Sadly, law enforcement in the US typically cite whatever tragedy occurred due to someone being careless with firearms as punishment enough. Maybe I'm wrong about that but that's my perception at least.
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Sadly, law enforcement in the US typically cite whatever tragedy occurred due to someone being careless with firearms as punishment enough. Maybe I'm wrong about that but that's my perception at least.
I saw this on the news this morning. Stupid feckin bitch. Some of her comments on FB (because she's a gun rights advocate) and runs a page on FB called "Gun Sense" have been appalling so this happening is the true definition of irony.
Two of her best (worst) comments were.
"My right to protect my child with my gun trumps your fear of my gun."
And
"Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22."
I think that just about says it all.
Two of her best (worst) comments were.
"My right to protect my child with my gun trumps your fear of my gun."
And
"Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22."
I think that just about says it all.
It's a shame he didn't shoot her in the uterus. We don't really need people like that breeding 
I wasn't even thinking as a punishment... Just as a child safety issue as being in an environment with accessible loaded guns just can not be safe for the child
Quite.
Evidently he likes shooting the .45, too.
But 
Here's an interesting article to read, and an interesting statistic for all the gun nuts.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
Here's an interesting article to read, and an interesting statistic for all the gun nuts.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
Saw it, but didn't need to read it. Safe and/or ,at the very least, responsible storage would save a minimum of 600 American lives every year by my own completely unscientific guesstimates.
http://ktla.com/2016/03/13/hatchet-wielding-masked-man-killed-by-7-eleven-customer-in-seattle-area/
On the next link is a video of a robber been shot, that was too danger for the customer to stop the robber since was another guy with a rifle/shotgun by the entrance but luckily only the robber got shot and killed.
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article56498303.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...cealed-carry-shooting-met-20151102-story.html
On the next link is a video of a robber been shot, that was too danger for the customer to stop the robber since was another guy with a rifle/shotgun by the entrance but luckily only the robber got shot and killed.
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article56498303.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...cealed-carry-shooting-met-20151102-story.html
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Which leave the other 98% of gun deaths.
See, to me this reads like you don't care about saving lives, which I know can't be true. The numbers that I proposed would be related to accidental shootings, which are usually the most tragic ones because they often involve small children. Responsible storage would also thwart a number of suicides, which make up the majority of gun deaths in the US.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
So, the Yanks could feasibly reduce gun deaths by as much as 62%, all without infringing on Second Amendment rights.
I'd vote for you mate.
Cheers, mate. Some statistics to back up the point:
In 1995 Canada passed The Firearms Act, which included regulations governing the storage of firearms and stringent licensing requirements. These two pieces of data indicate that mandating responsible storage by law can and will reduce suicide by firearm.
I care about all death including gun suicides, accidental shootings and indeed all gun deaths. Safe storage law enforcement only does a very small amount to save lives. Whatever a law change is it needs to be major in nature to result in large scale life saving - all available data supports this. Australia's gun restrictions post Port Arthur nearly halved gun deaths over about a decade and lets not forget that this was a long long way from a gun ban. And we had 11 gun massacres in the decade before the law change and none in the decade after.
the other consistent message in data is that the greater the proportion of gun ownership the greater the rate (not number) of gun deaths - more guns on top of guns has a compounding effect. And feck they second amendment. It is really stupid and interpreted even more stupidly. They have changed/added amendments before to do things like get rid of prohibition and slavery so they can change it again. They won't of course. Some fictional "freedom" is obviously more important than 31,000 gun deaths each year. If the US had the UK's gun death rate there would be less than 1000 death p.a.
People like lots of things that governments restrict or ban for our own good and guns come into this category especially as they have no purpose other than to kill. Recreation target shooting is an irrelevance that could be achieved with almost harmless airguns if it is indeed the sport that is important. If my hobby killed 31,000 people a year I'd give it up in a flash.
All fine points but you know as well as I do that the methods used in Australia and England just won't fly in the US. This is why I make the arguments that I do. They're feasible methods that will reduce deaths and are hard for gun rights activists to argue against. The alternative is do nothing (as we know serious gun control is a long way out in the US) and watch 30,000 people die rather needlessly every year.
And you know each step saves lives and might start help bringing people around to the idea of sane gun laws.
That's the hope...at the very least get everyone to stop being so cavalier with those things.
Keyword right there.
It's one of the most daunting aspects of the challenge for America. How to instill a notion of one's responsibility to their community in a society that is primarily focused on individualism. Bringing in universal healthcare might be a start.
The illusion that Americans acheive stuff without anybody else's help is the problem.
I'm not certain if you're criticising my post or not. It's no illusion that America is an individualistic society. That doesn't mean that people don't help each other ever or that achievements occur with no outside assistance.
It's a me first society and there's nothing wrong with that, but when it comes to things like guns, driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, street racing or any activity that could endanger others through individual recklessness, society and the individuals that comprise it, need to realize that their actions can affect others, sometimes very negatively and alter their behaviours accordingly.
Of course, it's possible that you're saying the Yanks should look at how nother countries have approached the problem and use those experiences to devise a workable solution from there. Or something.
I don't know why I was dreaming about gun control yesterday, but I dreamt up this solution.
Why not take all restrictions away from purchasing guns and ammos, and let NRA manage storage and shooting ranges? Nobody is interfering your second amendment rights, you can buy as much as gun and ammo as you want to, you can shoot as much as you like on shooting ranges, storage and dispensation will be left to the NRA so in case they want to fight against government, they can and it removes all guns from the streets. Yes, in the beginning, criminals will still have access to illegal firearms, but they can be controlled? I believe we'll see a massive reduction on police killings as well because not everybody will have a firearm concealed within them.
Of course, this could all be just a dream inside my head
Why not take all restrictions away from purchasing guns and ammos, and let NRA manage storage and shooting ranges? Nobody is interfering your second amendment rights, you can buy as much as gun and ammo as you want to, you can shoot as much as you like on shooting ranges, storage and dispensation will be left to the NRA so in case they want to fight against government, they can and it removes all guns from the streets. Yes, in the beginning, criminals will still have access to illegal firearms, but they can be controlled? I believe we'll see a massive reduction on police killings as well because not everybody will have a firearm concealed within them.
Of course, this could all be just a dream inside my head
The standard counter argument is that centralized storage offers one stop shopping for armed criminal gangs.
Additionally, having a gun for self defence is a legitimate purpose in America so to require centralized storage would be a violation of one's right to security of the person.
A further problem with your plan that relates to my first point is that removing all restrictions would presumably allow fully automatic/select fire weapons to be purchased, likely resulting in more military grade firearms and unadulterated carnage on the streets of America.
I thought the original purpose of the second amendment was not the right to security of an individual but the ability to organize a paramilitary force against a totalitarian government, and the issues raising out of fully automatic weapons would be balanced by the fact that the access is greatly limited on the streets.
I agree that the first counter will be the biggest roadblock. We all know it's never going to happen, but there needs to be a solution somehow.
I do agree that there could be common sense solutions at least in the short term without having to take everyone's guns away that can at least tackle the gun issues. NRA's policy of unfettered, unrestricted gun access just has to stop.
Hadn't mentioned the 2nd in relation to my second point. It's not related, really, but occasionally, certainly with CCW, one's purpose in acquiring a firearm must be noted, hence the legitimate use comment.
The issue about full autos getting out is based on the notion that more would be acquired in an environment with no restrictions and that some storage centres would be burglarized. Current controls on full auto weaponry in the US are functioning well, removing them seems counter intuitive.
Got it. The only reason I suggested to remove fully automatic weapons to free access is to provide a candy to the NRA
Got it. The only reason I suggested to remove fully automatic weapons to free access is to provide a candy to the NRA
The NRA Rewrites Fairytales
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/24/nra-fairytales-include-firearms
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/24/nra-fairytales-include-firearms
It's not even funny anymore, I find it extremely sad and upsetting. After all the stories of kids shooting their parents recently they should be ashamed, but as long as they still make money or have their rights to own ridiculous guns, that's what's really important isn't it? I just feel sorry for the sane Americans that have to live and put up with the rest of the lunatics.
From the comments:
"You've never met the people who bedazzle and bead our spangled jackets, you sons of bitches"
Dumbass attempts to shoot up his lawn mower filled with explosives with predictable result....Shrapnel from explosion results in one of his legs being sliced off
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d=pm_national_pop_b&wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202
Link to video is provided within the article...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d=pm_national_pop_b&wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202
Link to video is provided within the article...
That must be because....
NRA President to 'Elite' Media: 'In all of The World, Some of the Smartest Citizens Are American Gun Owners'
http://newsbusters.org/video/nra-pr...ome-smartest-citizens-are-american-gun-owners
These fecking people! Unbelievable. But what the feck? Tannerite? Basically a bomb designed to be used with a gun. Ahh but it's your right isn't it?
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Here's a short debate for those interested in the topic...
That's really old and has been posted here and discussed before. The title always pisses me off greatly though, because no matter how smug, arrogant and as much of a prick Piers Morgan is and can be, he is essentially right in what he is saying, and in no way did he get even the slightest bit "owned" in that interview. Shapiro is every bit as smug and arrogant as Morgan is and both of them have exceedingly punchable faces. The best outcome for that clip would be they both end up shooting each other in the head.
Morgan is actually right about owning an assault rifle only because you might one day need it to protect yourself from the government being completely absurd and ridiculous. As if the general population would stand a chance against missiles and drones, It's laughable. Anyway, that's not the point, Shapiro continues with the typical right wing bollocks that it's always "the left" that has an argument against guns when the vast majority of the American public, both right and left want change to the laws and he is really trying to defend the indefensible. There is so much wrong with what he says too, always blaming criminals or mentally ill people, it's a sickening diversion tactic used as an excuse just so people can make LOTS and LOTS of money while people continue to die while the NRA and gun manufacturers don't give a flying feck about any of that.
Yet again someone banging on about "their rights" when really they are speaking for themselves and not ever taking other peoples rights in to consideration. Just the same as the first amendment in the USA protects religious freedom but seemingly not when you are a Republican talking about Muslims at the moment. It's all a little bit sickening really.
I was going to post the same. I'm 8 minutes in and see no owning. Just two assholes. I do mainly agree with piers on this issue. However, the other guy has a point, and so far piers has deflected. Aren't most murders committed with hand guns? I understand every bit helps but hand guns must be addressed too, not just the military style high magazine count guns.
Yeah, he does have a point, but one step at a time, and assault rifles and large capacity magazines are usually at fault for the mass shootings which they were discussing at the time.But yeah, two giant assholes for sure.
I can't believe what I've just watched. This is why guns are legal in America, it's so stupid little horrible smug cnuts like him can get blown away by 3 year olds. It's natural selection. Never thought I'd root for piers Morgan in anything.
Shooting watermelons is fun
There you have it folks! Great answer 5/7 would read again.
This should make the world a safer place for us 'Muricans; a handgun that looks exactly like a cellphone...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...conceal_gun_that_looks_like_a_cell_phone.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...conceal_gun_that_looks_like_a_cell_phone.html