Gun control

VeevaVee said:
Talking about guns on Reddit. Some guy throwing the cliche overthrowing the government tripe as justification for all the guns and all the deaths. I asked what the plan is and he said 'guerilla warfare'.

America is just the embarrassing idiot uncle of the world at this point.
Love the place and people for many reasons but it's isolationism and delusions of grandeur have turned it into Loopyville.
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I agree and I live here.
 
coolredwine said:
Another case today in Maryland.
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This is close to me. I have friends with family that works there. The county where this happened has had 3 shootings in as many years. Today, last year at a tile store, and a restaurant a few years ago where a sheriff was killed. This is close to Baltimore and is where the thug shooter was from. She worked there and apparently used her registered 9mm glock.

My question is, why does a drug distribution warehouse not have tighter security? You think it would be a target for robberies.
 
VeevaVee said:
Talking about guns on Reddit. Some guy throwing the cliche overthrowing the government tripe as justification for all the guns and all the deaths. I asked what the plan is and he said 'guerilla warfare'.

America is just the embarrassing idiot uncle of the world at this point.
Love the place and people for many reasons but it's isolationism and delusions of grandeur have turned it into Loopyville.
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I wonder if he realizes that in the history of modern warfare, no militia based force that I am aware of, has ever actually won a "guerilla" war on their own. In every case where insurgents ultimately ended up on the winning side, there was a professional, regular military force that operated in concert with the irregular forces that ultimately broke the back of the enemy and carried the victory. In EVERY.SINGLE.ONE that I can think of.

A civil war between government forces and militias in the USA would look nothing like a Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or a US occupation of Afghanistan/Iraq, where "victory" for the defenders was waiting, and dying, long enough for the occupiers to reach political agreements and decide to stop killing you and instead go home.
 
Nucks said:
I wonder if he realizes that in the history of modern warfare, no militia based force that I am aware of, has ever actually won a "guerilla" war on their own. In every case where insurgents ultimately ended up on the winning side, there was a professional, regular military force that operated in concert with the irregular forces that ultimately broke the back of the enemy and carried the victory. In EVERY.SINGLE.ONE that I can think of.

A civil war between government forces and militias in the USA would look nothing like a Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or a US occupation of Afghanistan/Iraq, where "victory" for the defenders was waiting, and dying, long enough for the occupiers to reach political agreements and decide to stop killing you and instead go home.
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If I remember right he said 'it worked ok in Vietnam'.
 
Danny_ said:
Why? Obama did nothing for gun control either. Nobody can - it's political suicide.
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The video of him the post before. I miss him mainly because it's better than what's there now and because he's a switched on guy with a good aura. Not because of anything to do with gun control, other than what he says there.
 
VeevaVee said:
The video of him the post before. I miss him mainly because it's better than what's there now and because he's a switched on guy with a good aura. Not because of anything to do with gun control, other than what he says there.
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Yes, all empty words and gustures. No substance. It's comforting though, right!
 
Danny_ said:
Yes, all empty words and gustures. No substance. It's comforting though, right!
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Like you say, it's impossible to do much of substance at the moment, and especially while he was in power. He can influence though.
 
VeevaVee said:
If I remember right he said 'it worked ok in Vietnam'.
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He must have ignored the offensives of 68, 70 and 72 by the NVA that inflicted heavy losses on the US military which fuelled anti-war sentiment in the US that lead to the Paris agreement, also the fact that the funding of the SVLF to sustain their guerilla effort came primarily from the North, which in turns was funded by the USSR and PRC.

He is also probably ignorant of the fact that George Washington repeatedly bemoaned the poor discipline and even cowardice of local militias in the American Revolutionary War. In fact, aside from from the initial confrontation at Concord, MA, it's hard to think of a single instance when the militias did decently against the British.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
He must have ignored the offensives of 68, 70 and 72 by the NVA that inflicted heavy losses on the US military which fuelled anti-war sentiment in the US that lead to the Paris agreement, also the fact that the funding of the SVLF to sustain their guerilla effort came primarily from the North, which in turns was funded by the USSR and PRC.

He is also probably ignorant of the fact that George Washington repeatedly bemoaned the poor discipline and even cowardice of local militias in the American Revolutionary War. In fact, aside from from the initial confrontation at Concord, MA, it's hard to think of a single instance when the militias did decently against the British.
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I wasn't clued up enough to get into it, but I knew being a gun nut he'd be ignoring a lot of information.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
He must have ignored the offensives of 68, 70 and 72 by the NVA that inflicted heavy losses on the US military which fuelled anti-war sentiment in the US that lead to the Paris agreement, also the fact that the funding of the SVLF to sustain their guerilla effort came primarily from the North, which in turns was funded by the USSR and PRC.

He is also probably ignorant of the fact that George Washington repeatedly bemoaned the poor discipline and even cowardice of local militias in the American Revolutionary War. In fact, aside from from the initial confrontation at Concord, MA, it's hard to think of a single instance when the militias did decently against the British.
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Yes, people don't realise that there Vietnam had a decent air force (defensive, mostly, but still) and disciplined regular army, the US was facing not just farmers with rifles but air defence systems, Mig21s, and above all an organised military.

Also 3-4 million people died (10% of the population), so I'm sure our reddit hero is ok with that type of victory (35 million deaths)
 
One of the common retorts to gun control making the country safer is that criminals use guns that aren't legal, and will get hold of them anyway.

Watching a Vice doc on gun smuggling in the US here. No surprise that the majority of the guns start off legal. They're either obtained legally at gunshows before moving in to the black market, bought privately in states where no checks are needed then moved to a different state, or stolen from places that are selling them legally.
 
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Just when you think the stats about gun crime in the states can't get any more damning...
incidents categorized as road rage — broadly, where someone in a car brandished a gun in a threatening manner or fired a gun at another driver or passenger — have more than doubled in the last three years, from 247 in 2014 to 620 in 2016.

All told, there were at least 1,319 road rage episodes involving firearms over that span. Nationwide, at least 354 people were wounded and 136 people were killed.

This total represents just those cases serious enough that police were called, or a news outlet published a story.
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VeevaVee said:
If I remember right he said 'it worked ok in Vietnam'.
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The Vietcong didn't win that war. The regular North Vietnamese Army won the war. The Vietcong assisted, and were part of the strategy, but were almost entirely wiped out after Tet. I'm not saying you don't know this, I'm just retorting to what that guy said. In the end, the US and North Vietnamese government came to an agreement, where the US agreed to stop killing them, and left. Then the NVA swept down and overran the country a few months. Insurgents can typically keep fighting at a low intensity, but they haven't had the ability to win a war on their own for a very, very long time. Even in the cases where insurgencies outlast an occupation, they typically only do so, when they have third party support from another national actor.

I'd echo the sentiments of another poster who brought up the US independence war. Washington HATED, no, hated isn't strong enough, he absolutely despised the militias. He threatened to cut them down, himself in one battle, where they were blocking the post road retreating, and delaying the continental army from using the post road to advance towards the enemy. The regular army hated them too, and so did the British. They ran, or surrendered, in almost every single major military engagement of the entire war.

Following the Tet offensive, the Vietcong, were essentially wiped out. They never recovered from the losses they took at Tet, and following Tet, the Vietcong played an even more minor role in the war. The NVA had to pick up the irregular duties that the Vietcong could no longer carry out due to the collapse of their military forces, and political leadership. Tet was so disastrous for the NVA and VC, that Giap had to essentially reset the entire war. In classic guerrilla warfare, there are 3-4 stages. Stage 1, retreat to a safe base of operations to gather strength (materiel and personnel). Stage 2, carry out low intensity attacks against government military/institutions/infrastructure. Stage 3, engage government forces in a conventional military operation to defeat the government and seize control. If you fail at any stage, reset to stage 1, and start again. Tet represented stage 3, and it broke the VC, and resulted in an enormous setback for the NVA. Only the NVA, a national actor, was able to carry on and recover.
 
Arizona boy, 11, kills grandmother before killing self after being asked to clean room

True story....
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/05/us/arizona-boy-11-grandmother-shot/index.html
https://www.foxnews.com/us/arizona-...de-after-being-asked-to-clean-room-police-say

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America is a sick country. When solutions that are clear are available, they insist on going the other route.
In every other country there are kids that go mad when told to clean their rooms but those kids don't have access to guns.
 
Saw this on reddit earlier. Saw the thread, so here you go.

"Friend from high school got his first gun today"
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My wife got a 3 year old gun shot victim today. Self inflicted. I’ve only ever seen her break down one other time when she got home. It was awful.
 
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