Gun control

Bury Red said:
Other than the Daily Heil and their sick right wing ilk I'm not sure where you're getting these statistics that it's predominantly muslim males that are committing these offences. There have been a number of high profile cases of gangs grooming and abusing young vulnerable girls in areas like Rochadale, Derby and Oxford but the fact is many of the gangs were mixed race with men of asian, african and caucasian heritage with only a relatively small number among them from Pakistan and Bangladesh where most UK muslims are likely to hail from. That the media has chosen to focus on a couple of predominantly south asian gangs shows their bias, not a statistical proof.

The police in the UK have said it is not a racially led crime but rather one of opportunity so whilst there is some statistical over emphasis on ethnic monority males committing these attacks the simple fact is that many of these gangs operate in the late night economy where you also find many of the most vulnerable young girls. The fact many taxi drivers, fast food restaurant workers etc are from ethnic minorities signifies their willingness to work in an attempt to fit in with society, that a small minority of them commit opportunist crimes due to the time they are working does not indicate a racial or religious motive and the media that attempt to portray it as such have their own rabble rousing right wing agenda. Many of the most serious serial killers and rapists have been truck drivers, that is not conclusive proof that Yorkies make you rapier.
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This has nothing to do with UK yet....

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/a-look-at-statistics-sweden-a-raped-country/
 
Just normal now isn't it, crazed gunman goes on mad killing spree in the land of the free. If everyone had a gun it wouldn't have happened, or there'd be a huge gunfight. Whatever, won't change, it's great for Telly.
Morons.
 
MoBeats said:
Just normal now isn't it, crazed gunman goes on mad killing spree in the land of the free. If everyone had a gun it wouldn't have happened, or there'd be a huge gunfight. Whatever, won't change, it's great for Telly.
Morons.
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Travesty
 
senorgregster said:
"Each of the kids had three to eight bullets in them," Barden said. "There is just something wrong if that can happen."
That jumped out. Must have been hard for them to say it.
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Piers Morgan said one of the officers at the scene told him, kids had bullet wounds the size of golf balls.
 
It's ok, Iowa has this sorted. Or maybe not...................

IOWA approves bill to let children aged 14 and under have handguns.

  • Controversial law would let kids handle a pistol, revolver or ammunition
  • Would be able to use the weapon under parental supervision
  • Opponents claim it is 'ridiculous' and will create a 'militia of toddlers'
  • But supporters say it's a parental rights issue and backs gun safety
  • Current Iowa law allows children to pick up rifles and shotguns
  • Bill has been passed in the state's House and now moves to the Senate


Iowa politicians have passed a controversial bill that would allow children of all ages to use a handgun. The measure passed by state's House of Representatives on Tuesday would allow children 14 or younger to handle a pistol, revolver or the ammunition under parental supervision. It was voted through on a 62-36 majority and now heads to the Senate for approval. Opponents have said the proposal is 'ridiculous' while one has claimed it could lead to a 'militia of toddlers'.
But the bill's supporters insist it is an issue of parental rights and, if passed, would eradicate an 'injustice in Iowa code'.

Current Iowa law means children can pick up shotguns and rifles, under parental supervision, however old they are. However, if someone under the age of 14 is seen using a pistol, even if their mother and father are keeping an eye on them, it's a felony. The bill's backer, Rep. Jake Highfill, told the Washington Post 'Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do.' He added that it gives power back to parents and is better than the alternative, which is turning 18 and having no experience with firearms. However Rep. Kirsten Running-Marquardt (D) said: 'What this bill does, the bill before us, allows for 1-year-olds, 2-year-olds, 3-year-olds, 4-year-olds to operate handguns,' according to KCCI.

'We do not need a militia of toddlers.' She also questioned whether there were any handguns in circulation that fit the hand of a one or two year old. Rep. Abby Finkenauer (D) said: 'Logically, this bill is completely ridiculous.' Natalie and Meredith Gibson told KCCI they have been shooting guns with their father since they were five. The girls said they like shooting a pistol with their father, and it's only dangerous if it's handled wrong. Nathan Gibson, who has been lobbying the legislature to change the gun law for years, says: 'It's about handgun safety. My daughter started learning at a young age how dangerous it can be.'
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I saw this being discussed on telly the other night and apparently the reason it was brought in (although not mentioned above by the Daily Mail) is because currently the law has NO RESTRICTIONS for rifles or shotguns, so in theory, a 2 year old can legally handle/fire a shotgun or rifle, but not a handgun. Iowa Republicans found this ludicrous and unbalanced so they decided to even things up.

Most people with any common sense would have thought to change the shotgun and rifle law, but no, obviously not, after all, this is America.







 
Eboue said:
Children learn how to shoot rifles. I suggest many of you don't understand it living in a largely urbanized society but it's not a problem.
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I understand completely that children learn to shoot rifles, obviously living in an extremely rural area of the country surrounded by farms and large estates where many people own guns or like to shoot be it rabbits, pheasants, deer, grouse, pigeons, etc. I also understand that teenagers will often use shotguns as well when they are big enough to handle them, but that's completely different than handguns, and as far as i'm aware farmers don't use them and have no need to use them, they certainly don't here. My point about changing the law the opposite way didn't mean banning them or the use of them by children outright, but surely a more sensible idea could have been found. After all, this law states AT ANY AGE. You really don't need to be teaching kids to use guns when they are 2 or 3 and also small kids aren't really big enough to use rifles or shotguns. I know and understand Iowa is a mainly rural state with an abundance of countryside and farmland/hunting areas, but even so having no age restrictions at all is still daft imho and it's not like the whole state is devoid of urban areas with no towns and cities at all.
 
barros said:
"Mr Hamilton was an active duty army staff sergeant assigned to the Joint Staff Support Centre at the Pentagon" what gun control has to do with this guy?
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At the time i wanted to post the story in an existing thread, it either had to be in here or the American Cops Doing What They Do Best one. Maybe not the best call i hindsight but there we are.
 
barros said:
Looks like he wasn't deployed anywhere so PTSD is not the case but some say he was a colonel but they call him a sergeant - demotion?
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You don't have to be deployed to have PTSD, although, yes, looks like it wasn't the case here.

I do know someone who has PTSD and bought guns as well as bows at will btw.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
You don't have to be deployed to have PTSD, although, yes, looks like it wasn't the case here.

I do know someone who has PTSD and bought guns as well as bows at will btw.
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Just wondering what our original basis of assuming PTSD was based on? Since to have PTSD you do not have to be deployed someplace but you do have to have some sort of traumatic stress event.
 
It's not funny but feck me I guffawed when I read it.

Pro-gun poster girl is shot in the back by her four-year-old son while driving in Florida after the boy found her pistol on back seat of truck

A high-profile pro-gun activist was rushed to hospital after she was shot in the back by her four-year-old son after he found her pistol lying on the back seat of her truck.

Jamie Gilt, 31, who posts about firearms on her social media accounts was driving through Putnam County, Jacksonville, Florida yesterday in her truck when she was wounded.

Her four-year-old son picked up a loaded .45 semi-automatic handgun from the back seat, pointed it towards his mother and pulled the trigger. The powerful round went through the front seat and passed through Gilt's body .



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That's the whole problem with American gun culture, Grinns. There is an almost complete disregard for common sense safe practices with firearms. Frankly, she deserved it.
 
FFS, Cruz won't win the election if he loses too many votes to accidental gun deaths.
 
Don't feel sorry for her at all, but I do feel bad for the kid. If his mother dies, he's gonna be scarred for life.
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
That's the whole problem with American gun culture, Grinns. There is an almost complete disregard for common sense safe practices with firearms. Frankly, she deserved it.
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A huge issue (though not the only one) with our gun laws is that there is not enough push to make people responsible for the safety of their fire arms. Back when we had those two escaped convicts in NY State they interviewed this one woman in her yard, with her kids running around going in and out of the house, and she talked about how she currently had her gun sitting on her kitchen table for safety. I doubt she would have understood if anyone had explained the issue to her, she probably would not even have understood if one of her kids had gotten ahold of the gun and it went off.
 
JustAFan said:
A huge issue (though not the only one) with our gun laws is that there is not enough push to make people responsible for the safety of their fire arms. Back when we had those two escaped convicts in NY State they interviewed this one woman in her yard, with her kids running around going in and out of the house, and she talked about how she currently had her gun sitting on her kitchen table for safety. I doubt she would have understood if anyone had explained the issue to her, she probably would not even have understood if one of her kids had gotten ahold of the gun and it went off.
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You nailed it with that one, mate. Another fine example of how stupid people can be with guns.
 
5 dead in Pittsburgh. They were just having a BBQ out back...

The partygoers tried running into the house, but the second suspect nearby fired at them on the back porch, police said. That shooting killed three women and a man.
A fourth woman died in a hospital. Two men remain in critical condition, and one woman is in stable condition, police said.
The suspects fled on foot, police said, and have not been captured or identified.
 
Tommy said:
5 dead in Pittsburgh. They were just having a BBQ out back...

The partygoers tried running into the house, but the second suspect nearby fired at them on the back porch, police said. That shooting killed three women and a man.
A fourth woman died in a hospital. Two men remain in critical condition, and one woman is in stable condition, police said.
The suspects fled on foot, police said, and have not been captured or identified.
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Sounds like a gang job.
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
That's the whole problem with American gun culture, Grinns. There is an almost complete disregard for common sense safe practices with firearms. Frankly, she deserved it.
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The only thing that could have stopped this, was a good 4 year old with a gun.
 
Nucks said:
The only thing that could have stopped this, was a good 4 year old with a gun.
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A good 4 year old wouldn't have:

a) handled the gun without ensuring it was 'safe' immediately (i.e. clear the chamber, remove the magazine, etc.)
b) pointed the gun at his mom if he didn't intend to shoot her in the first place
c) fired the gun without being sure of his target and beyond

So you do make a fair point.
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
A good 4 year old wouldn't have:

a) handled the gun without ensuring it was 'safe' immediately (i.e. clear the chamber, remove the magazine, etc.)
b) pointed the gun at his mom if he didn't intend to shoot her in the first place
c) fired the gun without being sure of his target and beyond

So you do make a fair point.
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Was his name Stewie?
 
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