"Incredible every single time". Really, Declan? I seem to remember him getting sent off for two terrible fouls, right after he participated in fisticuffs in Greece.
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"Incredible every single time". Really, Declan? I seem to remember him getting sent off for two terrible fouls, right after he participated in fisticuffs in Greece.
Booing is because of those countless unoriginal youtube videos that adds the same generic martin tyler quotes to it, to pinpoint his mistakes. Same with Lingard, Jones, etc.
Easy to jump on the bandwagon
Easy to jump on the bandwagon
You get posts like this and then people still try to claim there's no agenda.
That doesn't mean a player can't make mistakes. You can remember 1 game for England he has been poor in 3 years.
That's because you're looking for them in the cesspit of twitter, you can't use that for evidence of anything other than the quality of twitter.
You'll find equivalent for any player in bad form.
The look on Hendersons face
It all went a little too fast for poor Harry
Can't even do "one touch" properly in training ...
"I aM lOoKiNg On TwItTer"
You’re right. Agendas should be saved for our goalkeeper. It’s his fault Maguire has been shite after all.
I don't mind admitting I have an agenda - I don't think he is a good player, or that he should be captain for United.
The only reason I brought up that game is because that is the one England game I actually watched (besides a couple of Euro games).
It happens to our players routinely and they get turned into 'Public Enemy No.1' through no fault of their own.
It's just brainwashed behavior pure and simple. Harry Maguire's only crime is the club whom he plays for.
It's just brainwashed behavior pure and simple. Harry Maguire's only crime is the club whom he plays for.
Honestly dont get why you'd boo one of your own players for a national team? It's not like he committed a crime, he's just out of form, really pathetic to boo him. Even more so when he plays for England he does well.
Difference is I'll be more than happy to accept when De Gea plays well, so it's not so much an agenda as a critique of a position that I know and understand. That said, the idea that Maguire has been constantly at fault for goals while De Gea is going to pick up the player of the season award despite easily being at fault for more goals is beyond comical.
So you've watched one game and can claim he is not good enough, but a player who has played with him for numerous games claims he has been solid is wrong?
Who makes this stuff?
Yep, you’re the rational one without agenda.
Count them then, if you can.
I've watched him probably +100 times - just only a handful of times in an England shirt. So I don't think it's unfair for me to judge him as not being good enough for United.
To be clear, I am not taking a position on the booing or whether or not he should play for England. I was just pointing out that Maguire has clearly not been "incredible every single game" for England as Declan says.
Right back at you. Everybody is wrong but you.
I've several times listed about 10-12 goals DDG was at least partially at fault for across a period of about 2 months between October and December, if you want to find a period of time where Maguire is at fault for more goals then crack on. It's hardly a shock that a goalkeeper is likely to be at least partially at fault for more goals than one defender given there is one of him and four of them so there are multiple moving parts. It's not even as if I've offered any kind of defence for Maguire's season, he's been shite. But has he been at fault for as many goals (either partially or directly) as the goalkeeper? Of course he hasn't.
And I already have done that. Leicester and Liverpool. It would be more had his keeper not bailed him out countless times. Maguire has been partially at fault for most of the goals we’ve conceded this season. Look no further than his last game where he finds himself in no man’s land, leaving our right back trying to mark three players while Maguire watches on in his usual bewilderment.
I’m not going to go through your posts to find your examples. I’m going to guess one was the Burnley goal for staying on his line. Of course with that we have to look at Maguire getting turned inside out by a human giant.
There’s a reason why Maguire has become a meme while De Gea hasn’t. Despite the latter being far from perfect.
It's the story of our squad since 2013, really. De Gea racks up individual accolades whilst permeating a sense of unease throughout the back line. There's only been one constant all those years...
Why did you look at him funny during training then Hendo?
'Support' of this nature will only result in more stick. Deservedly so of course.
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Huh? That’s an excellent post from Henderson. Exactly what I’d expect to see from a teammate in a team with a good bond.
Huh? That’s an excellent post from Henderson. Exactly what I’d expect to see from a teammate in a team with a good bond.
Our last game where De Gea made no attempt whatsoever to a) come and catch an unopposed ball floated into the 6 yard box or b) stop a pretty simple header?
Leicester and Liverpool were both games where De Gea was at least partially at fault for at least as many, if not more, goals than Maguire though.
To run through the goals.
Leicester; first goal, both at fault (larger error is Maguire), second goal, both at fault (larger error is De Gea), third goal is harsh to blame either, maybe Maguire if we are being hyper critical but if he doesn't drop in he gets criticised for being out of position so he can't really win there, fourth goal they are both at fault (with the larger error being De Gea).
Liverpool; first goal, De Gea pathetic goalkeeping, second goal, De Gea (not sure how Maguire ended up taking the blame for Luke Shaw rugby tackling him and in reality a proactive goalkeeper drops on the ball into the 6 yard box), third goal isn't great from either of them, fourth goal, both at fault (larger error is De Gea at his near post), fifth goal is poor from both of them but again, cowardly goalkeeping showing Salah exactly where to put the ball to score. The real villain of the piece with Liverpool was Luke Shaw being badly at fault for all 5 goals but somehow the narrative shifted to Maguire.
And no, surprisingly I did not count the game against Burnley on account of February not being in between October and December.
He is sticking up for his team mate as Rice and others have done and I think they genuinely believe what they are saying and they are infinitely better placed than us to pass judgement.
In much the same way, as fans we should support whoever is wearing the jersey. In what way can booing possibly help the player or the team?
It's a fair debate to have on the forum but when they are on the pitch let's get behind them.
"What have we become?"
So melodramatic!Drunk football fans booing an average player is hardly reason for introspection on a national level.
It won't be changing any minds put it that way. Someone commented that the recent positive PR used to defend Rashford is likely to only make things worse for him. It'll be the same in this instance for Maguire.
I’m not sure I like this new found ‘friends’ environment at England between rival club players.
Can’t help but recall the adage:
“It’s not the punches to the head that make the fighter soft, it’s the pats on the back.”
This moron thinks Maguire is better than Varane. He isn't even as good as Lindelof. Another golden generation down the drain because of another clueless cnut in charge.
"What have we become?"
Drunk football fans booing an average player is hardly reason for introspection on a national level.
You gotta be a special kind of 'drunk fan' to be pissed before kick off.
Its very simple: Can you behave like a decent person?
If you cant, congratulations, you are whatever you are. Pathetic.
If you cant, congratulations, you are whatever you are. Pathetic.
By them do you mean United and England players?
Either way I loath the England football team and Maguire regardless of whichever shirt he is wearing along with the majority of the current United squad.
Isnt it established already that drunk England fans are very much a special kind?
He obviously is just saying that because Maguire is part of his team and he wants to make Maguire feel good. He was a defender himself and is not totally clueless. Im sure he knows Maguire is not the best defender at Manchester United. Especially this season...
"We need Maguire playing well if we're going to have a chance of doing well this summer."
Someone should tell him, that the World Cup starts in November.
And they say debate on the caf is dead.....state of this presumably you're a grown ass man
You should have stopped at this
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