards from our goal and outnumbered. Maguire somehow contrives to create a situation from there where Burnley are through on goal. He doesn’t even need to leave his defensive line. Weghorst is hardly going to turn and run past anyone. And McTominay was on him. Maguire creates a massive hole in the backline (not for the first time, did the same in Atalanta).
Are you being obtuse? If players don’t keep shape, as in 2 banks of 4 for instance, then it’s far easier for opposing teams to play through.
Exactly. I’m no defensive genius but how do people not get this? Centre backs get absolutely hammered for making mistakes like this at Sunday league level.
Did the same vs Liverpool earlier in the season and also last season. I can’t remember whether it was Leicester, Everton or Villa, in any case, he was playing at LCB and he got sucked in to the ball and by the time he got there, the opponent had already played the ball in where Maguire should have been. Goal for the other team.
It's football not foosball, you don't play in straight horizontal lines.
Maguire did exactly what you would expect your CB to do by going in with the CF. The aim is to keep them going away from goal, back into the body of players in midfield. You don't stand off them, because if you do, they can easily turn and run at the back four, get a shot in or pick an easy pass.
The key bit is it's the CF. Had he left the CF to go into a tackle in midfield, that's different.
The mistake was being turned, not going in. Even then, we're talking about one turn 35 yards from goal and there are still three other United defenders and a GK. If you hadn't seen the goal and had only seen the reaction on this forum, you'd think Maguire had dropped the biggest clanger in footballing history, not been briefly turned by a forward closer to the halfway line than the goal. Christ, it's the hyperbole and agendas that get me going every time.
I'm going to go against the perceived wisdom of this thread and say that Maguire wasn't 100% at fault for the goal. I think his lack of pace in his recovery run opened him up for some undeserved criticism. Read an interesting thread in twitter which highlighted that whilst Maguire made a mistake for the Burnley goal, the real issue was caused further up the pitch. It was one error after another which led to the goal.
Essentially, given the way United set up, and that we lack a screening midfielder, we have no player who sits deep enough to cut out opposition passes. Pogba and McTominay left too much space in the centre of the pitch which Burnley exploited. Weghorst dropped deeper and Maguire was forced to follow. Then he collided into McTominay who, rather than covering the area Maguire vacated, charges at Weghorst who was actually covered by Maguire.
Essentially, given the way United set up, and that we lack a screening midfielder, we have no player who sits deep enough to cut out opposition passes. Pogba and McTominay left too much space in the centre of the pitch which Burnley exploited. Weghorst dropped deeper and Maguire was forced to follow. Then he collided into McTominay who, rather than covering the area Maguire vacated, charges at Weghorst who was actually covered by Maguire.
Harry has no recovery pace. Once he's turned he's dead. This was not the first time it's happened. Won't be the last either. He's not suddenly going to become Usain Bolt. As long as we want to play proactive football, Maguire will always have moments where he gets exposed. Never seen a more obvious low block defender. £80m? FML.
You’re talking absolute fecking bollocks. Nonsense. Watch that goal again, it’s in the post match thread and tell me that’s what a defender should be doing — getting sucked into midfield, when there’s absolutely no danger. Again you’re talking nonsense. Everything you’ve just said there is a load of bollocks.
McTominay certainly doesn’t help tbh. You have a point that if McTominay doesn’t go, there wouldn’t have been any real danger.
That’s because we are in attack in the opposition box, McTominay does a good job to get back and is forcing Weghorst into the only obvious pass, which I’d 100% back Varane to snuff out. Then Maguire comes diving in for whatever reason, gets turned and Weghorst plays a beautiful pass , it was all so easy to defend with a bit of patience.
I watched this goal about 10 times now - frame by frame. If Maguire doesn’t go for that ball Weghorst has 5 United players that surround him with Rodriguez in the offside position. There was literally no fecking need to go for that tackle - zero need. 
In football terms it’s called “diving in” or “getting a rush of blood to the head”, every player is capable of it but with Maguire it’s more times than most.
Being in attack and then losing it is entirely the point. We have all midfielders forward as well as attackers so absolutely nobody is helping our defence. Weghorst is able to drop deep as there is nobody occupying the space 'beyween the lines' to cut off the pass.
Even though Maguire was turned, there's still a chance he can make a recovery, but McTominay is in the wrong area and collided into him. He should either have dropped deeper once Maguire pushed up, or he should always have been deeper to cut out the pass. Not some halfway home where he's always scrambling to get back.
Least likeable club captain in my lifetime as a United fan.
No you’re wrong, the only thing McTominay is guilty of is diving in when we were pressing the ball in attack, but he makes up the ground and is forcing the pass to Rodriguez, until the inevitable happens.
Will be interesting to see if Lindelof starts over Maguire on Sat.
You've seen the video in question where clearly McTominay is in the wrong. He's always in the wrong position, not covering either the defence nor Maguire when he has to step out. Yet you continue to insist that the latter is at fault.
If you can't accept that numerous errors, including those highlighted, led to the goal then fine. But it's not worth my time arguing.
Fecked us in Varane's goal, fecked us in Burnley's goal. Oh captain my captain.
Worst player on the pitch
Never disliked a player more than Harry.
Remember the days when people where complaining that Lindelof doesn't jump aggressively and always backs off his player in a 1 vs 1? Good times.
I think tonight is good of a show as any as to why he always does it.
I think tonight is good of a show as any as to why he always does it.
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