Most reports state this expired last summer.
Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.
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Most reports state this expired last summer.
That'd be okay. Get a penalty fee and then get Nice to buy him for £80m.
Don't think he has many suitors so can be an option if he wants to return to England.
Well this came out of fecking nowhere. Shame.
Yes please. Though the cynic in me says that we sit Amad down in the summer and say ‘have we got the role for you my friend!’
Pleased with this.
We don't need an 18 year old just getting their career going. It's too young.
We also don't need a left footed RWB.
Both of the above would just be complications. I'm hoping this is a sign we'e going down a more common sense route.
We don't need an 18 year old just getting their career going. It's too young.
We also don't need a left footed RWB.
Both of the above would just be complications. I'm hoping this is a sign we'e going down a more common sense route.
I won't claim to know the player very well but I'm not disappointed. Young players for those sorts of fee make me a bit nervous. Especially with what we need as a squad currently.
Our young punts should be along the lines of Heaven and Obi, at a max I'd say the sort of money we spent on Dorgu. This should only really change if there is a staggering sort of 18 year old Rooney level talent, then go all out.
Spending any more currently needs to be a little bit closer to a sure thing.
Our young punts should be along the lines of Heaven and Obi, at a max I'd say the sort of money we spent on Dorgu. This should only really change if there is a staggering sort of 18 year old Rooney level talent, then go all out.
Spending any more currently needs to be a little bit closer to a sure thing.
He is so, so gifted though, he also played rwb for Amorim at Sporting?
I think we've missed out on a massive talent.
Essugo similar to Caicedo, is that a fair assessment?
this kid is going to be very very good....real shame he's going there and makes you wonder about the the future of Reece James
Maresca said this last week...
"You can ask Reece, the day after I signed with Chelsea, I sent him a video about seeing him as a midfielder,' Maresca said.
'I see Reece as a midfielder, not just now but since day one. Before I met him for the first time, when he was on holiday, I sent him a clip of how he could play as a midfielder."
https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/a...een-reece-james-as-a-midfielder-since-day-one
I can't see him playing right back for Chelsea, he's a winger/wingback.
I do wonder if this will mean Sancho gets binned.
I do wonder if this will mean Sancho gets binned.
We're the masters of former managers not being able to convince their former players to join United.
No Gyokeres, no Quenda. We didn't get Haaland with Ole, and with ETH we got Antony for 80m instead of Kudus for cheap
No leverage whatsoever for any manger to get the best players at their own former clubs.
Essugo for that cheap hurts more imo
I would honestly say more like 5 or 6 but I rate Estevao pretty highly.
Yamal is just a different level. But even the next level down prospects like Estevao and Nwaneri already have final third composure and production, and that's just so impressive at this age. With a guy like Quenda, you've got a great talent package but he hasn't shown that ability to be a difference maker in the final third yet and you're really just hoping that he develops those qualities over time. Saka was kind of like that at this age and he just got better and better. But more often than not you get players like Hudson-Odoi or Oxlade-Chamberlain who also seem to have everything but the last action, and they never develop that end product or ability to slow the game down in the final third (although both did suffer big injuries that set back their careers).
Still processing this to be honest but glad it seems a fair deal for all parties. I've really enjoyed watching Quenda's ascent this year; his trajectory has been staggering.
Oh yeah, I don't think we are in a position to offer that any time soon...
I imagine Sporting snatched their hand off, especially with the loan back. Will ease the blow of losing other key players this summer.
That's a big fee for a full back.
He did play there for Sporting but why complicate a position.
A right footed player suits the RWB role. It's what suits the team.
No more square pegs round holes I say.
Yes.
Woah woah, that’s cherry-picking! I mean, ETH got body-slammed for signing so many ex-players, Licha, Antony, Onana, Maz, MDL (?).
We're the masters of former managers not being able to convince their former players to join United.
No Gyokeres, no Quenda. We didn't get Haaland with Ole, and with ETH we got Antony for 80m instead of Kudus for cheap
No leverage whatsoever for any manger to get the best players at their own former clubs.
The deal is very good for Sporting. Next year will be a rebuilding year.
We will lose Gyökeres for sure, Diomande will be gone as well and there's a big probability Inácio and Hjulmand will be transferred too.
I always wanted to keep Nuno Mendes a further year when we were champions because I thought he would be a key player for our objectives but PSG was too insistent and wanted him immediately. Sporting getting Quenda for another year is crucial for us. We will get alot of money but I don't know if the new DoF replacing Hugo Viana will be as good as him transfer wise so it's nice for us to retain some quality for our squad.
Being head Chelsea scout must be the easiest job in the world. Just waiting until reports come in that a player is close to joining another club then buy him right before. Not John Obi Mikel is it?
Ah maybe that's what happened I knew I remembered reading that Ratcliffe had paid some of it off.
Amad is perfect there.
But he suited the position in the same system under the same manager. He was also one of the teams best players.
I mean both Dorgu and Quenda are quite strong physically. We certainly don’t need a terrible attacking WB for “balance” or whatever.Ah you feckers
Can't say I'm not annoyed.
Anyway, I struggled to see the squad building vision if we signed Quenda. I think 3-4-3 with Dorgu (LWB) -- Bruno (CM) -- Ugarte (CM) -- Quenda (RWB) would be too attacking / lightweight. We need a RWB of the Dalot mould to balance things a bit on defence.
Quenda will probably be better than Dorgu and maybe even Amad eventually but it's all about building a squad of complementary players. Not signing good players just for the sake of it.
We shouldn't be spending huge transfer fee for young talent. Yoro is routed as the next great CB and I think his fee is reasonable. Agree to unearth talent before they start playing in Champion League. Once the player starts playing well then their fee will be triple. Follow Brighton path, find young cheap talent and give them time to develop. I prefer that we stick to getting Amad, Garnacho, Obi, Heaven and Yoro route. Hoijund, we definitely overpaid unless he starts scoring. Keep doing what we are doing, we will get there eventually.
Oh well. The latest data point in the "journos actually know feck all" file, which includes anything they know about Gyokores' future.
The reported fee and contract length I can agree looks prohibitive and though don’t agree, can understand the left footed rb comment.
There have been countless targets gone to Chelsea I would have liked us to sign the last few years and probably more often than not evidence that neither as an individual or a team these signings can guarantee success…..however in this case I disagree with you.
There are three players above others I would have liked us to have signed Desire Doue, Joao Neves and Quenda.
Like the other two he is just a teenager, still 17, but this isn’t a prospect, this is a player already playing at a good level and putting in quality performances, that has world star potential.
We bemoan losing out on players linked with like Camavinga for example….he was another I wanted us to sign and all I saw on here was “he I just a teenager with potential we need a proven player”…..no these are players with world class potential already better than the players we have and I put Quenda in the same category
I dunno. Not a super strong opinion but my understanding is that Amorim doesn't typically play two attacking wing backs. One of the two is more defensive and his role profile is basically Dalot (+ some crossing ability). The other (say Quenda or Amad) is basically an inverted winger in disguise as a wing back.
There are many ways I see this working:
- We sign Dibling instead. Fairly like for like.
- We persist with (Dalot / Maz) and (Dorgu / Amad) as wing backs. Pick one out of each group. Means Maz / Dalot playing at LWB which is pretty terrible overall.
- We sell Dalot and sign an Andy Robertson type fullback. Ait Nouri, Kerkez etc. are options. Dorgu becomes RWB permanently.
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They also have Andrey Santos and Ugochukwu on loan. It's an extremely ill-advised move for him, if it happens.
I was always wary about us buying players for Sporting especially for silly money. That would be automatically be pinned on the manager which will dictate his success or failure (ex Ole - Maguire/Sancho, ETH - Antony). The fact that he's 5ft8 doesn't really inspire me with confidence especially in an EPL that is becoming more physical and athletic by the hour.
However I couldn't help but notice United's spin throughout time. When the heat increased during the Woodward's admin, we hired a Sporting director who promised to deliver an army of data analysts. Turned out that it wasn't the case. Then we had the protests which lead to the Glazers promising a new stadium and better communication lines with the fans. Turned out that it was a farce as well. When INEOS came in, they hired a new sporting director only to fire him after few months which brings us back to square 1. Following the January window were we loaned half of our forward line information was leaked that Quenda was in the bag and now that protests intensified we've got photos of some new stadium who will be built in 5 years as long as the taxpayer put their share in it.
I repeat that I am not criticizing the club on this deal. The money surrounding the deal was just crazy. My point is that fans needs to smarten up. Words are cheap. Actions on the other hand.....
However I couldn't help but notice United's spin throughout time. When the heat increased during the Woodward's admin, we hired a Sporting director who promised to deliver an army of data analysts. Turned out that it wasn't the case. Then we had the protests which lead to the Glazers promising a new stadium and better communication lines with the fans. Turned out that it was a farce as well. When INEOS came in, they hired a new sporting director only to fire him after few months which brings us back to square 1. Following the January window were we loaned half of our forward line information was leaked that Quenda was in the bag and now that protests intensified we've got photos of some new stadium who will be built in 5 years as long as the taxpayer put their share in it.
I repeat that I am not criticizing the club on this deal. The money surrounding the deal was just crazy. My point is that fans needs to smarten up. Words are cheap. Actions on the other hand.....
Chance for us to get Lavia on loan? Could be a perfomance-based type of deal (if injured, costs less).
Conveniently ignoring the fact that Amorim himself thought a left footed RWB suited the role best in his own system.
Yeah, it's a really flawed take and one that smacks of someone who hasn't seen the kid.
I firmly believe we're looking at a player with genuine world class potential.
Not sure why Chelsea would be interested in that, unless they have concerns about his fitness, in which case we should have concerns, too.
I've never heard of a player having a medical half way through a season.
And when he's not even joining for 14 months.
And when he's not even joining for 14 months.